Metal Evolution: Grunge

lastchild11 · January 2012

VH1 Classic has been showing a show called Metal Evolution the past few weeks. it goes through the different years and sub-genres of metal. This week is grunge. it will be on in about 5 minutes.

Nicoley25 · January 2012

I wish I had cable : / I'd totally watch this

peacefrompaul · January 2012

lastchild11 wrote:

VH1 Classic has been showing a show called Metal Evolution the past few weeks. it goes through the different years and sub-genres of metal. This week is grunge. it will be on in about 5 minutes.

Curse the basic cable! Damn...

Lost In Ohio · January 2012

I forget where I saw it...probably on one of those limited edition DVDs, but someone was saying it was weird that Pearl Jam was classified as a grunge band when Jeff and Stone sort of came from the hair metal scene, thanks to Andy Wood. Meanwhile, Ed came from the SoCal punk scene.

They sort of got lumped in with Soundgarden, Nirvana, and Alice In Chains, and the rest wrote itself.

peacefrompaul · January 2012

Lost In Ohio wrote:

I forget where I saw it...probably on one of those limited edition DVDs, but someone was saying it was weird that Pearl Jam was classified as a grunge band when Jeff and Stone sort of came from the hair metal scene, thanks to Andy Wood. Meanwhile, Ed came from the SoCal punk scene.

They sort of got lumped in with Soundgarden, Nirvana, and Alice In Chains, and the rest wrote itself.

Interesting you say that. Surprised other bands weren't lumped in there... Smashing Pumpkins? I just call it all Alternative Rock.

Lost In Ohio · January 2012

peacefrompaul wrote:

Lost In Ohio wrote:

I forget where I saw it...probably on one of those limited edition DVDs, but someone was saying it was weird that Pearl Jam was classified as a grunge band when Jeff and Stone sort of came from the hair metal scene, thanks to Andy Wood. Meanwhile, Ed came from the SoCal punk scene.

They sort of got lumped in with Soundgarden, Nirvana, and Alice In Chains, and the rest wrote itself.

Interesting you say that. Surprised other bands weren't lumped in there... Smashing Pumpkins? I just call it all Alternative Rock.

IMO, "alternative" didn't really come until later. That's sort of "softer" rock that isn't metal or hard rock.

90s "alternative" really fits three molds. You have the grunge from the early 90s, stuff like Hole and Cake from the mid 90's, then you have the later 90s alternative, which was stuff like Third Eye Blind, Blink-182, Everclear, etc.

peacefrompaul · January 2012

Lost In Ohio wrote:

peacefrompaul wrote:

Lost In Ohio wrote:

I forget where I saw it...probably on one of those limited edition DVDs, but someone was saying it was weird that Pearl Jam was classified as a grunge band when Jeff and Stone sort of came from the hair metal scene, thanks to Andy Wood. Meanwhile, Ed came from the SoCal punk scene.

They sort of got lumped in with Soundgarden, Nirvana, and Alice In Chains, and the rest wrote itself.

Interesting you say that. Surprised other bands weren't lumped in there... Smashing Pumpkins? I just call it all Alternative Rock.

IMO, "alternative" didn't really come until later. That's sort of "softer" rock that isn't metal or hard rock.

90s "alternative" really fits three molds. You have the grunge from the early 90s, stuff like Hole and Cake from the mid 90's, then you have the later 90s alternative, which was stuff like Third Eye Blind, Blink-182, Everclear, etc.

Interesting observation. I don't like arguing genres/sub-genres so I won't.

lastchild11 · January 2012

It was mainly about AIC and soundgarden. there where a few PJ references including Eddie inspiring the vocal style of later singers. none of the band members did interviews.

they had it as the first bands (AIC, Soundgarden Mudhoney, PJ, Nirvana)
then the next wave of grunge (STP, Bush, Silverchair, Candelbox)
then the after grunge leading into the next episode (Nickelback)

Lost In Ohio · January 2012

lastchild11 wrote:

It was mainly about AIC and soundgarden. there where a few PJ references including Eddie inspiring the vocal style of later singers. none of the band members did interviews.

they had it as the first bands (AIC, Soundgarden Mudhoney, PJ, Nirvana)
then the next wave of grunge (STP, Bush, Silverchair, Candelbox)
then the after grunge leading into the next episode (Nickelback)

Obligatory "F U Scott" here?

peacefrompaul · January 2012

lastchild11 wrote:

then the after grunge leading into the next episode (Nickelback)

Oh, Sweet Jesus...

