Honestly, if keeping this from getting an oscar nomination helps the parents of the victims have some peace of mind then ban the film from the oscars because who cares about an award anyway.
What about the parents who think the WM3 are innocent and still want justice to be served? What about their piece of mind? This film could bring more attention to the case and eventually lead to catching the real killer(s).
They are never going to catch the real killer. We all know who done it but the police don't care. Lets stop the ignorance for a second and just be real.....the dude got away with killing those kids. I hardly think the parents who now believe the WM3 are innocent are gonna be like, well now that the film maker won an award then little stevie's death was worth it. Obviously the parents who believe the WM3 were guilty are reeling right now and hurting so bad that they are trying everything to get some sort of relief and if getting a film from winning an award helps them then I'd say yeah sure lets help them. Because again....who the fuck really cares about an award???????????????
Well these parents of this murdered boy still think they are guilty
so no justice has been served for them.
Now if the real killer or killers could be brought to justice and
a documentary done perhaps they would then feel different.
This is the outcome I hope for and perhaps waiting until this takes place
could be a compromise.
I understand how they feel, this is a living nightmare for them,
one now without a conclusion. A lifetime of pain they are living.
The real killers need to be punished ... I hope many are working on that.
read the book devil's knot.
then you will know why the plea deal was done the way it was and why noone will ever be brought to justice for the murders
I have not read that book
I have watched the documentaries and read a little of articles
I'm not real good reading true crime, heck even fiction crime ... I fall apart
the thought of the real killer or killers never being brought to justice
is sickening.
As many people who think these young men were falsely imprisoned, there are those who feel the law had the correct people behind bars. I'm not saying I'm one of these people, I'm saying what we should at least acknowledge this if one should discuss the topic.
This is why I posted this. There def are people, this boys parents, who firmly believe they had the right people.
A lot of people think Terry Wayne Hobbs, stepfather of Stevie Branch killed the three kids. I think I heard his ex-wife even has suspiscions now. She used to believe the WM3 did it until recently, now shes convinced they didn't. Along with Mark Byers, stepfather of another boy doesn't believe the WM3 are guilty anymore.
The fact they found one of Terry's hairs in the shoelace knots which bound one of the kids and this deposition definitely has me leaning that way as well...
It makes a hell of a lot more sense than three teenage kids (one borderline mentally retarded) in a satanic cult sacrificing three kids without leaving a shred of physical evidence behind.
For argument's sake, explaining a hair from a shoelace that came from your home might be a lot more easy to do than to try and explain how one might know intimate (and gruesome) details about the crime (stuff that was never made public).
I am going to try and leave this one alone now. I find I am continually casting doubt on the boys. To be honest, I still have my doubts, but as I have said before... I am an outsider influenced by what I read. I have read stuff that both raises doubt and condemns the boys. I'm not in the position to really say- my original post was (while acknowledging that the right thing was likely done) suggesting that some people who were close to the case felt that the boys were guilty.
They are never going to catch the real killer. We all know who done it but the police don't care. Lets stop the ignorance for a second and just be real.....the dude got away with killing those kids. I hardly think the parents who now believe the WM3 are innocent are gonna be like, well now that the film maker won an award then little stevie's death was worth it. Obviously the parents who believe the WM3 were guilty are reeling right now and hurting so bad that they are trying everything to get some sort of relief and if getting a film from winning an award helps them then I'd say yeah sure lets help them. Because again....who the fuck really cares about an award???????????????
Who ever said anything about Stevie's death being worth it? That's a ridiculous conclusion. The fact is, not all of the parents believe the WM3 killed the boys. Only one pair of the parents is trying to put an end to this, 2 other parents believe they are innocent and have suspicions of Terry Hobbs.
Would the WM3 be out of jail right now if these same film makers didn't make the first two documentaries? Very doubtful.
According to several published reports, Echols made mention of urine in the stomaches of the boys to interviewing officers early in the investigative process. This fact was not disclosed to the public and at the time of the remark, made him a significant person of interest.
Only answering what you have asked of me. Whether valid or not, this 'item' is troubling to me.
question to thirtybills these reports which mention echols knew details about the case are from the west memphis police department? correct? the same police department which the stepfather of one was an informant and if convicted would release many people out of jail. look at the arrangements of the plea deal as evidence as well.
Would the WM3 be out of jail right now if these same film makers didn't make the first two documentaries?
Not a chance in hell.
And will winning an award for it make the documentary any better than it is without winning one?? :?
....and don't shovel the they might find the real killer if it wins. We all know who the real killer is (Hobbs) and the police could obviously care less. What I'm basically saying is take your award shows and shove em' up your asshole, they mean n.o.t.h.i.n.g. Also I don't need you to run down the info of the case I have followed it for 15 years and believe the WM3 were completely innocent from day 1.
