Guns. Can we improve responsibility?

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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    covered in bliss wrote:
    Before you worry about that, you have to change how easily someone can legally buy a gun over the internet without any background check or even paperwork. There was recently an under cover news story about it... scary stuff. Random Joe can buy a gun in the parking lot of a walmart. Absurd!


    No law can stop that.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    I'm contradicting myself somewhat. In my previous posts, I advocated for gun control to keep weapons out of the hands of people that should not access them. I'd be prepared to take it a step back though and exercise more 'people control' than gun control. Call me unlightened, but I tend to agree with (yes) Ted Nugent in this interview:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfxuYb2X ... re=related

    "I don't like repeat offenders. I like dead offenders!"

    Perhaps guns are a problem because we are too leniant on people that deserve little leniancy. If you cross the line, you've crossed the line. Our community was steamed that they released a child sex offender with over 40 convictions into our community. We received another from a neighbouring province who- when last arrested and convicted- had a list of co-eds, rope, duct tpae, and lime in his trunk. A guy in our neighbouring community killed his three kids and within a few months, was granted 'day leave' so that he could have coffee and go for a swim. WTF? These cases are merely the tip of the iceberg I'm afraid.

    The tail wags the dog in Canada. We're so concerned with the rights of the wicked, that we trample on the rights of the innocent.

    We spend countless dollars rehabilitating and incarcerating these types of deviants, yet we tell teachers and medical workers that we don't have enough money to keep them on pace with the rate of inflation or the rest of the country (Canada is HEAVILY taxed for those that do not know). I'm for my country reinvesting my tax dollars.

    Our filthy felons need to go away. And, once we've cleaned up the landscape and it becomes safer... we won't have to worry about 'gun control'!
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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    bennett13 wrote:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    No guns, no accidental shootings.

    It's really tough to legally own a gun in Canada and I like it this way.

    The world has evolved. The days are long gone when we need sidearms to shoot rattlesnakes.

    If you don't mind me asking...what do you shoot rattlesnakes with? :lol:

    We just whack them with our hockey sticks :lol:
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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Here in Canada we had a long gun registry. The government introduced legislation to get rid of the registry, and on Wednesday the government voted to get rid of it.
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    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • USARAY
    USARAY Posts: 517
    its real easy to buy an illegal gun bad stupid people will always be able to get a hold of a gun
    the smart ones are already responsible lawful and value life
  • covered in bliss
    covered in bliss chi-caw-go Posts: 1,332
    unsung wrote:
    covered in bliss wrote:
    Before you worry about that, you have to change how easily someone can legally buy a gun over the internet without any background check or even paperwork. There was recently an under cover news story about it... scary stuff. Random Joe can buy a gun in the parking lot of a walmart. Absurd!


    No law can stop that.

    I know illegal guns will always be available... damn, wish I could remember what news story it was! It featured a Canadian man that bought a gun off the internet, crossed the border to the US to pick it up and killed his ex-girlfriend. Then they showed (over and over) their undercover team buying guns from people in the parking lot of a wal-mart... guns purchased LEGALLY over the internet with no background check.

    Found an article: http://www.weau.com/home/headlines/ASSIGNMENT_13_Armed_and_dangerous_the_world_of_internet_gun_sales__139323983.html
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,249
    These accidental shotings can happen anywhere even in church...

    Pastor's daughter dies after accidental shooting in church
    A pastor's daughter who was shot in the head at a church in an apparent accident last weekend died this morning, Pinellas County deputies said.

    Hannah Kelley, 20, was shot at Grace Connection Church, 4017 56th Ave. N. in Lealman, while two men inspected a gun they thought was unloaded, according to the Pinellas County Sheriff's Office.

    Kelley died at 10:20 a.m. at Bayfront Medical Center, deputies said.

    About 40 people were lingering in the church's fellowship hall after the 10:30 a.m. service when the gun went off.

