Ian Mackaye at PJ shows?

forester wrote:

texasistheSTEVEN wrote:

forester wrote:

lucky man - fantastic story and pix!

i never saw fugazi, but being in DC late 70's - early 80's, teen idles and minor threat were happening and I luckily stumbed upon them. I loved the music but the slam dancing/pit was a little too much for me as a woman(girl back then) - they were way more male oriented. I stood back and enjoyed the music and watched in amazement. I will never forget it.

You are lucky you got to see them. I have seen Bad Brains, Gorilla Biscuits, Cro-mags reunions but they are never gonna be the same as living through the real deal.....!

I feel really lucky to have been a witness to that scene, hanging out at clubs to dance/party and have some friends in bands that were popping up. Right place at the right time-lots of young guys running around in kilts and combat boots!... and I did see Bad Brains,and it's lucky you saw them, too. Some things don't change that much - it's a continuum. I didn't see early 90's Pearl Jam, but I loved them then and they are a big part of who I am today. They are my go-to band, but then I love when they play punk inspired tunes in concert, like Sonic Reducer-they nail it.

Your adventure at Dischord house is really wonderful, and the re-created picture is phenomenal- Bravo! That's a once in a lifetime story!!

I love PJ's connection with old punk/hardcore bands. Covering the dead boys is awesome and also when I saw them play this intimate show in London at Shepherds Bush Empire, Eddie Vedder came out wearing a FEAR shirt. I lost my mind because the show was so good but also lost my mind that he was wearing a FEAR shirt. I tried to explain to my mum who I was with, but she doesn't know FEAR.

I am almost certain I saw an old video of the band ages back and someone was wearing an SSD shirt. I might have been mistaken but it's definitely stuck with me. I guess that whole Seattle scene was built from the legacy of punk/hardcore in the 80's so it makes sense. Additionally the more I am reading PJ20 the more Fugazi and their links to PJ keep cropping up. It's really awesome!

I like it when fans of such a huge band like them have a decent musical past. I can't believe how many PJ fans like U2 and Hootie and the Blowfish and middle of the road garbage like that.

Yeah, like any music, I guess it's what you're exposed to, or who turns you on to it. That music was seminal in developing a unique,amazing sound and ENERGY, but many people don't know it, or get it, or like it.

But, it was interesting in the PJ20 film - there was a comment, by Stone or Matt maybe, that at some point (don't recall exactly the year) they were at a tough place musically and someone said "we are not Fugazi". Anyone remember that? I didn't notice the comment in the book. I guess the interest in Fugazi got in the way creatively.

Lament wrote:

forester wrote:

Yeah, like any music, I guess it's what you're exposed to, or who turns you on to it. That music was seminal in developing a unique,amazing sound and ENERGY, but many people don't know it, or get it, or like it.

But, it was interesting in the PJ20 film - there was a comment, by Stone or Matt maybe, that at some point (don't recall exactly the year) they were at a tough place musically and someone said "we are not Fugazi". Anyone remember that? I didn't notice the comment in the book. I guess the interest in Fugazi got in the way creatively.

I was under the impression that the "We are not Fugazi" wasn't about how the band was functioning creatively, but rather how they were carrying themselves business-wise. Does anybody remember more specifically?

Ok, I totally get that - that makes more sense actually.

Not sure anybody else is paying attention to this thread given the hoopla over the sold out goods - chime in if you know if you have thoughts on what they meant.

Meanwhile, "waiting room" has been stuck in my head for two days. love it.

forester wrote:

Lament wrote:

forester wrote:

Yeah, like any music, I guess it's what you're exposed to, or who turns you on to it. That music was seminal in developing a unique,amazing sound and ENERGY, but many people don't know it, or get it, or like it.

But, it was interesting in the PJ20 film - there was a comment, by Stone or Matt maybe, that at some point (don't recall exactly the year) they were at a tough place musically and someone said "we are not Fugazi". Anyone remember that? I didn't notice the comment in the book. I guess the interest in Fugazi got in the way creatively.

I was under the impression that the "We are not Fugazi" wasn't about how the band was functioning creatively, but rather how they were carrying themselves business-wise. Does anybody remember more specifically?

Ok, I totally get that - that makes more sense actually.

Not sure anybody else is paying attention to this thread given the hoopla over the sold out goods - chime in if you know if you have thoughts on what they meant.

Meanwhile, "waiting room" has been stuck in my head for two days. love it.

Trying to bump this a bit to see if someone who has seen PJ20 more recently can provide us some context for the quote. It's piqued my curiosity as well...

Abe Froman wrote:

Lament wrote:

forester wrote:

Yeah, like any music, I guess it's what you're exposed to, or who turns you on to it. That music was seminal in developing a unique,amazing sound and ENERGY, but many people don't know it, or get it, or like it.

But, it was interesting in the PJ20 film - there was a comment, by Stone or Matt maybe, that at some point (don't recall exactly the year) they were at a tough place musically and someone said "we are not Fugazi". Anyone remember that? I didn't notice the comment in the book. I guess the interest in Fugazi got in the way creatively.

I was under the impression that the "We are not Fugazi" wasn't about how the band was functioning creatively, but rather how they were carrying themselves business-wise. Does anybody remember more specifically?

It was during the 1995 tour. The band was absolutely huge but all the hype and media attention was really pissing Ed off. The band wasn't getting along all that well it seemed largely due to this. Ed was doing anything he could to pull the band out of the spotlight. After shows he was running a radio show out of a van and would then travel in the van to the next show without the other members. The other guys started to wonder if he even wanted to be in Pearl Jam anymore. Somewhere in all of this the quote "we are not Fugazi" came out basically directed at Ed. They understood where he was coming from but at the same time were trying to get him to realize they were an entirely different animal and would never be able to operate like the band Fugazi.

Hope this helps. The best I could do off the top of my head.

I think that is a good recap, as I remember it as well.

I really was hoping they would go in to this much deeper in the movie. When you throw something out there like - "some of the guys didn't even know if Ed wanted to be in the band", that to me, is kind of a huge point in the band's history. I would have liked to seen more about it, but it is their movie, not mine. I don't want to get beat up too badly by some of the others on here, telling me they don't need to tell everything.

Now, I am not much of a Fugazi fan, but know some of their music and understand the influence on PJ, and NO, I do not want to hear PJ cover a Hootie song, but I didn't understand the shot against them or U2. I am not really a fan of U2 either, really don't care much for Bono, but I may have seen Hootie a dozen or so times in the Charleston area. Nothing wrong with them, or thier music. I don't understand why some people come on here and hate on everything that has nothing to do with PJ...

It was during the 1995 tour. The band was absolutely huge but all the hype and media attention was really pissing Ed off. The band wasn't getting along all that well it seemed largely due to this. Ed was doing anything he could to pull the band out of the spotlight. After shows he was running a radio show out of a van and would then travel in the van to the next show without the other members. The other guys started to wonder if he even wanted to be in Pearl Jam anymore. Somewhere in all of this the quote "we are not Fugazi" came out basically directed at Ed. They understood where he was coming from but at the same time were trying to get him to realize they were an entirely different animal and would never be able to operate like the band Fugazi.

Hope this helps. The best I could do off the top of my head.

That's pretty much it! When Fugazi go on tour they bundle all their gear into one very intricately packed van and take to the road. I think it was more the DIY attitude that Eddie was trying to get into in order to feel like he had a bit more control over everything, but in doing so inadvertently isolated himself from the others. I can definitely recommend watching 'The Instrument' , a Fugazi documentary by Jem Cohen. I remember wearing that VHS out!!