Religious Beliefs

Cosmo · February 2012

hedonist wrote:

Amen to that, my friend.

And your last two lines? Much agreed.

My mom told me that many years ago, after her father died, she dreamed of him and asked, "Where are you? What happened when you died? What happens when WE die?"

He put a finger to his lips and said "shhhh".

We can't know...actually, I think we shouldn't know. I think it would somehow sully the beauty and surprise this life holds.

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Speaking of living... I heard that Taylor Hawkins of the Foo Fighters is taking his little side band out for a spin out in the Valley in the near future. Would you be up to some '70s style dirt rock (Zeppelin, Who, Queen, Sabbath...)? They are really good. I'll give you the specifics as soon as I hear them.

SweetChildofMine · February 2012

So what your saying is that we need a little schism from the Foo Fighter religion?

Cosmo · February 2012

blondieblue227 wrote:

but see then you're stuck dealing with the whole, "I must spread Gods word" thing. and it potentially won't stop. how do you deal with that?

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Back to this... I was thinking about this one... it is a common thread I run into from time to time.
I love your words of inclusion. I do not like the fact that you need to spread the word of inclusion and wish it was just part of our human nature.

pandora · February 2012

pirlo21 wrote:

Pandora,

I have faith, just not religious faith. I have faith in my girlfriend, family, friends...and I have faith that Pearl Jam will rock the house in Manchester in June!!

You say you don't 'select' God's qualities, does that mean you attribute the bad things to God just as equally as the good?
If all the beauty & love in the world reinforces your belief in God, what about suffering & destruction?!

If you don't believe in a God from a particular religion, then you are pretty much creating your own version of God.

Then you understand faith and how faith is learned and experienced
like that of love. These people of yours who you have faith in and PJ

have proven trustworthy through experience and lessons learned.

Perhaps you have no faith in God because you have not learned nor experienced God yet.
Perhaps this will change in your lifetime as it did mine.

what bad things? that is confusing and
are you quoting me when you say all the beauty and love reinforces my belief? :?

I disagree with you about what you think God is.
You think I must believe in a God of a certain religion

So for you God = Religion and Religion= God

I believe only what I have proof of,
what I have learned and experienced as I said in my last post.
Like what you have learned and experienced of your friends, family and PJ.

It is good to embrace this analogy when speaking to people who have faith in God
because then perhaps an understanding of their faith can be felt
which I am sure would be a goal for you ... to understand others

Cosmo · February 2012

SweetChildofMine wrote:

So what your saying is that we need a little schism from the Foo Fighter religion?

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I don't know about schism... but some good ol' 70s rock and roll does the soul good. Right?

SweetChildofMine · February 2012

I enjoy reading gnostic texts/belief as its blend of Christianity and Eastern traditions. Which is the melding to me anyway, the christ/krishna consciousness. It is also my belief that the dead sea scrolls are "thee" original writings gnostic text.

Also enjoy Buddhist, Hindu, Native American, Jewish and Muslim philosophies. Some stories are the same some are not... some philosophies are the same some are not. I"m always open to study what people have to say and interpretation of texts.

*Some religions beliefs include also believe when artifacts are found or returned it is time once again for them to be used. Hard to explain all of this in a few sentences.

for some good reading and links
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism
ties to alot of sects, societies and religions

Today ruminating from my mind is to eat from the tree of knowledge.... for memories are ingrained upon the soul life after life.... rather than eating from tree of life of one life as trying to be one immortal ... to live within the spiritual sense of self...makes much more sense to be the immortal soul rather than trying to live in the mortal flesh which keeps one bound to keep incarnating on earth. You will be pretty much be the same lifetime after lifetime.

SweetChildofMine · February 2012

Cosmo wrote:

SweetChildofMine wrote:

So what your saying is that we need a little schism from the Foo Fighter religion?

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I don't know about schism... but some good ol' 70s rock and roll does the soul good. Right?

Right, I always say the Church of Rock and Roll does the soul good.

Cosmo · February 2012

SweetChildofMine wrote:

I enjoy reading gnostic texts/belief as its blend of Christianity and Eastern traditions. Which is the melding to me anyway, the christ/krishna consciousness. It is also my belief that the dead sea scrolls are "thee" original writings gnostic text.

Also enjoy Buddhist, Hindu, Native American, Jewish and Muslim philosophies. Some stories are the same some are not... some philosophies are the same some are not. I"m always open to study what people have to say and interpretation of texts.

