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  • JK_Livin
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    30min until Andy comes out to see his shadow. This presser should be very interesting or very boring.
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  • Cliffy6745
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    JK_Livin wrote:
    30min until Andy comes out to see his shadow. This presser should be very interesting or very boring.

    Giants have a press conference today too. ;) :thumbup:
  • pjhawks
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    JK_Livin wrote:
    30min until Andy comes out to see his shadow. This presser should be very interesting or very boring.

    i love it. the media has been bitching that he hasn't spoken since the end of the season...and he is going to come out and say absolutely nothing which is going to piss them off. 'got to do a better job there'
  • JK_Livin
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    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    JK_Livin wrote:
    30min until Andy comes out to see his shadow. This presser should be very interesting or very boring.

    Giants have a press conference today too. ;) :thumbup:

    Ha ha. Andy should've waited until 6:30 on Sunday for his. It would be his perfect audience with no questions.
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  • Cliffy6745
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    JK_Livin wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    JK_Livin wrote:
    30min until Andy comes out to see his shadow. This presser should be very interesting or very boring.

    Giants have a press conference today too. ;) :thumbup:

    Ha ha. Andy should've waited until 6:30 on Sunday for his. It would be his perfect audience with no questions.

    haha, yeah, seems to be the way he likes it.
  • Johnny Abruzzo
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    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    JK_Livin wrote:
    30min until Andy comes out to see his shadow. This presser should be very interesting or very boring.

    Giants have a press conference today too. ;) :thumbup:

    Did you thank Kevin Kolb for telling the Cards what the Eagles D was gonna do on their game winning drive? Or, how about the dumbass coaches for NOT CHANGING THE SIGNALS. Without that, Giants would've missed the playoffs. :roll:
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  • Cliffy6745
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    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    JK_Livin wrote:
    30min until Andy comes out to see his shadow. This presser should be very interesting or very boring.

    Giants have a press conference today too. ;) :thumbup:

    Did you thank Kevin Kolb for telling the Cards what the Eagles D was gonna do on their game winning drive? Or, how about the dumbass coaches for NOT CHANGING THE SIGNALS. Without that, Giants would've missed the playoffs. :roll:

    I did hear that, that is pretty dumb and stubborn. A bunch of breaks went the Giants way but all that matters is that they're there. I thought the season was over multiple times but I'll gladly take it
  • The Juggler
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    pjhawks wrote:
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    no i'm not. i'm kind of dismissing them only because they take his 13 years as a whole instead of realizing an actual 7 year trend of mediocrity. and i have no idea where you got your numbers from anyway. but what does it matter if you take a step back (one game) to take a step forward when you have no faith that your current coach can win you a super bowl anyway? the guy can't even win a playoff game right now....and has now let his arrogance get in the way (yet again) of atoning for one of the dumbest promotions in the history of the franchise.

    i listed quite a few coaches i would have had my eye on had the eagles let reid go...back when this was actually up for discussion a couple months ago.

    the point is the guy has been about a .500 coach for the last 7 years. what he did a decade ago (with different players and a different coaching staff) has no bearing on where he's at now....now that i think about it, i kinda like spags going to new orleans actually. he's setting himself up for a 2nd shot at a head coaching gig this time next year if the saints defense improves and they make a deep run. ;);)


    it's just amazing to me how scared people are of change. good coach in his day. but sometimes you reach a point where it's good for both parties to go their desperate ways. i believe we've reached that point. i hope i'm wrong. i hope they win the super bowl next year. not too confident though...

    62-50 regular season for a 55% winning percentage in past 7 years (7 years ago was TO/Mike McMahon debacle of 6-10). 58% in last 6 years which is not far off his career average. I have to look at all other teams to see where those numbers fall league-wide but i imagine it's better than mediocre.

    3-4 in the playoffs in those 6 and 7 year splits as well. again have to look up the other teams to see where that falls.

    i will check those out when i get a chance, maybe tonight.

    a 55% winning percentage per season equates to 8.8 wins per year. 3 playoff wins in the last 7 years. none in the last 3. steady decline each of past few years. that's the definition of mediocrity. that is not good enough.

    you are so adverse to even the most basic kind of stats in other conversations but are married to these ones here. that's kinda funny.

    even if someone were to play along with your 35% chance of having a better record the following year with a different coach i still wouldn't go along with that for a couple reasons.

    1-i'm of the belief that the current coach, based on about a decade and half's worth of watching him, is incapable of winning a super bowl. so i would not mind taking a step or two back to make a leap forward (that i dont believe reid can make) later.

