ron vs mitt

Nevermind90
Nevermind90 Posts: 722
edited January 2012 in A Moving Train
Few fact;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTLET9FM ... e=youtu.be

"30% of People Who Watch This Whole Presentation Change Their Vote!"
http://ronvsmitt.com/?YouTube_Ad

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  • Nevermind90
    Nevermind90 Posts: 722
    watch it!
    ~ Enjoy The Struggle
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    the second video is fantastic.

    how anyone supports the other knuckleheads is beyond me
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  • whygohome
    whygohome Posts: 2,305
    If he does not win the Republican nomination, which he won't, he must enter the race as a third-party candidate. He won't win, but he will change the conversation and the dynamic of the political/social discourse in this country.
    He's not a Ross Perot. His inclusion in the debates would be monumental.
  • inlet13
    inlet13 Posts: 1,979
    whygohome wrote:
    If he does not win the Republican nomination, which he won't, he must enter the race as a third-party candidate. He won't win, but he will change the conversation and the dynamic of the political/social discourse in this country.
    He's not a Ross Perot. His inclusion in the debates would be monumental.


    Why "must he"?

    I bet he won't run independent. His goal is to shape the Republican party platform, AND hope to win the nomination. If he loses the nomination, and ran outside the party he would simply secure President Obama's reelection, that would change nothing. In doing that he would make his message Nader-esque, he wouldn't change party platforms, or alter the direction of the country in any way.

    The threat to run independent (which he will possess until the nomination) is a good thing because if Romney gets the nod, Ron Paul will trade running as and Independent for Romney adhering in some way to Ron's message on this or that.... and to me, that's a small plus.... especially if it's in regards to the Fed.

    Do I want that though? No. I want Ron Paul to win... and I still think it could happen.
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    inlet13 wrote:
    Why "must he"?

    I bet he won't run independent. His goal is to shape the Republican party platform, AND hope to win the nomination. If he loses the nomination, and ran outside the party he would simply secure President Obama's reelection, that would change nothing. In doing that he would make his message Nader-esque, he wouldn't change party platforms, or alter the direction of the country in any way.

    The threat to run independent (which he will possess until the nomination) is a good thing because if Romney gets the nod, Ron Paul will trade running as and Independent for Romney adhering in some way to Ron's message on this or that.... and to me, that's a small plus.... especially if it's in regards to the Fed.

    Do I want that though? No. I want Ron Paul to win... and I still think it could happen.

    ron paul cannot change what the GOP has become ... i would say that Ron Paul running as an independent would actually hurt Obama more than Romney ... the primary reason he needs to run as an independent is to continue to have his voice heard at a time when people most listen ...
  • EZ1221C
    EZ1221C Posts: 2,645
    While I don't agree with everything Ron Paul believes, I would definitely vote for Paul over any of the republican candidates and most likely President Obama. I believe that Obama was the right choice in 2008, but to me Ron Paul is the right choice for us today.
    PLAY THE SOUTH
  • inlet13
    inlet13 Posts: 1,979
    polaris_x wrote:
    inlet13 wrote:
    Why "must he"?

    I bet he won't run independent. His goal is to shape the Republican party platform, AND hope to win the nomination. If he loses the nomination, and ran outside the party he would simply secure President Obama's reelection, that would change nothing. In doing that he would make his message Nader-esque, he wouldn't change party platforms, or alter the direction of the country in any way.

    The threat to run independent (which he will possess until the nomination) is a good thing because if Romney gets the nod, Ron Paul will trade running as and Independent for Romney adhering in some way to Ron's message on this or that.... and to me, that's a small plus.... especially if it's in regards to the Fed.

    Do I want that though? No. I want Ron Paul to win... and I still think it could happen.

    ron paul cannot change what the GOP has become ... i would say that Ron Paul running as an independent would actually hurt Obama more than Romney ... the primary reason he needs to run as an independent is to continue to have his voice heard at a time when people most listen ...


    I completely disagree on every portion.

    He/we can change what the GOP has become, we can help him by supporting him. This won't happen overnight, however. I think him running as an independent would help Obama more than Romney and... finally, I disagree that he needs to run as an independent to continue to have his voice heard. If he puts up a good fight and loses, and trades not running as an independent for policy (even if it's not grand)... his voice will not only be heard, it will be implemented.

    This guy has a following that both Obama and Romney would want. They both have to try to get it. He has the power there. I think he's learned from Nader what a dumb idea third party candidacy is (in this environment) as far as getting anything accomplished.
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    inlet13 wrote:
    I completely disagree on every portion.

