The Folly of the Flat Tax
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"you're a drain- on society "
Some people have such a sweet way with words, huh? :?"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
know1 wrote:Go Beavers wrote:
I must be unemployed if I don't support a regressive tax structure?
Is a flat tax regressive, though?
Yes, in that it hits people who earn less money much harder.0 -
MayDay Malone wrote:Go Beavers wrote:MayDay Malone wrote:That's right. I don't give a damn about state taxes. The states aren't the ones bankrupting the entire nation.
It's this nanny-state Federal govt.
And its nice to wax poetic about old retirees, but that group has always been part of the equation- you act like all of a sudden, America has old people in it.
Nice try, but gubmint tit-suckers and socialist, redistributing politicians will all disparage the flat tax w the same class-warfare rhetoric that you just did, as a "tax break for the rich".
Occupy Individual Responsibility.
Let's try and weed through the usual conservative cliches (nanny state, socialist, individual responsibility, etc.) and help clarify your argument.
A flat tax would mean that the rich will pay less in taxes and the people who earns less would be paying more. Not class warfare rhetoric, but just a fact of how that would play out.
I missed where I was waxing poetic about retirees. I was just clarifying who the 51% consists of. The group you think should be paying more.
I think what I can take from what you're saying is that a flat tax would bring in less revenue, and with less revenue, the government would cut spending. In particular, you'd like to see spending on public assistance be cut significantly (see: "nanny state"). This would be a two-pronged pay off for you, not only would there be fewer people on assistance, but this would also teach responsibility by default and punish the "tit suckers". Am I on the right track? What you wrote sounds more like class warfare than what I wrote.
You have demonstrated above-average cognitive abilities. Unfortunately, the sum of your knowledge is a hinderance.
Let us just say that we disagree.
Let's just say that you can't support your argument with anything substantial and that it stems not from good policy and what is good for the country, but instead from a disdain for those who you think don't take "individual responsibility".0 -
brianlux wrote:"you're a drain- on society "
Some people have such a sweet way with words, huh? :?
I don't give 2 shits about your sweetness.0 -
Wrong again Beavers.
There is no point in educating some people. I imagine you probably feel the same.
I'm not gonna waste 30 minutes of my life typing out all of the socio-economic reasons I support a flat tax, so that Go Beavers on the Pearl Jam forum might see things differently.
If "payng their fair share" means that "rich people" pay 100% in taxes, so that you and the like-minded can live in a tent on public property and shit on park benches, then I'm happy for you. At least you know what you want in life.
A lesser shit, I could not give...0 -
why so condescending? it adds nothing to the debate and makes you come off as a troll.MayDay Malone wrote:Wrong again Beavers.
There is no point in educating some people. I imagine you probably feel the same.
I'm not gonna waste 30 minutes of my life typing out all of the socio-economic reasons I support a flat tax, so that Go Beavers on the Pearl Jam forum might see things differently.
If "payng their fair share" means that "rich people" pay 100% in taxes, so that you and the like-minded can live in a tent on public property and shit on park benches, then I'm happy for you. At least you know what you want in life.
A lesser shit, I could not give...
i am against the flat tax because of the reasons i listed in my prior post...
again i ask, if this is such a brilliant idea why has it never been implemented?"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
MayDay Malone{quote= wrote:I wonder if the flat tax advocates have thought their position through, or they just think it's a good idea because they get too confused every April.
You're a genius.
Ever file taxes?[/quote]
Thank you, and yes, i have filed taxes (not sure what you're alluding to in your question, maybe you think it's confusing for everyone?). I guess you understand that a flat tax is a huge tax break for the wealthy and will make the working poor more poor. If you're equal to my genius, then you'll be able to tell me what revenue a flat tax will bring in.[/quote]
Not sure what you were alluding to in your original question, maybe you think anyone who could be for a flat tax HAS to be confused by the by the tax-filing process?
Not sure what you're alluding to in your second question/statement, maybe you think the 51% of Americans who pay NOTHING are being treated unfairly?
Oh wait, now I get it... A flat tax would be awkward for you, when you have to list your address as Zucotti Park on your tax forms.
Save the 1% jive for another turkey, man... I work for a living.[/quote]
For MayDayMalone
Oh your one of those guys who works for a living. I work for a living as well and the flat tax is not a good idea..at all. Do your research. A Flat Tax forces a choice between higher deficits or an increased burden for the middle class. There that sums it up for you. Look another guy with a job made it easier for you.0 -
MayDay Malone wrote:Wrong again Beavers.
