Another egregious breach of the Constitution

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  • Posts: 641
    StillHere wrote:
    we may need more details
    for example, what was the reason given for detaining him?
    did he have proof of who he was and what he does?
    not everyone in this country would recognize the man
    i know that its still a breech, but considering
    the way things go these days
    comparatively, its not that much of one, really


    Right. What's a small violation of the Constitution?

    No biggie. :roll:



    We're about half a generation from the end of American freedom. Christ.
  • Posts: 641
    Rockin'PJGirl wrote:
    The TSA does not and should not trump the United States Constitution. And to those who say he is subject to the same laws as us, yes, unless he is on his way to Washington. Then, he cannot be detained, legally.


    This is correct. If Congress is in session, Rand Paul can run over an old lady with his Yukon, and he can not be detained.
  • Posts: 641
    Commy wrote:
    eh. the constitutions is just a piece of paper. i would say nothing, hardly any of the rights were actually given to any of us. the rights we enjoy today took massive popular movements like the civil rights movement and woman's suffrage and hopefully the occupy movement today.,










    Foe button engaged, b/c life's too short to read this crap.
  • Posts: 1,907
    Rockin'PJGirl wrote:
    The TSA does not and should not trump the United States Constitution. And to those who say he is subject to the same laws as us, yes, unless he is on his way to Washington. Then, he cannot be detained, legally.

    You and your supporters need to take a moment to read the Patriot Act in which Congress gave these powers to our intelligence agencies, DoD and Homeland Security. You can bitch about TSA all day long, they're just the worker bees. You could even make them change their 'practices' on certain people, but you don't get to change the Bill. In that respect - 'In defense of National Security' - trumped his status as a politician. He'll probably get a letter of apology and be assured it will never happen again, but the policy that allows such practices is still part of the Bill and can be re-instituted at any point.

    You may also want to take a read of the 2011 DoD Appropriation Bill which was suppose to be about funding programs, however, Congress gave military trial authorization to the DoD to detained US citizens suspected of terrorism. That almighty 'freedom of speech' guaranteed under the Constitution just became a discretionary right, as the DoD defines protests as a form of terrorism. Ruby Ridge would have been defined as terrorism. Groups like them can now be classified as enemy combatants.

    Here's the bigger picture being missing by all those screaming what about the Constitution. Vinny's right, the Patriot Act on its own is unconstitutional because it subverts the powers of the Constitution. The Bush Administration knew this, they also knew they would never get a Constitutional amendment passed that allowed such language that is in the Patriot Act because it would have been challenged by every legal mind in America. So they had Congress pass it as a National Security bill under the umbrella of the Department of Homeland Security and the Intelligence Czar (remember that newly created position). Please don't forget the power behind the Patriot Act, they can bug your phones, read you mail, track your financial activities, make warrantless searches, make public offices turn over your records, etc., etc., what politician is going to give up that type of power, because some TSA worker was doing their job?

    You hear terrorism, you automatic go Arab, Muslim, Islam, but, these Bills were never limited to that sole purpose; and just like Rand Paul, we all go about our daily business until we get caught under that umbrella, then we're ready to call bullshit, but its too late because its law; and these laws make it clear that -In defense of National Security- trumps your Constitutional rights.
    SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
  • Posts: 21,037
    puremagic wrote:
    --TSA (Patriot Act) overrides the Constitution.— he should have read it more carefully. Once he set off that alarm he was subject to the Patriot Act.

    Joseph McCarthy will be loving this. This is just The House of Un-American Activities under a different name. Fucking fascists.
  • Posts: 21,037
    MayDay Malone wrote:
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    Foe button engaged, b/c life's too short to read this crap.

    How is what he said 'crap'? Do you think all the rights Americans enjoy were handed to them from above?

    I take it you were absent from school the day they studied 'A People's History of The United States'?
  • Posts: 7,718
    I am no Rand Paul supporter, but people, put yourself in his shoes..

    You are an elected official in an airport on your way to your job of making the freaking laws of the land.


    The machine goes off when you walk through it, and naturally you know there is a mistake and request to try it again, which he did, but was refused a second try and put through a pat down.


    Is that not embarassing enough? To be denied a simple request to try to walk through it again when you are an elected official on your way to Washington?


    I would be embarrassed as hell and given his political beliefs, how could he not argue with the situation.
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    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    I am no Rand Paul supporter, but people, put yourself in his shoes..

    You are an elected official in an airport on your way to your job of making the freaking laws of the land.


    The machine goes off when you walk through it, and naturally you know there is a mistake and request to try it again, which he did, but was refused a second try and put through a pat down.


    Is that not embarassing enough? To be denied a simple request to try to walk through it again when you are an elected official on your way to Washington?


    I would be embarrassed as hell and given his political beliefs, how could he not argue with the situation.

    Machine beeped. take your pat down and walk on.

