Why Eddie Vedder and Dave Matthews should collaborate.

Lost In Ohio · December 2011

rival. wrote:

drunk, rambling into the mic? sounds like the eddie vedder we have grown to love over the years

LOL!

PT107092 · December 2011

Wow first let me say thanks for all the responses. I completely understand the many opinions posted so far. As far as not liking Dave, I truly appreciate aesthetic differences and questions of taste are well always going to be debated (My roommate in college used to say Dave sounded like a muppet and Eddie was indecipherable). I would say we agree to disagree. I particularly appreciate the views on how the two singers sounds are so different and think that would make for part of the dynamic. Some of the greatest compilations have come from unlikely pairings.

I do think it is interesting to see how similar some (certainly not all) of their influences are shared. (Beatles, Dylan, Neil, Cash, Marley) I was in the mud at ACL to see both bands (on separate nights) and was thinking how cool it would be to hear them together. I was recently watching PJ20 and Dave in Europe and thinking about how their sounds had evolved so much over the years from my first experiences with them. I used to teach classes called One Sweet World:The politics and poetry of Dave Matthews, and Act UP! The Power of Protest Performance with Pearl Jam and I realized how much the artists had in common in the themes of their lyrics and in the political views they held. They are the Jungian archetypes of my generation the dark angst ridden poet who captures the seething undercurrent of rage of disgruntled middle class Americans and the happy live life in the moment troubador who sings about our desire to revel and party like there is no tomorrow. But over time there music has come closer after the murder of Dave's sister and his bout with depression his music took on deeply dark overtones of Bartender and Big Eyed Fish and with Eddie's age came the mellow beauty of such songs as Just Breathe and Society.

Many of you have mentioned their concert experience, which is of course the purest form of their music. I don't consider myself a concert veteran (with only 11 PJ shows and 23 DMB/D&T/Dave solo shows) compared to the many of you who have posted, but I think seeing their shows is the closest thing to a religious experience in my life. I started out as a drunken college student at their shows but have since gone on to take my students to them and sit in the fan club seats (away from the drunks on the lawn

) and now as the father of two boys (4 yrs old, and 9 months old) I look forward to being able to take them as well. I believe the point I was trying to make that it seems hard to find two performers who have lasted and still have a broad appeal to fans both young and veteran. I look forward to more of your posts.

Tboz51 · December 2011

Can your next reply have paragraphs please?

It is tough to read.

I'd like to see all your thoughts.

DS1119 · December 2011

Tboz51 wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

DMB concerts are great if you want to hang out with a bunch of high school girls and male cheerleaders.

I got spirit, yes I do. I got got spirit and apparently you don't too?

No pyramid photo opt with you on top sir!

DewieCox · December 2011

rival. wrote:

PJ shows are FULL of frat boy and meatheads. been to plenty of shows where you could have mistaken the crowd for a DMB crowd. just saying...

Yep

AiCPearlJamWeen wrote:

Ed is above and beyond him on a musical levelIMO.

Not even close. Dave is about 5x the guitar player that Ed is. Ed is mostly open chords and beginner level finger picking.

Tboz51 · December 2011

DS1119 wrote:

Tboz51 wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

DMB concerts are great if you want to hang out with a bunch of high school girls and male cheerleaders.

I got spirit, yes I do. I got got spirit and apparently you don't too?

No pyramid photo opt with you on top sir!

You cheertator!

PT107092 · December 2011

Tboz51 wrote:

Can your next reply have paragraphs please?

It is tough to read.

I'd like to see all your thoughts.

You got it my apologies was feeding my baby and just freetyping.

PT107092 · December 2011

InHiding19 wrote:

Your telling me Phish has done less than Dave. What about selling 80,000 ticekts to festivals with only them on the bill. Last I checked Dave's fest had a full bill of other bands. Plus Dave sucks. Ed wouldn't be caught dead with him.