The evidence that I find hard to just simply overlook and completely ignore from a distance include the confession, the statements made by Nichols regarding facts about the case that he normally should not have known, and the circumstantial evidence related to microfibers as well as Nichols 'less than stable' personal history prior to the event. I know what the classic dismissals for each of these are so save the comment- these items by themselves at least warrant a mild level of suspicion.
With the aforementioned said, I am not an expert. Far from it. What I can say is that it would at least appear that many people have managed to create 'possibilities' for alternative scenarios which may or may not be likely- casting doubt (including my own) of the boys' involvement. For example, whether right or wrong, the bloody knife of the stepfather has managed to raise the eyebrows of some. Yet, the nature of the crime seems to point at multiple parties involved in committing it.
There is a story there. I don't know what it is. I really can only formulate my opinion based on what I have read. If the boys were indeed not responsible, they needed to be freed. This is what has occurred so I can truly accept it as the right thing to have happened; however, I think it is fair to say that the media and messages we receive tend to sway public opinion. Initially, the public was convinced the three were the culprits and now, with various efforts, a flip-flop of public sentiment has manifested itself.
I am not trying to argue with you. I hope that the right thing has occurred. I feel terrible for the parents. It shames me to be human (in particular a male one) when I read of cases such as these and am presented with further ones- a young girl is currently missing from my community and, while holding hope, I am outraged.
Suspicious things are not hard facts. Nichols is a mentally challenged kid who was bullied into giving incorrect information about the murders... hence saying it happened during the day when the boys were at school.
You aren't arguing with me, you are just saying there is suspicion in the case (I understand that). I am sure with enough circumstantial evidence I could get a conviction of Ghandi.
The parents (in my opinion) want to believe what they want to believe.
A documentary creates interest in this case. It doesn't glorify any of the three and Echols has said point blank the the wants to continue till he finds the real killer/killers.
Keeping the case alive is a good thing for the parents of the victims.
Perhaps some day they will get the correct answers they seek?
Nichols was not mentally challenged- Misskelley was. Nichols was a troubled youth with a very questionable past. I seriously think that it would be difficult getting a conviction of Ghandi when damning circumstantial evidence wasn't enough to convict OJ Simpson.
Who is "Nichols?" Last I checked, this case involved Damien Echols, Jesse Misskelley Jr., and Jason Baldwin. But that's just me...
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I have watched the documentaries and read a little of articles
I'm not real good reading true crime, heck even fiction crime ... I fall apart
the thought of the real killer or killers never being brought to justice
is sickening.
For argument's sake, explaining a hair from a shoelace that came from your home might be a lot more easy to do than to try and explain how one might know intimate (and gruesome) details about the crime (stuff that was never made public).
I am going to try and leave this one alone now. I find I am continually casting doubt on the boys. To be honest, I still have my doubts, but as I have said before... I am an outsider influenced by what I read. I have read stuff that both raises doubt and condemns the boys. I'm not in the position to really say- my original post was (while acknowledging that the right thing was likely done) suggesting that some people who were close to the case felt that the boys were guilty.
Who ever said anything about Stevie's death being worth it? That's a ridiculous conclusion. The fact is, not all of the parents believe the WM3 killed the boys. Only one pair of the parents is trying to put an end to this, 2 other parents believe they are innocent and have suspicions of Terry Hobbs.
Would the WM3 be out of jail right now if these same film makers didn't make the first two documentaries? Very doubtful.
No idea what you're talking about, please enlighten me.
Only answering what you have asked of me. Whether valid or not, this 'item' is troubling to me.
And will winning an award for it make the documentary any better than it is without winning one?? :?
....and don't shovel the they might find the real killer if it wins. We all know who the real killer is (Hobbs) and the police could obviously care less. What I'm basically saying is take your award shows and shove em' up your asshole, they mean n.o.t.h.i.n.g. Also I don't need you to run down the info of the case I have followed it for 15 years and believe the WM3 were completely innocent from day 1.
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Who is "Nichols?" Last I checked, this case involved Damien Echols, Jesse Misskelley Jr., and Jason Baldwin. But that's just me...
2003-06-16 St. Paul
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2007-08-05 Chicago
2009-08-23 Chicago
2009-08-28 San Francisco
2010-05-01 NOLA (Jazz Fest)
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2011-09-03 PJ20
2011-09-04 PJ20
2011-09-17 Winnipeg
2012-06-26 Amsterdam
2012-06-27 Amsterdam
2013-07-19 Wrigley
2013-11-21 San Diego
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2014-07-11 Milton Keynes, UK
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I wasn't trying to cause trouble, just trying to give my own opinion. I certainly misspoke.
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