Lost In Ohio · January 2012

The funny thing about NIckelback? When they FIRST broke, they were on the modern rock station here next to the other 90's rock bands. For about 1-2 songs, they actually seemed like they had something.

Then, they turned into any other band.

peacefrompaul · January 2012

Lost In Ohio wrote:

The funny thing about NIckelback? When they FIRST broke, they were on the modern rock station here next to the other 90's rock bands. For about 1-2 songs, they actually seemed like they had something.

Then, they turned into any other band.

Right, I hear some of the riffs... Sounds alright... Then that voice... THAT voice.

And... I'm done once I hear that voice.

frazba · January 2012

I've said this before and I'll say it again, there are only two types of music in this world......good and bad.

Feckin' hate this genre/sub genre bullshit, doesn't matter what you call it, if you like it, it's good!!

skanji32 · January 2012

saw it...very interesting. They interviewed the guys from the Melvins, and a few other bands from Seattle including soundgarden and asked if Grunge was a by product of Metal. To a person (with one exception), they all disagreed saying Metal was all about style/cock-rock first, and about substance secondly.

Still very interesting, and the bio seems to be much larger than Metal, showing a very intricate grouping of bands according to genre. Really fascinating....

Brain.of.Josh · January 2012

no mention of andy wood at all - i thought he would get talked about, especially since they were talking about how music moved from 80s glam rock to 90s grunge...

mark arm at the end was awesome - something like - if i helped start grunge, and grunge lead to bands like nickleback, then kill me.....

why did they show more live nickleback than any other band....seems like scott stapp and chad kroeger got more air time than anyone else

also wondering how stp got lumped into the post grunge era of the nineties, like creed and nickleback (and bush, candlebox, etc...) - didnt core come out in like 93/94? i know they are known as grunge imitators, but they are too close to be seen as post grunge, i think...

lotsa somewhat relevant bands not mentioned at all - blind melon, janes addiction. stp only mentioned on a sign, never really discussed...

brainofe · January 2012

Basically, the question was "Does Grunge belong in the evolution of metal music?" And the answer was NO. Most of the guys that were interviewed acknowledged that they listen to metal and may have been influenced by it somehow, but they never saw themselves or purposely tried to be associated as/with Metal.

From there, it just kind of explained the evolution of Hard Rock after grunge and how it produced non-Metal bands such as STP, Bush, Days of the New, Creed etc.

In my opinion, I'm glad that grunge music (or whatever you want to call it) isn't exactly metal, because by not being strictly metal it allowed those bands have a much wider range of soundscapes to work with than just loud guitars and gutteral vocals.

fisttothejaw · January 2012

frazba wrote:

I've said this before and I'll say it again, there are only two types of music in this world......good and bad.

Feckin' hate this genre/sub genre bullshit, doesn't matter what you call it, if you like it, it's good!!

I get that, but it also makes sense to separate the Megadeths from the Manilows.

fisttothejaw · January 2012

And I just watched the show, which wasn't all that bad, but wasn't all that great either - they seemed to spend an inordinate amount of time drawing distinctions between grunge and HAIR metal, which seemed a bit unnecessary, but it made the most sense when pointing out the Sabbath and Zep influence you hear in Soundgarden, etc -

Interesting hearing Eddie compared to Paul Rodgers (who happens to be another one of my all-time favorite singers, but I don't really get the comparison)

DewieCox · January 2012

Lost In Ohio wrote:

IMO, "alternative" didn't really come until later. That's sort of "softer" rock that isn't metal or hard rock.

90s "alternative" really fits three molds. You have the grunge from the early 90s, stuff like Hole and Cake from the mid 90's, then you have the later 90s alternative, which was stuff like Third Eye Blind, Blink-182, Everclear, etc.

Does this seem way off to anybody else? I was pretty young in the early 90s so I could be mistaken.