    2-most importantly, in the history of almost a century of professional football there is only 1 instance of a coach hanging around as long as reid who hasn't won anything that eventually won a championship. so 35% or 1 in a 100?

    meanwhile the giants are in their 2nd super bowl in the last 5 years. :x
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  • The Juggler
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    JK_Livin wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    JK_Livin wrote:
    30min until Andy comes out to see his shadow. This presser should be very interesting or very boring.

    Giants have a press conference today too. ;) :thumbup:

    Ha ha. Andy should've waited until 6:30 on Sunday for his. It would be his perfect audience with no questions.

    there are no answers given so what does it matter? :lol:
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  • pjhawks
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    The Juggler wrote:

    meanwhile the giants are in their 2nd super bowl in the last 5 years. :x

    Giants defense sucks and our's is better though right? :roll:

    and i'm not sure the 'he can't win a super bowl' theory. he was 'this' close in a game that the other coach was convicted of cheating in so i don't buy that. give him the right players and right situation he surely could win one.

    anyway just because i thought it was interesting here are the numbers from the last 7 and 6 year periods that you have defined as mediocre. take them as you like.

    7 years regular season: 11th in the NFL in total wins
    7 years playoffs: tied for 6th in appearances with 4
    7 years playoffs: 11th in wins

    6 years regular season: 10th in the NFL in total wins
    6 years playoffs: tied for 4th with 5 other teams with 4 appearances
    6 years playoffs: 10th in wins

    grant you not great and not earth shattering but i think it shows that reid hasn't lost as much on his fastball as some eagles fans like to think. and i would be willing to bet those 6 and 7 years are better than any other 6 and 7 year period in franchise history other than reid's prior years.

    take it whatever way you like. just providing numbers because i said i would.
  • The Juggler
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    **they are actually tied with the falcons for 11th with 8.8 wins per year. so of 31 teams they are a little above the middle of the pack. the titans are right below them at 8.3 wins per year followed by the broncos at 8.14. not the kind of company a team with championship aspirations wants to keep (and by the way, when there are 16 games in the season and you are winning slightly above half of them--how's that not mediocre? :lol: )

    andy reid's teams used to be compared to the steelers, colts, and pats as one of the best teams in the league. now over the past 7 years we are 3rd in our own division (of 4 teams) behind the giants and cowboys in avg wins per year.

    **in the entire nfl, they are one of only 4 teams to see a steady decline in wins in each of the last 3 seasons. this is most disturbing.

    **of the 22 teams who have won at least one playoff game since the '04 season the eagles rank right in the middle, 11th in total wins (a whopping 3)....none coming in the last 3 seasons obviously.

    so when putting things into perspective, yes, absolutely yes, these last 7 seasons have been mediocre--and these last 3 have been a steady decline.



    and again--yeah the giants defense was lousy all season long. giants fans even told you so much a couple weeks ago. you still have not made an argument to defend them.

    the cardinals weren't world beaters in mlb last year were they? no they weren't. they were a slightly above average team who got hot at the absolute right time. they are the equivalent of the ny giants in the nfl.
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  • pjhawks
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    The Juggler wrote:
    **they are actually tied with the falcons for 11th with 8.8 wins per year. so of 31 teams they are a little above the middle of the pack. the titans are right below them at 8.3 wins per year followed by the broncos at 8.14. not the kind of company a team with championship aspirations wants to keep (and by the way, when there are 16 games in the season and you are winning slightly above half of them--how's that not mediocre? :lol: )

    andy reid's teams used to be compared to the steelers, colts, and pats as one of the best teams in the league. now over the past 7 years we are 3rd in our own division (of 4 teams) behind the giants and cowboys in avg wins per year.

    **in the entire nfl, they are one of only 4 teams to see a steady decline in wins in each of the last 3 seasons. this is most disturbing.

    **of the 22 teams who have won at least one playoff game since the '04 season the eagles rank right in the middle, 11th in total wins (a whopping 3)....none coming in the last 3 seasons obviously.

    so when putting things into perspective, yes, absolutely yes, these last 7 seasons have been mediocre--and these last 3 have been a steady decline.



    and again--yeah the giants defense was lousy all season long. giants fans even told you so much a couple weeks ago. you still have not made an argument to defend them.

    the cardinals weren't world beaters in mlb last year were they? no they weren't. they were a slightly above average team who got hot at the absolute right time. they are the equivalent of the ny giants in the nfl.

    you run around in circles here. you talk about being mediocre is not good enough but final statement is mediocre is ok because you can get hot and win. i don't understand.

    i'll say it again...we need better players. andy didn't get dumber since 2004, the players got worse.

    i guess we can always go back to the marion campbell, rich kotite and ray rhodes era's where we had 0% chance of winning divisions and playoff games. i'll take my shot next year.

    either way i was just presenting the numbers here as i said i would. cleary we agree to disagree on what the numbers mean and how the franchise should react in the immediate terms to said numbers.
  • Johnny Abruzzo
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    pjhawks wrote:
    and i'm not sure the 'he can't win a super bowl' theory. he was 'this' close in a game that the other coach was convicted of cheating in so i don't buy that. give him the right players and right situation he surely could win one.

