Happy Thanksgiving- U don't work U won't eat. WOOT FOR NEWT!

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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    dignin wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    Probably the same as Obama's view.

    ouch, but probably true.

    romney said israel would be his first foreign trip if he became president ... not to his largest trading partner, not to their biggest ally in foreign policy, not to the country that holds all their debt ...

    the best you could hope for is ron paul who says its none of their business ...
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    polaris_x wrote:
    dignin wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    Probably the same as Obama's view.

    ouch, but probably true.

    romney said israel would be his first foreign trip if he became president ... not to his largest trading partner, not to their biggest ally in foreign policy, not to the country that holds all their debt ...

    the best you could hope for is ron paul who says its none of their business ...

    I like Pauls view on foreign policy, but I'm not in line with his more libertarian views. Watching that debate last night was scary.
  • MayDay Malone
    MayDay Malone Posts: 641
    MikePegg: I can't figure out the damn quote button once it goes over 3 quotes.

    I actually admire Paul's tenacity on the subject- he IS right, but Mitt and Newt were right as well. It is a fine line, and in the specifics of the law, we, like Newt and Paul, would probably come down on different sides on some things.

    Paul's reference to sacrificing liberty for security was a Ben Franklin quote," Those who would sacrifice (or trade) their liberty for security, deserve neither." I've always liked that quote, and you and Paul are correct that the Patriot Act does open that door. I guess the question is do we trust our gov't to be responsible in doing that, and not taking it too far.... Oh shit. i think I just talked myself out of supporting the Patriot Act.
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    polaris_x wrote:

    i find it interesting that none of the so called conservatives here have commented on your story ... the fact that it pretty much debunks their ideals is likely the reason but i thought someone would offer some insight ...

    all the while i'm guessing the senior execs at your old job didn't get laid off and likely got bonuses for making your job redundant ...


    debunks conservative ideals? how?
    a person wanted to work and tried to get a job. that isn't the people that are talked about when referencing people who can work but CHOOSE not to. there is a difference.
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    debunks conservative ideals? how?
    a person wanted to work and tried to get a job. that isn't the people that are talked about when referencing people who can work but CHOOSE not to. there is a difference.

    the how is in the way conservatives portray the many people who are in this situation ... how many people are out there who CHOOSE not to work!?? ...
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,161
    Jason P wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i would like to hear the answer to this as well.

    i am not derailing the thread, but if newt feels similar to this regarding the palestinians i do not want him in office. anyone know his views?
    Probably the same as Obama's view.
    i somehow doubt that newt would publicly say that israel's continued settlement expansion is the main barrier to resuming talks, as obama has on numerous occasions. if anything, he would blame the palestinians and as obama has done, continue to have our un envoy veto things at the un that are favorable to palestine.

    i would bet that newt, perry, mitt, all would be the first one to line up behind israel in attacking iran to take out their nuclear plants and change the regime...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,161
    polaris_x wrote:
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    debunks conservative ideals? how?
    a person wanted to work and tried to get a job. that isn't the people that are talked about when referencing people who can work but CHOOSE not to. there is a difference.

    the how is in the way conservatives portray the many people who are in this situation ... how many people are out there who CHOOSE not to work!?? ...
    i am sure the number of those that choose not to work is inflated in their rhetoric.

    kind of like how the conservatives are making voting more difficult in an effort to prevent "voter fraud". did you know that more people get struck by lightning in a year than commit voter fraud?? voter suppression is another fear tactic to take away from the real issues...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • MayDay Malone
    MayDay Malone Posts: 641
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i would like to hear the answer to this as well.

    i am not derailing the thread, but if newt feels similar to this regarding the palestinians i do not want him in office. anyone know his views?
    Probably the same as Obama's view.
    i somehow doubt that newt would publicly say that israel's continued settlement expansion is the main barrier to resuming talks, as obama has on numerous occasions. if anything, he would blame the palestinians and as obama has done, continue to have our un envoy veto things at the un that are favorable to palestine.

    i would bet that newt, perry, mitt, all would be the first one to line up behind israel in attacking iran to take out their nuclear plants and change the regime...