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I have no quarrels with religions or Holy Texts. There are some beautiful passages and important lessons to be found there. I just tend to steer clear of religion because of its inate want to exclude those whom do not accept theirs as the only way to live.
I tend to lean more towards those religions that guide us through this life... as sheppards of this planet... rather than the ones that offer up heaven or hell at the end of the road. The God I believe in isn't a petty narcissist that demands our worship... He loves us... just because.
If a religion accepts me... because I don't believe... and does not find my disbelief as a negative or something to be fixed... just accepts me as I am... this fucked up human that doesn't know shit... I would accept that religion.

SweetChildofMine · February 2012

Well of course, its called compassion for other humans and souls depending on their development on "becoming" regardless of your beliefs... thats what "good shepherds" herding are supposed to do. Religion or any power of some sort of mysticism/supernatural is just like any position of power given to the wrong or right people its all in the responsibility in how you use it.

So let's say by using your "orange glowy charms to hustle chicks" and attracting them talent, it may not be using your spiritual talent responsibly.

hedonist · February 2012

Cosmo wrote:

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Speaking of living... I heard that Taylor Hawkins of the Foo Fighters is taking his little side band out for a spin out in the Valley in the near future. Would you be up to some '70s style dirt rock (Zeppelin, Who, Queen, Sabbath...)? They are really good. I'll give you the specifics as soon as I hear them.

Let me know! ...although I've been having some serious back issues as of late.

And, back to religion and some recent comments, shouldn't it be accepting of all? I can't imagine I would be turned away from a church, or temple, or mosque if I went there in need of help, comfort or guidance. I would hope not.

My "mother-in-law" was a very religious woman but never gave Danny and me shit for living together. Throughout his surgeries, she'd send us mass prayer cards, religious messages and holy water from the Vatican. The items themselves held no particular meaning for me, but the place of love from where they came?

Oh hell yes.

Drowned Out · February 2012

hedonist wrote:

Oh how this thread and topic make my mind swirl around.

To the original post, I was raised Jewish (though as a kid, not quite sure I had a grasp on the whole deal). In my teens/early 20s, a spitfire atheist.

My dad and I had many conversations about this. In his early teens, he left Germany (and his parents) for America in the late 30s. He knew what was coming. His parents stayed and were eventually "transferred" to a concentration camp. My grandmother died at Thereisenstadt (in her husbands arms - small blessing) and my grandfather made it to freedom afterward. Short-lived, but he got to spend precious time with his son again.

I've felt an obligation to not break that chain - so much sacrificed in the name of beliefs...BELIEFS - but I also think one has to make an effort to have faith. It can't be forced. And, I just couldn't do it...couldn't make myself believe. I think my father understood and respected that.

I think our essence is about integrity, honor, kindness. That may come from some tenets of religion, but not from religion itself.

My father died in September 2008, and this past Hannukah, I lit the menorah that he brought with him from Germany and passed on to me. It wasn't about MY beliefs, but about honoring his.

Holy fuck, I miss him. Such a unique and decent man.

hmmm.....not sure where I'm going with this.

I guess that now, in my 40s, I consider myself agnostic. I know that I just don't know. I look at whatever god might be as nature - life. Like the line from Man of the Hour (also tied to my dad) - "nature has its own religion, gospel from the land". That's it for me.

Early mornings when I sit by our window, having a smoke, watching the city awake and the sky explode in color...or the times where this part of California becomes violent and shakes the complacency out of us...and so much more - everything that's bigger than tiny me...that's god.

To me.

Beautiful :thumbup:

Jeanwah · February 2012

Cosmo wrote:

blondieblue227 wrote:

but see then you're stuck dealing with the whole, "I must spread Gods word" thing. and it potentially won't stop. how do you deal with that?

...
Back to this... I was thinking about this one... it is a common thread I run into from time to time.
I love your words of inclusion. I do not like the fact that you need to spread the word of inclusion and wish it was just part of our human nature.

Amen to that !!!

hedonist · February 2012

Drowned Out wrote:

Beautiful :thumbup:

Thank you, sir! And I dig your avatar.
(apologies if you are not a "sir"

)

Cosmo · February 2012

hedonist wrote:

And, back to religion and some recent comments, shouldn't it be accepting of all? I can't imagine I would be turned away from a church, or temple, or mosque if I went there in need of help, comfort or guidance. I would hope not.
My "mother-in-law" was a very religious woman but never gave Danny and me shit for living together. Throughout his surgeries, she'd send us mass prayer cards, religious messages and holy water from the Vatican. The items themselves held no particular meaning for me, but the place of love from where they came?
Oh hell yes.