There is no point in educating some people. I imagine you probably feel the same.
I'm not gonna waste 30 minutes of my life typing out all of the socio-economic reasons I support a flat tax, so that Go Beavers on the Pearl Jam forum might see things differently.
If "payng their fair share" means that "rich people" pay 100% in taxes, so that you and the like-minded can live in a tent on public property and shit on park benches, then I'm happy for you. At least you know what you want in life.
A lesser shit, I could not give...
I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you were not a "Birther" but after this "ramble"...you Mayday are indeed a Birther.0 -
MayDay Malone wrote:Wrong again Beavers.
There is no point in educating some people. I imagine you probably feel the same.
I'm not gonna waste 30 minutes of my life typing out all of the socio-economic reasons I support a flat tax, so that Go Beavers on the Pearl Jam forum might see things differently.
If "payng their fair share" means that "rich people" pay 100% in taxes, so that you and the like-minded can live in a tent on public property and shit on park benches, then I'm happy for you. At least you know what you want in life.
A lesser shit, I could not give...
Well said!
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Go Beavers wrote:know1 wrote:Go Beavers wrote:
I must be unemployed if I don't support a regressive tax structure?
Is a flat tax regressive, though?
Yes, in that it hits people who earn less money much harder.
A flat tax is not "regressive". That said, it's not "progressive" either. It's flat. Hence the name: flat or "proportional" tax.Here's a new demo called "in the fire":
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gimmesometruth27 wrote:
why so condescending? it adds nothing to the debate and makes you come off as a troll.MayDay Malone wrote:Wrong again Beavers.
There is no point in educating some people. I imagine you probably feel the same.
I'm not gonna waste 30 minutes of my life typing out all of the socio-economic reasons I support a flat tax, so that Go Beavers on the Pearl Jam forum might see things differently.
If "payng their fair share" means that "rich people" pay 100% in taxes, so that you and the like-minded can live in a tent on public property and shit on park benches, then I'm happy for you. At least you know what you want in life.
A lesser shit, I could not give...
i am against the flat tax because of the reasons i listed in my prior post...
again i ask, if this is such a brilliant idea why has it never been implemented?
Im fluent in sarcasm.
And your last question implies that every brilliant idea in the world has already been tried.
That explains this generation's laziness and apathy. But not the bitching...0 -
shadowcast wrote:MayDay Malone{quote= wrote:I wonder if the flat tax advocates have thought their position through, or they just think it's a good idea because they get too confused every April.
You're a genius.
Ever file taxes?
Thank you, and yes, i have filed taxes (not sure what you're alluding to in your question, maybe you think it's confusing for everyone?). I guess you understand that a flat tax is a huge tax break for the wealthy and will make the working poor more poor. If you're equal to my genius, then you'll be able to tell me what revenue a flat tax will bring in.[/quote]
Not sure what you were alluding to in your original question, maybe you think anyone who could be for a flat tax HAS to be confused by the by the tax-filing process?
Not sure what you're alluding to in your second question/statement, maybe you think the 51% of Americans who pay NOTHING are being treated unfairly?
Oh wait, now I get it... A flat tax would be awkward for you, when you have to list your address as Zucotti Park on your tax forms.
Save the 1% jive for another turkey, man... I work for a living.[/quote]
For MayDayMalone
Oh your one of those guys who works for a living. I work for a living as well and the flat tax is not a good idea..at all. Do your research. A Flat Tax forces a choice between higher deficits or an increased burden for the middle class. There that sums it up for you. Look another guy with a job made it easier for you.[/quote]
Workin' man, huh? So what grade do you teach?
The "choice between higher deficits or an increased burden for the middle class" is the logical outcome to an individulal, such as yourself, suffering from the mental disorder that prevents the idea of CUTTING SPENDING from entering your brain.
This disorder is known as Liberalism, and impacts millions annually. It seems to most aggresively affect teenagers, minorities, Californians, New Englanders, teachers, and retired Jewish communities in Florida.
(College-educated white women have shown great improvement in overcoming this disease over the last three years, however.)
Symptoms include: confusion, emotional outbursts, laziness or lack of ambition, and an increased sense of entitlement.
Current treatments include: living at home w/ parents, applying for federal assistance, sleeping in the park, shitting on the sidewalk, and demanding the government make Life be "more fair".
Don't worry though, most of these people will leave you alone if you just give them a little change.