    Moises Zambrana, who handles the sound system for the church, took Dustin Bueller and another man into a closet off the fellowship hall to show Bueller his 9 mm Ruger pistol, sheriff's office spokeswoman Cecilia Barreda said last week. Bueller, 20, who is dating Kelley, was interested in buying a gun.

    Zambrana, 48, is licensed to carry the gun and was explaining its safety features. He had taken out the magazine and thought the chamber was empty, Barreda said.

    The gun went off, and the bullet went through a wall and hit Kelley, the Rev. Tim Kelley's daughter.

    No charges have been filed in the shooting.

    "It does appear that this was a tragic accident," Barreda said.

    Deputies continue to investigate.


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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,948
    i don't think we can improve responsibility at all.

    an 8 year old was shot in washington state yesterday in front of her entire class.

    in st louis there is a "neighborhood gun" that has been used in at least 9 shootings, 5 of them murders. the gun is hidden somewhere where people in the neighborhood know where it is and it is there for use by whomever wants to use it. none of the crimes committed with that gun have been solved and nobody has been arrested.

    there is no improving responsibility with guns. you can legislate the shit out of it, you can ban them or whatever. the fact is that they exist now and as long as there are guns, there will be shootings and murders and suicides.
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  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i don't think we can improve responsibility at all.

    an 8 year old was shot in washington state yesterday in front of her entire class.

    in st louis there is a "neighborhood gun" that has been used in at least 9 shootings, 5 of them murders. the gun is hidden somewhere where people in the neighborhood know where it is and it is there for use by whomever wants to use it. none of the crimes committed with that gun have been solved and nobody has been arrested.

    there is no improving responsibility with guns. you can legislate the shit out of it, you can ban them or whatever. the fact is that they exist now and as long as there are guns, there will be shootings and murders and suicides.

    In my neighborhood, shootings are becoming so commonplace, that they rarely make the news anymore.
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  • covered in bliss
    covered in bliss chi-caw-go Posts: 1,332
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    there is no improving responsibility with guns. you can legislate the shit out of it, you can ban them or whatever. the fact is that they exist now and as long as there are guns, there will be shootings and murders and suicides.

    here is an interesting quote I happened upon while searching for something....

    All Illegal Guns Begin as Legal Guns.

    https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:KG6LGqtwSJoJ:www.guncontrol.ca/English/Home/Facts/illegallegal.pdf+canadian+man+buys+gun+internet+kills+ex+girlfriend&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjO4jLrw7PcyebyT9yHAuCkXaCuS6bN04Mrf3OjsseEmZcXt6t4GxtxW4vkspEOFlJWgl_4020sYDgybbndSSLVJSubrNw1JSq8-qK6mzRTcwS1QQzHgbkPkva4m03b_Br_tVOn&sig=AHIEtbSlfETqgVuEm7waM3IlTBMB76qs-A
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,249
    The shootings continue and it's terribly said for this 9 year old...

    r-BREMERTON-large570.jpg

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/0 ... d%3D141443

    There should be mandetory gun safety classes given to obtain a license in order to own a gun..plain and simple.

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  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    Here's one of those odd stories:

    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/mma-f ... 22330.html

    "I was ready to shoot him and do everyone on earth a favor. I pulled the trigger, but realized I didn't have one in the chamber," said Caccavella, 54, of Lake Worth. "This could've ended really bad for everyone."

    I probably wouldnt have hesitated shooting this guy either (the attacker, who used a gun to pistol-whip someone), but then again, everyone is still alive since the gun wasnt loaded properly.
    Odd story...good old flori-duh.
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  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    This thing is ridiculous:

    http://now.msn.com/now/0312-double-barr ... ndgun.aspx

    :shock:
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  • bennett13
    bennett13 Posts: 439
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    This thing is ridiculous:

    http://now.msn.com/now/0312-double-barr ... ndgun.aspx

    :shock:

    Cool! I want one!

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