    I'd be more pissed being behind him in line.
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    Smellyman wrote:
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    Machine beeped. take your pat down and walk on.

    I'd be more pissed being behind him in line.
    I guess.. but I think the guy was just sticking to his political views, not trying to be a dick.
  • Posts: 13,559
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    I guess.. but I think the guy was just sticking to his political views, not trying to be a dick.

    have you had a discussion with the libertarians on this board!? ... hahaha ... they will harp on one word even tho it has very little to do with the overall discussion just for the sake of proving a point ... :lol::lol:

    two things:

    1. this is the patriot act at work ... i speculate that some of you wouldn't care if this happened to a muslim person ...

    2. the constitution has been violated from the get go ... people have been denied their constitutional rights since its inception ... not to say that it is right ... but this shouldn't be news to anyone ...
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    Byrnzie wrote:
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    How is what he said 'crap'? Do you think all the rights Americans enjoy were handed to them from above?

    I take it you were absent from school the day they studied 'A People's History of The United States'?



    You can "take it" however you want. Regarding the troll that is Byrnzie, a lesser damn, I could not give.
  • Posts: 7,795
    MayDay Malone wrote:
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    Right. What's a small violation of the Constitution?

    No biggie. :roll:



    We're about half a generation from the end of American freedom. Christ.

    i think you took it the wrong way
    i agree with you
    peace,
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  • Posts: 6,363
    Smellyman wrote:
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    Machine beeped. take your pat down and walk on.

    I'd be more pissed being behind him in line.

    I'd say ego got the best of him, and rather just compromise with TSA and getting out of there quicker, putting up an embarrassing stink about the whole thing made everything worse, didn't it...
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    polaris_x wrote:
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    have you had a discussion with the libertarians on this board!? ... hahaha ... they will harp on one word even tho it has very little to do with the overall discussion just for the sake of proving a point ... :lol::lol:

    two things:

    1. this is the patriot act at work ... i speculate that some of you wouldn't care if this happened to a muslim person ...

    2. the constitution has been violated from the get go ... people have been denied their constitutional rights since its inception ... not to say that it is right ... but this shouldn't be news to anyone ...


    no I won't :lol: and it had a LOT to do with the discussion, it wasn't so much defining it for you or me, but for those that may have been reading...you want to get this started again?!?!??! :lol::lol::lol:


    on topic, I am not sure what to think...I like that he stood up for what he feels is wrong. And to those that say something like, "just take the pat down and move on"...that indifference is how liberties, rights, and the constitution get trampled on
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  • Posts: 6,363
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    on topic, I am not sure what to think...I like that he stood up for what he feels is wrong. And to those that say something like, "just take the pat down and move on"...that indifference is how liberties, rights, and the constitution get trampled on

    How about just making your plane? Sometimes you do what you have to to make your flight. After that, then you can complain!! Most of us don't have the money to risk missing our flights.
  • Posts: 4,741
    I'm trying to figure out what Constitutional right was breached...

    I'm serious...

    I'm thinking he had to hit the restroom to dump is weed prior to the patdown...
  • Posts: 1,907
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    I am no Rand Paul supporter, but people, put yourself in his shoes..

    You are an elected official in an airport on your way to your job of making the freaking laws of the land.


    The machine goes off when you walk through it, and naturally you know there is a mistake and request to try it again, which he did, but was refused a second try and put through a pat down.


    Is that not embarassing enough? To be denied a simple request to try to walk through it again when you are an elected official on your way to Washington?


    I would be embarrassed as hell and given his political beliefs, how could he not argue with the situation.


    I could appreciate all that you said, except for the fact that Rand Paul is a seasoned traveler; he knows what to expect every time he enters an airport facility. He knows the procedures and rather than get into a back and forth about Rand Paul, I chose to focus on the laws enacted that could allow this to occur.

    However, the more I hear him and his Dad go on and on about this, I’m beginning to think this was a nothing more than a political move; just another talking point ploy about reducing the government, yet nothing about the fact that he’d still have to secure the airports. Is he willing to bring up the fact that if they elect not to use the TSA, they’d have to contract the same work out to private securities firms, at a higher pay rate, because the law requires them to secure air travel. Wonder how many of these so called private technology firms are part of their portfolios from these insider moves.
    SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
  • Posts: 641
    StillHere wrote:
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    i think you took it the wrong way
    i agree with you


    Oh. Man! I'm always doing that.
  • Posts: 641
    inmytree wrote:
    I'm trying to figure out what Constitutional right was breached...

    I'm serious...

    I'm thinking he had to hit the restroom to dump is weed prior to the patdown...


    Are you really serious? NO way...
  • Posts: 4,741
    MayDay Malone wrote:
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    Are you really serious? NO way...

    I'm serious about trying to figure out what Constitutional Right was breached...

    I'm kinda serious about the weed thing...

    woot

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