Democracy in Israel Under Attack

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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,082
    polaris_x wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    standing up to what the israeli government and what they are doing IS courage. not doing the same foreign policy status quo IS courage.

    why do you respond to a troll?
    because i was baited.
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  • MayDay Malone
    MayDay Malone Posts: 641
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    MayDay Malone wrote:
    I don't know where our enemies get the idea that America is soft.

    If only we all had Gimme's courage...

    Jeez....
    standing up to the israeli government and what they are doing IS courage. not doing the same foreign policy status quo IS courage. putting them on notice that we are not going to tolerate what they are doing to the palestinians and threatening iran IS courage...


    Your on the side of the poor Iranians then.

    OK. What's your point?
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    why do you respond to a troll?
    because i was baited.

    hahaha

    feel free ... my suggestion is to move on as all you are doing is clearly responding in a way in which he wants ...
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    keeponrockin wrote:
    I don't see the problem with being 'soft'... I'm from a country considered 'soft' and we've never been the victim of a terrorist attack...


    its not about being 'soft'.. its about being just.



    think about this:

    had the colonies not won the american war of inependence, those highly valued heroes of history such as jefferson and washington probably would have been hung for treason against the crown... its a mighty thin line at times.. not to mention dependent on ones perspective.
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  • keeponrockin
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    catefrances wrote:
    keeponrockin wrote:
    I don't see the problem with being 'soft'... I'm from a country considered 'soft' and we've never been the victim of a terrorist attack...


    its not about being 'soft'.. its about being just.



    think about this:

    had the colonies not won the american war of inependence, those highly valued heroes of history such as jefferson and washington probably would have been hung for treason against the crown... its a mighty thin line at times.. not to mention dependent on ones perspective.
    I'd agree.

    I don't think supporting Israel 100% is just. Neither do I think supporting Hammas committing a terrorist attack is just.
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  • catefrances
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    keeponrockin wrote:
    I'd agree.

    I don't think supporting Israel 100% is just. Neither do I think supporting Hammas committing a terrorist attack is just.

    it not even about supporting israel 100% but more about supporting them blindly irrespective of their actions. it defies all logic.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,082
    keeponrockin wrote:
    I don't think supporting Israel 100% is just. Neither do I think supporting Hammas committing a terrorist attack is just.
    i find it funny how people automatically and ONLY associate "hamas" with "terrorist attacks" and associate "israel" with "victim". do you ever think that the terrorists act as a complete reaction to the oppression put on them by the israeli government with land grabs and settlements, and sanctions, and blockades, and jewish-only roads and facilities? the united states will not allow anything to change in that region when most of the rest of the world sides with the palestinians in that the 2 countries should have the pre 1967 borders.
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  • EdsonNascimento
    EdsonNascimento Posts: 5,531
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    the united states will not allow anything to change in that region when most of the rest of the world sides with the palestinians in that the 2 countries should have the pre 1967 borders.

    Yes. That is all the Palestinians and their allies want. :roll:

    I think Hitler had similar demands and folks kept giving in. It's a quality foreign policy. If we don't learn from history - we are doomed to repeat it.
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    the united states will not allow anything to change in that region when most of the rest of the world sides with the palestinians in that the 2 countries should have the pre 1967 borders.

    Yes. That is all the Palestinians and their allies want. :roll:

    I think Hitler had similar demands and folks kept giving in. It's a quality foreign policy. If we don't learn from history - we are doomed to repeat it.

    no comparison between hitler and the palestinian people. thats just lazy thought.

    what the palestinians are asking for is nothing less than theyre due. but they are continually denied and oppressed by a govt who carries a big stick and the weight of western guilt on its shoulders. it is partly because of the inaction against hitler that we have this situation. no one gave a fuck about the jews cause they were seen as the 'other' and now we are bending over backwards to accomodate them and creating another 'other'
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,082
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    the united states will not allow anything to change in that region when most of the rest of the world sides with the palestinians in that the 2 countries should have the pre 1967 borders.

    Yes. That is all the Palestinians and their allies want. :roll:

    I think Hitler had similar demands and folks kept giving in. It's a quality foreign policy. If we don't learn from history - we are doomed to repeat it.
    yes they do want the pre '67 war borders. their only condition for returning to negotiations is that israel stops building settlements. instead israel has doubled the settlement expansions in the face of international anger. have you not read a single thread on the topic? israel is building settlements full of israeli zionist hardliners on land that was stolen from the palestinians. they will not leave. they keep taking more and more land. of course people are going to get fucking irate after the US constantly vetoes anything critical of israel at the un.

    the only thing hitler demanded territorywise was he wanted the land in austria to be annexed and it was. he stole the rest of the land via war. that demand is nothing like what the palestinians are demanding. they are demanding their land back and israel is insuring that they can not take it back by force via sanctions, blockades, denying foriegn aid, and taking $4 billion us dollars a year in military assistance. the palestinian = hitler comparision is one of the most obscene comparisons i have ever read on the internet...
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  • EdsonNascimento
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    catefrances wrote:
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    the united states will not allow anything to change in that region when most of the rest of the world sides with the palestinians in that the 2 countries should have the pre 1967 borders.