    He/we can change what the GOP has become, we can help him by supporting him. This won't happen overnight, however. I think him running as an independent would help Obama more than Romney and... finally, I disagree that he needs to run as an independent to continue to have his voice heard. If he puts up a good fight and loses, and trades not running as an independent for policy (even if it's not grand)... his voice will not only be heard, it will be implemented.

    This guy has a following that both Obama and Romney would want. They both have to try to get it. He has the power there. I think he's learned from Nader what a dumb idea third party candidacy is (in this environment) as far as getting anything accomplished.

    would the public know who ralph nader is if he didn't run for presidency!?? ... and ralph nader did not cost gore the presidency ...

    just look at the candidates that considered themselves worthy of being president the GOP had ... the party is a joke - ron paul has been railroaded by the establishment from the get go ... the GOP has not adopted one singular policy platform from ron paul nor will they ... when he finally loses this nomination battle - it will be a shame if he goes back to being a fringe congressman ...

    and i know he's but one person ... ez1221c is an example of the voter i think exists that would actually swing in favour of romney ...
  • EZ1221C
    EZ1221C Posts: 2,645
    polaris_x wrote:

    and i know he's but one person ... ez1221c is an example of the voter i think exists that would actually swing in favour of romney ...
    no offense man, but you are dead wrong on this one. I think Romney is slime. If it came down to Romney vs. Obama, I think I would rather eat my vote, or vote for someone like Ron Paul or Gary Johnson as an independent. I consider myself a pretty liberal person, especially socially, but I do not agree with many things President Obama has done or failed to do, and would sooner vote for someone who might bring about true change.
    PLAY THE SOUTH
  • whygohome
    whygohome Posts: 2,305
    EZ1221C wrote:
    I consider myself a pretty liberal person, especially socially, but I do not agree with many things President Obama has done or failed to do, and would sooner vote for someone who might bring about true change.

    Like what?
    I'm interested in what a "pretty liberal person" feels is a failure, and why she/he wouldn't vote for Obama again.
  • EZ1221C
    EZ1221C Posts: 2,645
    whygohome wrote:
    EZ1221C wrote:
    I consider myself a pretty liberal person, especially socially, but I do not agree with many things President Obama has done or failed to do, and would sooner vote for someone who might bring about true change.

    Like what?
    I'm interested in what a "pretty liberal person" feels is a failure, and why she/he wouldn't vote for Obama again.

    For one, I don't agree with the indefinite detention section of NDAA. He hasn't closed Guantanamo and still hasn't got troops out of Afghanistan. Solyndra scandal, US intervention in Libya, has done nothing to bring US closer to energy independence, has continued to support Israel regardless of situation, has done nothing to shrink the military and defense budget. It has all been his fault either, but me, he hasn't been the strongest leader. For a long time, he let John Boehner smack him around. I by no means think he is a failure, but I think at this point, we need to policing the world, something that Obama has continued. Obama certainly has had his successes, like health care, and the stimulus, but I want the US to get its dick out of places like Afghanistan where it doesn't belong. I like what Obama tried to do when coming into office by extending talks to Muslim nations, but it hasn't been enough because, as at least in my mind, we are creeping close to war with Iran.

    For me the biggest issues are foreign policy, the economy, and energy independence. Foreign policy and energy independence really go hand in hand, as our need for oil dictates our involvement overseas. I would rather vote for Ron Paul in this regard because he would end our involvement overseas, at least from a military standpoint.

    Regarding my political views, I am extremely liberal socially and pretty moderate economically.

    I guess looking ahead I would vote for Obama in 2012 over Mitt, but it would be a much tougher decision if it came down to Ron Paul and Obama.
    PLAY THE SOUTH
  • inlet13
    inlet13 Posts: 1,979
    Read this:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204616504577171092068727100.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories

    ...this is an example of someone who's pro-establishment GOP and their take on Ron Paul. The irony is, although their perception of the man is awful, I do think they got his game plan down somewhat. It's worth a read.

    polaris_x wrote:

    would the public know who ralph nader is if he didn't run for presidency!?? ... and ralph nader did not cost gore the presidency ...

    Ralph Nader may have been less known had he not run third party, but his ideas were not implemented either way (end of story). So, I guess you need to ask... what's more important,... becoming a celebrity? or altering the direction of American policy? If Ron Paul runs third party, he will increase his celebrity, cut himself off entirely from a political party and change nothing in the end. If Ron Paul does what he's doing, he will impact policy... either directly or in exchange for his delegates.

    Ralph Nader did cost Gore the Presidency IMHO.