    Just watch a debate, then you wouldn't have to "bet", you would be informed. All these candidates talked about it last night.
    ;)
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i somehow doubt that newt would publicly say that israel's continued settlement expansion is the main barrier to resuming talks, as obama has on numerous occasions. if anything, he would blame the palestinians and as obama has done, continue to have our un envoy veto things at the un that are favorable to palestine.

    i would bet that newt, perry, mitt, all would be the first one to line up behind israel in attacking iran to take out their nuclear plants and change the regime...

    newt's a moderate really ... i don't think he is as pro-war as perry, santorum, romeny or bachmann
  • MayDay Malone
    MayDay Malone Posts: 641
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    debunks conservative ideals? how?
    a person wanted to work and tried to get a job. that isn't the people that are talked about when referencing people who can work but CHOOSE not to. there is a difference.

    the how is in the way conservatives portray the many people who are in this situation ... how many people are out there who CHOOSE not to work!?? ...
    i am sure the number of those that choose not to work is inflated in their rhetoric.

    kind of like how the conservatives are making voting more difficult in an effort to prevent "voter fraud". did you know that more people get struck by lightning in a year than commit voter fraud?? voter suppression is another fear tactic to take away from the real issues...


    Gotta a source/link for that voter fraud info?
  • MayDay Malone
    MayDay Malone Posts: 641
    polaris_x wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i somehow doubt that newt would publicly say that israel's continued settlement expansion is the main barrier to resuming talks, as obama has on numerous occasions. if anything, he would blame the palestinians and as obama has done, continue to have our un envoy veto things at the un that are favorable to palestine.

    i would bet that newt, perry, mitt, all would be the first one to line up behind israel in attacking iran to take out their nuclear plants and change the regime...

    newt's a moderate really ... i don't think he is as pro-war as perry, santorum, romeny or bachmann


    So you're sayin Newt's your guy, right?!!
    :D
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    dignin wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    dignin wrote:
    ouch, but probably true.

    romney said israel would be his first foreign trip if he became president ... not to his largest trading partner, not to their biggest ally in foreign policy, not to the country that holds all their debt ...

    the best you could hope for is ron paul who says its none of their business ...

    I like Pauls view on foreign policy, but I'm not in line with his more libertarian views. Watching that debate last night was scary.


    give it time, he is like a jedi master, those ideas will sneak into your head soon !!! That is how it started for me. I heard him not only repeat the same things over and over but saw a politician actually do what he said...was so strange I just had to like him

    I can understand the fear of libertarianism...I just think we have tried democrat and republicanism for so long and we are brought to this point...why not try something else?
    I think a complete change in policy from the top down is necessary to survive as a country...i fear where we will end up with someone in office the next 4 years who will or has shown a desire for military action, especially in a preemptive capacity.
    that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
    It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
    - Joe Rogan
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    MayDay Malone wrote:
    So you're sayin Newt's your guy, right?!!
    :D

    haha ... hell no ...
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    polaris_x wrote:
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    debunks conservative ideals? how?
    a person wanted to work and tried to get a job. that isn't the people that are talked about when referencing people who can work but CHOOSE not to. there is a difference.

    the how is in the way conservatives portray the many people who are in this situation ... how many people are out there who CHOOSE not to work!?? ...


    116,327.7

    who knows, the point I have in the discussion is that we shouldn't have a system that benefits them. ever. There should be a system set up that supports those willing to work but cannot. I have no problem with that, and I don't think any reasonable person would either...
    Your own assumption is that conservatives are talking about people like this in their discussion, and most aren't
    that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
    It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
    - Joe Rogan
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    MayDay Malone wrote:


    Why is it so hard for some to understand. Reformimg the child labor laws TO ALLOW CHILDREN TO WORK AT A YOUNGER AGE IF THEY WANT TO.

    Many inner-city children could earn money at a part-time job starting when they are 12 or 13. These children are the product of state-sponsored families, i.e welfare recipient, single-parent homes, etc., and could greatly benefit from the opportunity.

    But some here just speak, without EVER listening first.

    And some on here harbor real HATE for anyone who advocates self-reliance and responsibilities.

    I was arguing that he DOES advocate changing child labour laws, and you confirmed that, thanks. I never said anything about whether it was a choice or not...? But how noble of you to give children the choice of whether or not they'd like to work.
    Are you going to ensure that each of these kids are working by choice, being paid fairly (and allowed to keep the money), and given proper worker's rights? Because you realize that at 12, they are likely not prepared/able to stand up to an adult, right?