(get it? a little "change"?)Post edited by MayDay Malone on0 -
shadowcast wrote:MayDay Malone wrote:Wrong again Beavers.
There is no point in educating some people. I imagine you probably feel the same.
I'm not gonna waste 30 minutes of my life typing out all of the socio-economic reasons I support a flat tax, so that Go Beavers on the Pearl Jam forum might see things differently.
If "payng their fair share" means that "rich people" pay 100% in taxes, so that you and the like-minded can live in a tent on public property and shit on park benches, then I'm happy for you. At least you know what you want in life.
A lesser shit, I could not give...
I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you were not a "Birther" but after this "ramble"...you Mayday are indeed a Birther.
Ugh.
Somehow, I just know you are a teacher.0 -
MayDay Malone wrote:
Workin' man, huh? So what grade do you teach?
The "choice between higher deficits or an increased burden for the middle class" is the logical outcome to an individulal, such as yourself, suffering from the mental disorder that prevents the idea of CUTTING SPENDING from entering your brain.
This disorder is known as Liberalism, and impacts millions annually. It seems to most aggresively affect teenagers, minorities, Californians, New Englanders, teachers, and retired Jewish communities in Florida.
(College-educated white women have shown great improvement in overcoming this disease over the last three years, however.)
Symptoms include: confusion, emotional outbursts, laziness or lack of ambition, and an increased sense of entitlement.
Current treatments include: living at home w/ parents, applying for federal assistance, sleeping in the park, shitting on the sidewalk, and demanding the government make Life be "more fair".
Don't worry though, most of these people will leave you alone if you just give them a little change.
(get it? a little "change"?)
you have still yet to come up with any reasons for why a flat tax would actually work?
maths clearly isn't your strong point0 -
"Maths clearly isn't your strong point."
That is the best one yet...
Its not my job to educate you, and what's more, you don't want to hear it anyways.
If you work for a living, make money, and pay taxes, then you understand how much is stolen and wasted by this corrupt gov't.
If you don't, then you don't. Get it?0 -
I agree.MayDay Malone wrote:"Maths clearly isn't your strong point."
That is the best one yet...
Its not my job to educate you, and what's more, you don't want to hear it anyways.
If you work for a living, make money, and pay taxes, then you understand how much is stolen and wasted by this corrupt gov't.
If you don't, then you don't. Get it?
However, I'd rather people who can afford it get fucked than those who can't afford it.Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V0 -
MayDay Malone wrote:"Maths clearly isn't your strong point."
That is the best one yet...
Its not my job to educate you, and what's more, you don't want to hear it anyways.
If you work for a living, make money, and pay taxes, then you understand how much is stolen and wasted by this corrupt gov't.
If you don't, then you don't. Get it?
so why are buffet, gates, and bloomberg all advocating higher taxes on themselves when they would be much better off under a flat tax system, It's because they know it makes no sense0 -
how about a progressive flat tax hybrid?
0% for those that make under 1000000
20% for those that make over
national sales tax of 0.25% that can only be used to pay down the national debt and only increased with a national referendum.
balanced budget amendment (with exception for national disaster emergencies and defense spending if American soil is attacked)
only deduction you can have is mortgage interest on primary residence and charitable giving.
sound fair to everyone?
the numbers could be adjusted a little bit I suppose, but something like this would make me happy. I like to think that it would give the feds less money and hold them to what is important, and that is spending less money and that seems like a win for me.
ultimately I like a flat tax, but definitely understand that some think it creates an unfair taxation system.
but this seems like a system that gives an income tax decrease for all and a consumption tax that may make people think twice before spending every cent they have on stuff they don't need.
I don't know. anyone like this idea?that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan0 -
mikepegg44 wrote:how about a progressive flat tax hybrid?
0% for those that make under 1000000
20% for those that make over
national sales tax of 0.25% that can only be used to pay down the national debt and only increased with a national referendum.
balanced budget amendment (with exception for national disaster emergencies and defense spending if American soil is attacked)
only deduction you can have is mortgage interest on primary residence and charitable giving.
sound fair to everyone?
the numbers could be adjusted a little bit I suppose, but something like this would make me happy. I like to think that it would give the feds less money and hold them to what is important, and that is spending less money and that seems like a win for me.
ultimately I like a flat tax, but definitely understand that some think it creates an unfair taxation system.
but this seems like a system that gives an income tax decrease for all and a consumption tax that may make people think twice before spending every cent they have on stuff they don't need.
I don't know. anyone like this idea?
thats all well and good but how much revenue would be generated0
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