Ticket sales are not for me the full measure of a band's artistry, and I certainly would not want to use this forum as a DMB apologia but...
http://www.pollstar.com/blogs/news/arch ... 02459.aspx

I love Phish as well and truly enjoyed watching Trey and Dave together.
http://image.pollstar.com/WeblogFiles/p ... 300_v1.jpg

As far as Dave sucking I can't argue with your opinion, I just have to differ.

As far as Ed not being caught dead with him see-
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt ... m=1&itbs=1

NHiding · December 2011

How has this thread not been locked yet?

PT107092 · December 2011

Kanye East wrote:

Thats how you wanted to make your 1st post?

Kanye it's funny you mention that. I have been a fan club member for a while now and a fan even longer and I just never thought to post even while teaching my classes on the bands and going to shows. Call it a sad oversight. Lately I have become something of a political oped writer and thought, I should probably post on my favorite music sites and share with my fellow fans and PJ family. If anyone wishes to read some of my opeds try http://www.roanoke.com/editorials/commentary/wb/302647

Something Man · December 2011

I would enjoy seeing the two collaborate...for sure.

PT107092 · December 2011

BabaBooey1979 wrote:

Hhaha. I'm a fan but that band is like kryptonite on these boards.

I'll bet they collaborate soon. Mike and Stephan Have done some work together haven't they??

Baba, you seem to have hit on something with the kryptonite reference

As far as Mike and Stefan they have collaborated with members of Fuel in a group dubbed 1,2,3, GO!
see: http://www.dmbnews.net/2011/01/1-2-3-go ... se-of.html
http://www.relix.com/news/2011/01/24/st ... t-sundance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejovcVQRBcM

Wobbie · December 2011

Plankton wrote:

I remember after getting into DMB, then saw them live a couple of times...

The guy's such a douche. Such a sleaze, absolutely hated him after seeing them in London a year or two ago.

AiCPearlJamWeen wrote:

"Dave gets wasted on stage and you never know what he'll say or do.."

wouldn't be a fan of a collaboration...but I've seen DMB maybe 5 times and never remember Dave being drunk...or a douche.

dial down the hate a little...it doesn't become you.

PT107092 · December 2011

pjsyco wrote:

While I respect DMB and their fans, I hope that this never happens. I guess it's like when all of my friends tell me Pearl Jam sucks, this is the exact way I feel about Dave Matthews. Never really got into them.

Some of you would probably call me crazy, but lately I have been listening to a lot of old country music, Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, Merle Haggard, not that pop, slick bullshit (Kenny Chesney, etc.) that the masses are listening to today, the old stuff. I would love to hear Ed collaborate with some old school country music singers. I think that would be kind of cool.

You know I too love the classic country that was anti-Nashville sound. I am sure you have heard Eddie's 25 Minutes to Go, but if you haven't heard his Hurt (technically a Trent Reznor but most associated with Cash) it is magnificent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anoMp-zDdkA

I think it is interesting that this is yet another link between Eddie and Dave, with Dave recording with Cash on For You http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20NlNLPyR1U as well as covering Long Black Veil (often with Emmylou Harris). Dave has played tons of stuff with Willie through Farm Aid and covers one of my favorite Willie tunes Ain't it Funny How Time Slips Away. He says he wrote Crush after being inspired by Willie. They also have collaborated on Gravedigger.

As far as Merle I'm not sure if his politics would jive with Eddie and Dave's. But would be cool.

Anarmyofpeace · December 2011

I respect your opinion but this would be a nightmare for me. I judt can't listen to DMB. Been to two of their live shows and I disliked them more upon leaving each of them. I can't really explain why but I just couldn't stand them. Maybe it was all the people standing around and talking the entire show. I felt like I was at some kind of 'meet and greet' social event and I didn't intend to meet anyone.

I really hate that some people think they're even comparable. Just my opinion.

PT107092 · December 2011

Bird889 wrote:

sorry, its not that I don't like Dave's music, but their styles are so different I can't imagine it working.

I would like to see any of the following though, something more than singing back up or jumping on stage for a song.