    He is in charge of picking the players, which is a huge part of the problem.

    His early career great seasons were largely with players drafted by the previous administration, at least on defense, which was the signature of the team.
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  • JK_Livin
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    I think this thread should be buried until 3/13 4pm when free agency starts. It's like beating a dead horse. Or you can just carry on as usual.
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  • pjhawks
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    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    pjhawks wrote:
    and i'm not sure the 'he can't win a super bowl' theory. he was 'this' close in a game that the other coach was convicted of cheating in so i don't buy that. give him the right players and right situation he surely could win one.

    He is in charge of picking the players, which is a huge part of the problem.

    His early career great seasons were largely with players drafted by the previous administration, at least on defense, which was the signature of the team.

    i would have no problem taking away the player personnel aspect from Reid although i honestly don't think he does a whole lot of that anymore. he doesn't even go to the college all-star games anymore. But Roseman doesn't inspire any confidence either.
  • The Juggler
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    pjhawks wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:
    **they are actually tied with the falcons for 11th with 8.8 wins per year. so of 31 teams they are a little above the middle of the pack. the titans are right below them at 8.3 wins per year followed by the broncos at 8.14. not the kind of company a team with championship aspirations wants to keep (and by the way, when there are 16 games in the season and you are winning slightly above half of them--how's that not mediocre? :lol: )

    andy reid's teams used to be compared to the steelers, colts, and pats as one of the best teams in the league. now over the past 7 years we are 3rd in our own division (of 4 teams) behind the giants and cowboys in avg wins per year.

    **in the entire nfl, they are one of only 4 teams to see a steady decline in wins in each of the last 3 seasons. this is most disturbing.

    **of the 22 teams who have won at least one playoff game since the '04 season the eagles rank right in the middle, 11th in total wins (a whopping 3)....none coming in the last 3 seasons obviously.

    so when putting things into perspective, yes, absolutely yes, these last 7 seasons have been mediocre--and these last 3 have been a steady decline.



    and again--yeah the giants defense was lousy all season long. giants fans even told you so much a couple weeks ago. you still have not made an argument to defend them.

    the cardinals weren't world beaters in mlb last year were they? no they weren't. they were a slightly above average team who got hot at the absolute right time. they are the equivalent of the ny giants in the nfl.

    you run around in circles here. you talk about being mediocre is not good enough but final statement is mediocre is ok because you can get hot and win. i don't understand.

    i'll say it again...we need better players. andy didn't get dumber since 2004, the players got worse.

    i guess we can always go back to the marion campbell, rich kotite and ray rhodes era's where we had 0% chance of winning divisions and playoff games. i'll take my shot next year.

    either way i was just presenting the numbers here as i said i would. cleary we agree to disagree on what the numbers mean and how the franchise should react in the immediate terms to said numbers.

    how am i going back in circles? any team can get hot and win in any given year. it's obviously not an ideal way of building a championship team though. it just happens sometimes in parity driven sports leagues (except here :x ).

    andy has final say on all the players. his bad defensive drafting is one of the other reasons why i think he should have been let go. thanks for pointing that out.

    yes, let's go back to the kotite and marion campbell years. that's what we should do :lol: that's a loser's mentality that i do not subscribe too. don't be so afraid of change man. sometimes it's best for both parties to make a change. i think we've reached that point. hope i'm wrong....but these numbers we've discussed over the last 7 years hardly inspire confidence.
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  • The Juggler
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    congrats to shady. great year.
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    eagles have the 4th best odds at winning the super bowl next year... :lol:
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  • Phantom Pain
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    The Juggler wrote:
    eagles have the 4th best odds at winning the super bowl next year... :lol:

    Once Vegas saw they kept Juan odds improved

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  • The Juggler
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    Phantom Pain wrote:
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    eagles have the 4th best odds at winning the super bowl next year... :lol:

    Once Vegas saw they kept Juan odds improved

    :roll:

    haha....to me this further emphasizes the awful coaching job we saw this year. pressure's on next season yet again.
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