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I don't negate religion... I admit, I don't accept it for me, but I don't ever try to shake people of their faith. I will tell them it is good for them... provides comfort and hope. And I don't care if they pray for me or not.
I just don't like it when they make it sound like they will pray for me so thay I might see their light and believe as they do... like I need to be saved. Save your prayers for the ones in need... I'm doing okay. And who knows, I may be strolling down Fairfax one day and trip over God and see the light. On my terms.
Anyway, i'll let you know the whens and wheres of that gig as soon as I'm given the go-ahead to broadcast.

pandora · February 2012

blondieblue227 · February 2012

sorry to be late. thanks for all the posts to me.

that pic reminds me...
yeah she was all like not going to reach out, you have to reach out.
i'm thinking what the hell? i'm fine. what gives you the idea i'm missing something?

then the definite hell thing. that's what pissed me off. i was fine until that. "there's a definite heaven and hell. and if you don't reach out...." It's SO judgmental! do people even realize that?

when a person is that hardcore, i just can't share my view with them. they are so programed and locked in at that point. then it gets to be a contest possibly if you do share rather than it being a convo. it's a contest because their faith just has to be stronger and better than the other persons view.

Cosmo wrote:

blondieblue227 wrote:

but see then you're stuck dealing with the whole, "I must spread Gods word" thing. and it potentially won't stop. how do you deal with that?

...
Back to this... I was thinking about this one... it is a common thread I run into from time to time.
I love your words of inclusion. I do not like the fact that you need to spread the word of inclusion and wish it was just part of our human nature.

thank you.
yes, i just hope i'm not shoving Inclusion down anybody's throat.

redrock wrote:

Blondie - a good aid (PAs here in the UK) are precious to have but in the end, you are the boss. If I understood correctly, you already mentioned the 'no religion' thing. Said nicely to her that she has her beliefs and you have hers and let's keep it at that shouldn't really cause a riff, should it?

My very best friend 'found god' about 15 years ago. Whilst we can have some interesting theological discussions (as I do with a priest friend of mine,etc.), we both know not to 'cross the line' and it's fine.

yup i know. i hate to fire her over this. i hope resentments don't grow now. to start her speel, She said i know you don't like religion talk... BUT....
see again with the factor attached to religion, Spread His Word.
it's so hard to find decent aides.

pandora · February 2012

blondieblue227 wrote:

sorry to be late. thanks for all the posts to me.

that pic reminds me...
yeah she was all like not going to reach out, you have to reach out.
i'm thinking what the hell? i'm fine. what gives you the idea i'm missing something?

then the definite hell thing. that's what pissed me off. i was fine until that. "there's a definite heaven and hell. and if you don't reach out...." It's SO judgmental! do people even realize that?

when a person is that hardcore, i just can't share my view with them. they are so programed and locked in at that point. then it gets to be a contest possibly if you do share rather than it being a convo. it's a contest because their faith just has to be stronger and better than the other persons view.

I agree blondieblue what gives her the idea you are missing something?

This can be a common problem for the over zealous just like PJ fans

we just wanna turn the world on to a good thing!

sometimes we find understanding by comparing it to something we can relate to

if you value this aide maybe you can find a way to accept and understand her
faith while she learns to respect your beliefs and limits

my nature tells me you could both maybe learn from each other
in my opinion ... this is living

good luck I know you and I know you'll figure the best way

blondieblue227 · February 2012

pandora wrote:

I agree blondieblue what gives her the idea you are missing something?

because... i said(or posted video).... she told me all this after hearing me talk to a class about Inclusion in school.
she totally missed my point if she took: i felt nobody loves me, i have no friends ETC.
That so not what i was saying.
but shucks i'm used to Wrong Perceptions by this point in my life.

pandora · February 2012

blondieblue227 wrote:

pandora wrote:

I agree blondieblue what gives her the idea you are missing something?

because... i said(or posted video).... she told me all this after hearing me talk to a class about Inclusion in school.
she totally missed my point if she took: i felt nobody loves me, i have no friends ETC.
That so not what i was saying.
but shucks i'm used to Wrong Perceptions by this point in my life.

yes I thought perhaps another conversation had taken place since
sorry for my mistake.

Seems religion is a big part of her support system and the answer she has found
to happiness in her life.

Hopefully sharing can become more enjoyable and less overbearing in the future,
if you value the relationship and continue.

blondieblue227 · February 2012

she's a pretty cranky woman actually. lol! but i don't take it personally because it's a professional relationship. she is a pretty good aide. i respect her for that.
time will tell with us.

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