Ed and Michael Stipe. I think these two really like and respect each other

I appreciate the stylistic difference point that has been made by several posters and as a fan agree that their styles are completely different but I think as talented musicians sharing common ground about being in two of the biggest musical acts of twenty years that it would prove interesting. Who would have thought Johnny Cash could record with Joe Strummer...

Anything Ed wanted to do with Stipe would be worth listening to. The funny thing is that my two favorite bands after PJ and DMB are U2 and REM. They were the bands I grew up with in the 80s that meant something to me and have played together for 30 years. I was broken hearted when REM finally called it quits this year.

To the other acts, my broader point was not simply great to hear play together, but the Storyteller component and retrospective on 20 years of music particularly their thoughts on the industry, influences, contemporary musicians... Not simply a concert but an inside view of these two key artists.

PT107092 · December 2011

Anarmyofpeace wrote:

I respect your opinion but this would be a nightmare for me. I judt can't listen to DMB. Been to two of their live shows and I disliked them more upon leaving each of them. I can't really explain why but I just couldn't stand them. Maybe it was all the people standing around and talking the entire show. I felt like I was at some kind of 'meet and greet' social event and I didn't intend to meet anyone.

I really hate that some people think they're even comparable. Just my opinion.

You know it is true and disheartening to be at a show where everyone is talking through ballads, new songs or on their phones. I do not disagree that there is a distasteful element at large concerts particularly DMB shows, but I have been fortunate at both PJ and DMB shows to have seats in sections with genuine fans of the bands usually around my age as well (38 gulp :oops: )

Uncle Snuffy · December 2011

Jamminonthe1 wrote:

I pray for the exact opposite.

I'd have to agree with your statement. I just don't see this being a good collaboration....

- Uncle Snuffy

goldrush · December 2011

This would be the only way I'd like to see Ed 'collaborate' with DM:

http://youtu.be/4Uev9UYZjKA

Tboz51 · December 2011

Maybe DM should collaborate with Brazilian Eddie Vedder?

DS1119 · December 2011

Tboz51 wrote:

Maybe DM should collaborate with Brazilian Eddie Vedder?

RobertH86 · December 2011

Tboz51 wrote:

Maybe DM should collaborate with Brazilian Eddie Vedder?

I would say this would be a better match.

"On the real," though, I've seen DMB twice(free tickets), both times at the gorge, and was not impressed. Unfortunately I HAVEN'T seen PJ at the gorge, but would much rather spend my time listening to the boxset than ever going to another DMB concert

fox_mulderX · December 2011

i hate dave matthews band. when it comes to 90s music i think they're the lowest of the low... even lower than bush and hole (not a sexual innuendo). seriously, how does anyone listen to them and not cringe and/or laugh? he's such a dick, his lyrics are awful, his voice could make the deaf cringe, and the music is shit. absolute shit. i know this is wrong but i have a strong tendency to judge bands by their fan base (i think many people are guilty of this) and i have never met a dave matthews fan that hasn't annoyed the piss out of me. frat boys and soccer moms (i don't care if a soccer mom reads this). keep dave matthews in your mini vans along side bon jovi and john mayer where it belongs.

DS1119 · December 2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd4O5jXKPeQ

"issuing a giant fuck you to my future"!!

Kathi · December 2011

I hadn't really heard of DMB before bridge school this year, and they weren't bad live, but it's just not my kind of music. and yeah, the bon jovi fans and soccer moms comment was pretty spot on.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · December 2011

fox_mulderX wrote:

i hate dave matthews band. when it comes to 90s music i think they're the lowest of the low... even lower than bush and hole (not a sexual innuendo). seriously, how does anyone listen to them and not cringe and/or laugh? he's such a dick, his lyrics are awful, his voice could make the deaf cringe, and the music is shit. absolute shit. i know this is wrong but i have a strong tendency to judge bands by their fan base (i think many people are guilty of this) and i have never met a dave matthews fan that hasn't annoyed the piss out of me. frat boys and soccer moms (i don't care if a soccer mom reads this). keep dave matthews in your mini vans along side bon jovi and john mayer where it belongs.