    Personally, I think Ron Paul is not as much anti-Romney as he is anti-Newt, anti-Santorum and anti-Obama. So, I think he could tolerate Romney as a President and if Romney signed off on some of the Ron Paul platform(s), in doing so... he would release his delegates and would support him. But, I'll be honest... I don't really know his feelings on the other candidates... that's just my bet on it. I wouldn't even be surprised to see Rand Paul considered as a VP candidate.
    polaris_x wrote:
    just look at the candidates that considered themselves worthy of being president the GOP had ... the party is a joke - ron paul has been railroaded by the establishment from the get go ... the GOP has not adopted one singular policy platform from ron paul nor will they ... when he finally loses this nomination battle - it will be a shame if he goes back to being a fringe congressman ...

    I'm not disagreeing that the Republican candidates are weak, with perhaps the exception of Romney and Paul. I mean Newt and Santorum make me vomit... as does Obama. Romney, just makes me throw up in my mouth (I got to spit it out). And I do agree that Ron Paul has been railroaded... I mean these last two debates were front and center examples of that.

    But, the GOP has not had reason to adopt a policy platform from Paul, although they "ever-so-slightly" got behind his audit the Fed calls. In other words, Paul never proved why the GOP had to. He can do that now, by gathering delegates and also showing off his youth/grassroots supporters.
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    And I do agree that Ron Paul has been railroaded... I mean these last two debates were front and center examples of that.

    how was Paul railroaded in last night's debate...?
  • VINNY GOOMBA
    VINNY GOOMBA Posts: 1,827
    inmytree wrote:
    And I do agree that Ron Paul has been railroaded... I mean these last two debates were front and center examples of that.

    how was Paul railroaded in last night's debate...?

    Post debate coverage of Paul went 60 minutes before his name was even mentioned.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    VINNY GOOMBA wrote:
    inmytree wrote:
    And I do agree that Ron Paul has been railroaded... I mean these last two debates were front and center examples of that.

    how was Paul railroaded in last night's debate...?

    Post debate coverage of Paul went 60 minutes before his name was even mentioned.

    so...? that was after the debate...I'm asking how he was railroaded during the debate...which was the charge levied...

    To be honest, I watched maybe 15 to 20 minutes of the debate and Paul was able to say the same thing he always does...
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    inmytree wrote:
    And I do agree that Ron Paul has been railroaded... I mean these last two debates were front and center examples of that.

    how was Paul railroaded in last night's debate...?



    the CROWD had to CHANT HIS NAME for him to get a chance to answer a MEDICAL QUESTION. they had to do it TWICE.
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    inmytree wrote:
    And I do agree that Ron Paul has been railroaded... I mean these last two debates were front and center examples of that.

    how was Paul railroaded in last night's debate...?



    the CROWD had to CHANT HIS NAME for him to get a chance to answer a MEDICAL QUESTION. they had to do it TWICE.

    did he get a chance to answer....? and what did he say that was different than "get the gov't out of it"...?
  • inlet13
    inlet13 Posts: 1,979
    inmytree wrote:
    And I do agree that Ron Paul has been railroaded... I mean these last two debates were front and center examples of that.

    how was Paul railroaded in last night's debate...?

    You obviously didn't watch the debate...

    He had two questions directed at him in the first hour of the debate... Two. I'm betting the questions directed at the other three ranged anywhere from 5-15 questions.

    Also, John King went right down the line twice (on healthcare and abortion questions) asking each candidate and skipped Ron Paul (the one who's a Doctor). The crowd got so angry with it, they boo'd mid-debate.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,951
    Oh here we go again..... :lol:

    Ron Paul - the redhead stepchild of the republican party.


    I'm just playing with you all, I do believe he has received less media coverage then he should have, but not to the degree and with the amount of whining that most of you do! :twisted:
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    inlet13 wrote:
    inmytree wrote:
    And I do agree that Ron Paul has been railroaded... I mean these last two debates were front and center examples of that.

    how was Paul railroaded in last night's debate...?

    You obviously didn't watch the debate...

    He had two questions directed at him in the first hour of the debate... Two. I'm betting the questions directed at the other three ranged anywhere from 5-15 questions.

    Also, John King went right down the line twice (on healthcare and abortion questions) asking each candidate and skipped Ron Paul (the one who's a Doctor). The crowd got so angry with it, they boo'd mid-debate.

    as I stated in another post, I watched about 15 to 20 mins of the debate...I saw him say the same thing he always says...

    I find it interesting that Paul is always a victim...nothing seems good enough for Paul supporters...

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