    Yes. That is all the Palestinians and their allies want. :roll:

    I think Hitler had similar demands and folks kept giving in. It's a quality foreign policy. If we don't learn from history - we are doomed to repeat it.

    no comparison between hitler and the palestinian people. thats just lazy thought.

    what the palestinians are asking for is nothing less than theyre due. but they are continually denied and oppressed by a govt who carries a big stick and the weight of western guilt on its shoulders. it is partly because of the inaction against hitler that we have this situation. no one gave a fuck about the jews cause they were seen as the 'other' and now we are bending over backwards to accomodate them and creating another 'other'

    You are right that the comparison is a bit of an overstatement. It is clearly meant for effect. But, the point is still the same.
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • EdsonNascimento
    EdsonNascimento Posts: 5,531
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    yes they do want the pre '67 war borders. their only condition for returning to negotiations is that israel stops building settlements. instead israel has doubled the settlement expansions in the face of international anger. have you not read a single thread on the topic? israel is building settlements full of israeli zionist hardliners on land that was stolen from the palestinians. they will not leave. they keep taking more and more land. of course people are going to get fucking irate after the US constantly vetoes anything critical of israel at the un.

    the only thing hitler demanded territorywise was he wanted the land in austria to be annexed and it was. he stole the rest of the land via war. that demand is nothing like what the palestinians are demanding. they are demanding their land back and israel is insuring that they can not take it back by force via sanctions, blockades, denying foriegn aid, and taking $4 billion us dollars a year in military assistance. the palestinian = hitler comparision is one of the most obscene comparisons i have ever read on the internet...


    As I said above - the comparison is CLEARLY hyperbole. But, that does not blunt the point that what they are saying and what they will be willing to settle for are not the same. And in that, there are similarities. I did not mean to also invoke the full atrocities Hitler did (though there is also the kernel of truth there as well - their supporter, Ahmadinejad is proof positive).
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,082
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    As I said above - the comparison is CLEARLY hyperbole. But, that does not blunt the point that what they are saying and what they will be willing to settle for are not the same. And in that, there are similarities. I did not mean to also invoke the full atrocities Hitler did (though there is also the kernel of truth there as well - their supporter, Ahmadinejad is proof positive).
    no, how are the palestinian demands like the nazis demands? how are them wanting their land back anything like hitler annexing land in austria? it is the palestinians' own land. please explain to me and everyone here how they are even remotely similar? they want their land back and they want to be recognized as their own country and understandably so. not only was the land stolen, but the conditions that the palestinians are forced to live under are substandard. they can not even import building supplies. also, hamas controls only part of the palestinian land, not all of it as some would have you believe.

    ahmadinajad is not palestinian. he is iranian. he has his own interests at heart. you can not characterize the entire arab world by one leader in that region....
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  • EdsonNascimento
    EdsonNascimento Posts: 5,531
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    As I said above - the comparison is CLEARLY hyperbole. But, that does not blunt the point that what they are saying and what they will be willing to settle for are not the same. And in that, there are similarities. I did not mean to also invoke the full atrocities Hitler did (though there is also the kernel of truth there as well - their supporter, Ahmadinejad is proof positive).
    no, how are the palestinian demands like the nazis demands? how are them wanting their land back anything like hitler annexing land in austria? it is the palestinians' own land. please explain to me and everyone here how they are even remotely similar? they want their land back and they want to be recognized as their own country and understandably so. not only was the land stolen, but the conditions that the palestinians are forced to live under are substandard. they can not even import building supplies. also, hamas controls only part of the palestinian land, not all of it as some would have you believe.

    ahmadinajad is not palestinian. he is iranian. he has his own interests at heart. you can not characterize the entire arab world by one leader in that region....

    If you don't get it, you don't get. I don't think there's much more to explain. Thanks.
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    If you don't get it, you don't get. I don't think there's much more to explain. Thanks.

    :lol:
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,082
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    [If you don't get it, you don't get. I don't think there's much more to explain. Thanks.
    no, you said it. you should defend it.
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  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    If you don't get it, you don't get. I don't think there's much more to explain. Thanks.


    I don't get it and i would like you to explain. When you have the time, there's no rush i'm here everyday.
  • EdsonNascimento
    EdsonNascimento Posts: 5,531
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    [If you don't get it, you don't get. I don't think there's much more to explain. Thanks.
    no, you said it. you should defend it.

    I will say it as clearly as possible (though I thought I actually said it).

    You take these folks at their word (today).

    I do not.

    We will agree to disagree. We are not changing each other's mind.
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,082
    edson, did germany give back the land it took during world war II? yes or no?
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  • EdsonNascimento
    EdsonNascimento Posts: 5,531
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    edson, did germany give back the land it took during world war II? yes or no?

    No. We took it back (or stole it as some folks might view it). It's all in your point of view. Good point.
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
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