I'm a DMB fan. So, guilty by affiliation, you've labelled me as annoying. While this might be true, it is not so evident as the fact that you, sir, may just be an internet buffoon of the classic mold. Anyone can make generalizations. For example, judging by your prose, one could make an inference that you are the proud owner of one truck, one dog, and one tooth. I mean, just look at your writing skills: did you know you were supposed to capitalize the beginning of each sentence? Geez man.

fox_mulderX · December 2011

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

fox_mulderX wrote:

i hate dave matthews band. when it comes to 90s music i think they're the lowest of the low... even lower than bush and hole (not a sexual innuendo). seriously, how does anyone listen to them and not cringe and/or laugh? he's such a dick, his lyrics are awful, his voice could make the deaf cringe, and the music is shit. absolute shit. i know this is wrong but i have a strong tendency to judge bands by their fan base (i think many people are guilty of this) and i have never met a dave matthews fan that hasn't annoyed the piss out of me. frat boys and soccer moms (i don't care if a soccer mom reads this). keep dave matthews in your mini vans along side bon jovi and john mayer where it belongs.

I'm a DMB fan. So, guilty by affiliation, you've labelled me as annoying. While this might be true, it is not so evident as the fact that you, sir, may just be an internet buffoon of the classic mold. Anyone can make generalizations. For example, judging by your prose, one could make an inference that you are the proud owner of one truck, one dog, and one tooth. I mean, just look at your writing skills: did you know you were supposed to capitalize the beginning of each sentence? Geez man.

thank you for proving my point : )

Thirty Bills Unpaid · December 2011

fox_mulderX wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

fox_mulderX wrote:

i hate dave matthews band. when it comes to 90s music i think they're the lowest of the low... even lower than bush and hole (not a sexual innuendo). seriously, how does anyone listen to them and not cringe and/or laugh? he's such a dick, his lyrics are awful, his voice could make the deaf cringe, and the music is shit. absolute shit. i know this is wrong but i have a strong tendency to judge bands by their fan base (i think many people are guilty of this) and i have never met a dave matthews fan that hasn't annoyed the piss out of me. frat boys and soccer moms (i don't care if a soccer mom reads this). keep dave matthews in your mini vans along side bon jovi and john mayer where it belongs.

I'm a DMB fan. So, guilty by affiliation, you've labelled me as annoying. While this might be true, it is not so evident as the fact that you, sir, may just be an internet buffoon of the classic mold. Anyone can make generalizations. For example, judging by your prose, one could make an inference that you are the proud owner of one truck, one dog, and one tooth. I mean, just look at your writing skills: did you know you were supposed to capitalize the beginning of each sentence? Geez man.

oh okay, i'll work on my grammar skills. question: you wrote "were supposed to capitalize"... does that mean i only have to capitalize after the fact?

Semantics and grammar isn't really the disagreement here. I am a Warehouse member as well. If someone was knocking PJ on the forums there, I would not leave their utterings unchallenged. Lots of people talk about Phish and other bands on this site that I couldn't care less about; however, I do not ruthlessly bash them or the band (for a number of reasons). If I did, I would expect a retort that might be less than friendly.

I really like DMB and I really like PJ. Two of my favourite bands for sure. It's disappointing you do not share the exact tastes as myself, however, I am glad we can agree that PJ is one of the best bands out there.

Tboz51 · December 2011

DS1119 wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd4O5jXKPeQ

"issuing a giant fuck you to my future"!!

My wife may check me into a psyche ward because of that video.

:wtf: :crazy:

"his cartoonish voice..."

DS1119 · December 2011

Tboz51 wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd4O5jXKPeQ

"issuing a giant fuck you to my future"!!

My wife may check me into a psyche ward because of that video.

:wtf: :crazy:

"his cartoonish voice..."

what would you say?

Why Eddie Vedder and Dave Matthews should collaborate.

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