    you specify inner-city kids....So it's about getting single moms and welfare recipients get off your golden tit, right? I get it. You want to put the unfortunate circumstances, the mistakes, the shortcomings of parents onto their children. You want 12 year old kids to be self reliant and pay for their own food and shelter. BRILLIANT. Before you try to backpedal - how else would these families 'greatly benefit' from this? Can't believe I'm even having this discussion.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,161
    MayDay Malone wrote:
    Gotta a source/link for that voter fraud info?
    do you have an internet browser? it is easy to find, and i will post it when i get time to find it again.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,161
    MayDay Malone wrote:
    Gotta a source/link for that voter fraud info?
    http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/11/01-0

    http://loyalopposition.blogs.nytimes.co ... it-happen/

    http://www.brennancenter.org/content/re ... ter_fraud/

    http://www.brennancenter.org/content/re ... ed_voters/

    http://www.acslaw.org/acsblog/what-do-v ... -in-common

    there are more, and the one i read was a few months ago that i forgot what the source was. i'll keep looking. this is the best i could do in between patients.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • MayDay Malone
    MayDay Malone Posts: 641
    Drowned Out wrote:
    MayDay Malone wrote:


    Why is it so hard for some to understand. Reformimg the child labor laws TO ALLOW CHILDREN TO WORK AT A YOUNGER AGE IF THEY WANT TO.

    Many inner-city children could earn money at a part-time job starting when they are 12 or 13. These children are the product of state-sponsored families, i.e welfare recipient, single-parent homes, etc., and could greatly benefit from the opportunity.

    But some here just speak, without EVER listening first.

    And some on here harbor real HATE for anyone who advocates self-reliance and responsibilities.

    I was arguing that he DOES advocate changing child labour laws, and you confirmed that, thanks. I never said anything about whether it was a choice or not...? But how noble of you to give children the choice of whether or not they'd like to work.
    Are you going to ensure that each of these kids are working by choice, being paid fairly (and allowed to keep the money), and given proper worker's rights? Because you realize that at 12, they are likely not prepared/able to stand up to an adult, right?

    you specify inner-city kids....So it's about getting single moms and welfare recipients get off your golden tit, right? I get it. You want to put the unfortunate circumstances, the mistakes, the shortcomings of parents onto their children. You want 12 year old kids to be self reliant and pay for their own food and shelter. BRILLIANT. Before you try to backpedal - how else would these families 'greatly benefit' from this? Can't believe I'm even having this discussion.


    You could have just watched the debate, and then NEWT could've confirmed it for you... You would be informed. You wouldn't be asking me questions that the candidates answered last night.

    There is a lot of that on here today. People supposing what these candidates might do... worrying and fretting... blowin their top- all because they DON"T KNOW- because they DON'T LISTEN.

    Try participating in your country's primary process. It's a HOOT. WOOT for NEWT.
  • MayDay Malone
    MayDay Malone Posts: 641
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    MayDay Malone wrote:
    Gotta a source/link for that voter fraud info?
    http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/11/01-0

    http://loyalopposition.blogs.nytimes.co ... it-happen/

    http://www.brennancenter.org/content/re ... ter_fraud/

    http://www.brennancenter.org/content/re ... ed_voters/

    http://www.acslaw.org/acsblog/what-do-v ... -in-common

    there are more, and the one i read was a few months ago that i forgot what the source was. i'll keep looking. this is the best i could do in between patients.



    Thanks for the links. Will take a look.


    Wow, speak of the devil... 12 PEOPLE IN GA ARRESTED FOR VOTER FRAUD TODAY!

    http://www.walb.com/story/16104533/12-i ... oter-fraud


    Looks like more people will be struck by lightning now!! :lol:
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,161
    MayDay Malone wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    MayDay Malone wrote:
    Gotta a source/link for that voter fraud info?
    http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/11/01-0

    http://loyalopposition.blogs.nytimes.co ... it-happen/

    http://www.brennancenter.org/content/re ... ter_fraud/

    http://www.brennancenter.org/content/re ... ed_voters/

    http://www.acslaw.org/acsblog/what-do-v ... -in-common

    there are more, and the one i read was a few months ago that i forgot what the source was. i'll keep looking. this is the best i could do in between patients.



    Thanks for the links. Will take a look.


    Wow, speak of the devil... 12 PEOPLE IN GA ARRESTED FOR VOTER FRAUD TODAY!

    http://www.walb.com/story/16104533/12-i ... oter-fraud


    Looks like more people will be struck by lightning now!! :lol:
    i didn't see that. that is crazy... :o

    thanks for the link. i'll check it out when i get a minute..

    in the meantime, NOBODY STAND UNDER A TREE and NOBODY PLAY GOLF IN A STORM!!

    :lol:

    (that was my public service announcement for the week, haha)
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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