The Oracle · January 2012

fisttothejaw wrote:

And I just watched the show, which wasn't all that bad, but wasn't all that great either - they seemed to spend an inordinate amount of time drawing distinctions between grunge and HAIR metal, which seemed a bit unnecessary, but it made the most sense when pointing out the Sabbath and Zep influence you hear in Soundgarden, etc -

Interesting hearing Eddie compared to Paul Rodgers (who happens to be another one of my all-time favorite singers, but I don't really get the comparison)

Paul Rodgers is one of my favourite rock singers of them all. Indeed until I heard EV, he was my favourite. It's not too far a stretch to compare him with EV, as both in their prime had an extremely powerful voice, real gutteral, able to hold a strong note for what seems a long time (check out the Free Live album). And yet their quieter songs reveal a tender voice at the other end of the scale. And both wrote great ballads. Yep, can definitely see the comparison.

uninnocent- · January 2012

I caught this episode (and have been watching the series as a whole), and liked it. It was acknowledged many a time that "grunge" was not a metal sub-genre, and that realistically only early Soundgarden fit the metal label (though I'd argue some AIC is quite metal as well).

What I liked most about the episode was hearing Hiro Yamamoto speak. Seriously, when was the last time anyone actually heard the guy talking?

fisttothejaw · January 2012

DewieCox wrote:

Lost In Ohio wrote:

IMO, "alternative" didn't really come until later. That's sort of "softer" rock that isn't metal or hard rock.

90s "alternative" really fits three molds. You have the grunge from the early 90s, stuff like Hole and Cake from the mid 90's, then you have the later 90s alternative, which was stuff like Third Eye Blind, Blink-182, Everclear, etc.

Does this seem way off to anybody else? I was pretty young in the early 90s so I could be mistaken.

Yeah, when I think of the birth of "alternative," I think of the 80's, like R.E.M., etc...

Mamasan23 · January 2012

I've been watching this whole series because my hubby's a metalhead and was intrigued to see what they would say about the 'grunge' scene. Cool to see the Melvins and Hiro but as expected it fell flat. Once the biographer dude mentioned something about Pearl Jam 'going on hiatus' I turned it off.

It's true that a lot of the bands were influenced by metal - hell Mike McCready's band Shadow is a hair metal band! So I'm glad that they actually acknowledged this evolution of music but I don't really think they got the whole truth of it. No Andy Wood mention = major fail.

Rambis35 · January 2012

DewieCox wrote:

Lost In Ohio wrote:

IMO, "alternative" didn't really come until later. That's sort of "softer" rock that isn't metal or hard rock.

90s "alternative" really fits three molds. You have the grunge from the early 90s, stuff like Hole and Cake from the mid 90's, then you have the later 90s alternative, which was stuff like Third Eye Blind, Blink-182, Everclear, etc.

Does this seem way off to anybody else? I was pretty young in the early 90s so I could be mistaken.

Yeah, a band like Jane's Addiction Is who I consider a pioneer of alternative rock. I also think of Pearl Jam and Nirvana as more alternative than the bands mentioned above. Third Eye Blind and Blink-182 are just bad pop-"punk" bands to me.

Of The Aggie · January 2012

I've watched this series from the beginning and have been pretty disappointed in it. Every episode seems to only feature two bands and others just get a mention. I guess it's just who he was able to get interviews with but it just seems lacking. And as someone else mentioned when he falsely said Pearl Jam had gone on hiatus and basically acted as if they stopped making music altogether, then I got a little put off by the Grunge episode.

halv · April 2012

Just in case anyone hasn't seen it yet, you can watch the whole series here:
http://www.muchmore.ca/metal-evolution/ ... 107-grunge

Some great interviews, especially with Soundgarden.

JOEJOEJOE · April 2012

I love this show....the host is very intelligent, and they go very deep into their topics...very insightful interviews.

norm · July 2012

saw this last night...interesting...cool to see interviews with mark arm, melvins etc...i think "grunge" has a place in metal but to me it's more punk than metal

and the clips of creed and nickleback was probably the first time in 15 years that i've heard those bands...man are they overwhelmingly bland...which as they basically admitted is what they were after but damn, did listening to that give me a headache

Metal Evolution: Grunge

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