Pesiticides in GMO Sweet Corn

brianlux
brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,778
edited September 2011 in A Moving Train
Here's some Frankenstein Science for ya:

http://truefoodnow.org/2011/09/22/keep- ... ner-plate/

"Surveys over the past decade have consistently shown that Americans don’t want to eat genetically engineered (GE or GMO) food. Despite the overwhelming opposition to this risky new food technology, the biotech giant Monsanto continues to impose its unlabeled GMO’s onto our dinner plates.

The latest: Monsanto’s new GMO corn, intended for the frozen and/or canned corn market. This experimental corn will not be labeled, so consumers cannot know when they may be eating a GMO food that contains a toxic pesticide in every bite. Monsanto’s corn is a new GMO variety that has been genetically modified for three different traits, to resist two different insects and to withstand heavy spraying with Monsanto’s toxic Roundup herbicide. Because there are already varieties of other insect-resistant and Roundup-Ready varieties on the market, federal regulators are not requiring ANY approval process—which means NO public comment on its introduction into our food supply."

Not on my dinner plate! :(
"It's a sad and beautiful world"
-Roberto Benigni

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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    it is almost impossible to keep monsanto out of your body ... :(
  • arakias
    arakias Posts: 281
    Ugh, its so hard to keep GMOs out of your body and its so expensive to go organic all the time.
  • polaris_x wrote:
    it is almost impossible to keep monsanto out of your body ... :(


    Ok, this made me laugh.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,778
    arakias wrote:
    Ugh, its so hard to keep GMOs out of your body and its so expensive to go organic all the time.

    Yes and no. If you have super duper high grade health insurance you might be able to afford the GMO's and pesiticides you ingest. I'm firmly convinced that a non-GMO diet is, in the long run, less expensive. My past health record is bad- I have had Epstein-Barr Virus, was once laid up for three months with extreem mononucleosis, spent three days unconscious in a hospital from something I ate, have had pleurisy and pneumonia, German measels, vertigo, severe migrain headaches, tinitus and hyperacusis. My ears are still a mess and I'm 60 years old but people say I look like I'm 45 and I hardly ever go to the doctor anymore. Why? You guessed it- a healthy diet. Yes it is more expensive to eat organic produce- but I budget my income and I shop at our local Farmer's market which cuts out the middle man and gives me the good feeling of supporting our local economy- and the savings in doctor bills allows me to eat well. I'm sure there are some folks who just can't eat this way all the time but I'm convinced many more can than do. (And, please, don't anybody assume I can do this because I'm a "privileged liberal". My income is below the U.S. average.)

    But enough about me. Most of you can probably eat better quality food if you want to and all of us can ask our grocers to stock non-GMO products and write letters and sign petitions (even if just the "one-click" on-line kind- it all adds up) voicing your disapproval of GMO's. This is an important issue. Please stand with me on this. Thanks!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,778
    P.S. I meant to add to my post above that besides farmer's markets, you can also save on non-GMO food by signing up for a CSA (community sponsered agriculture- a very cool idea- if you're not familiar with it, check it out!), getting involved in a local food co-op and/or growing some of your own food. If you live in a city, consider urban agriculture- this can be anything from a neighborhood garden to a big rood-top garden to something as small and easy as doing some container garderning.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    Remember that guy on here who started a giant thread on how Food Inc. was a lie and was defending GMOs and all that... then like 12 pages later you find out he works for Monsantos or a company directly affiliated with them :roll:
    live pearl jam is best pearl jam
  • brianlux wrote:
    Here's some Frankenstein Science for ya:

    http://truefoodnow.org/2011/09/22/keep- ... ner-plate/

    "Surveys over the past decade have consistently shown that Americans don’t want to eat genetically engineered (GE or GMO) food. Despite the overwhelming opposition to this risky new food technology, the biotech giant Monsanto continues to impose its unlabeled GMO’s onto our dinner plates.

    The latest: Monsanto’s new GMO corn, intended for the frozen and/or canned corn market. This experimental corn will not be labeled, so consumers cannot know when they may be eating a GMO food that contains a toxic pesticide in every bite. Monsanto’s corn is a new GMO variety that has been genetically modified for three different traits, to resist two different insects and to withstand heavy spraying with Monsanto’s toxic Roundup herbicide. Because there are already varieties of other insect-resistant and Roundup-Ready varieties on the market, federal regulators are not requiring ANY approval process—which means NO public comment on its introduction into our food supply."

    Not on my dinner plate! :(


    there are several things wrong with this statement. First of all, it's all already genetically modified.... this is nothing new. Second, the genetically modified traits allows for them to spray Roundup on the corn which is applied at about two to three OUNCES per acre, so saying "HEAVY spraying" isn't correct. Third, they say there is a "toxic pesticide" in every bite... well, that could be said about ANYTHING, sometimes even if it is organic, at the PPM level.

    not that I support Monsanto... science and the truth make me horny.
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • haffajappa wrote:
    Remember that guy on here who started a giant thread on how Food Inc. was a lie and was defending GMOs and all that... then like 12 pages later you find out he works for Monsantos or a company directly affiliated with them :roll:

    I think you are talking about me. Food Inc (for the most part) was a farse for sure. However, I don't work for Monsanto or any company affiliated with them.
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    brianlux wrote:
    P.S. I meant to add to my post above that besides farmer's markets, you can also save on non-GMO food by signing up for a CSA (community sponsered agriculture- a very cool idea- if you're not familiar with it, check it out!), getting involved in a local food co-op and/or growing some of your own food. If you live in a city, consider urban agriculture- this can be anything from a neighborhood garden to a big rood-top garden to something as small and easy as doing some container garderning.


    yeah ... urban agriculture is skyrocketing now ...
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,778
    brianlux wrote:
    Here's some Frankenstein Science for ya:

    http://truefoodnow.org/2011/09/22/keep- ... ner-plate/

    "Surveys over the past decade have consistently shown that Americans don’t want to eat genetically engineered (GE or GMO) food. Despite the overwhelming opposition to this risky new food technology, the biotech giant Monsanto continues to impose its unlabeled GMO’s onto our dinner plates.

    The latest: Monsanto’s new GMO corn, intended for the frozen and/or canned corn market. This experimental corn will not be labeled, so consumers cannot know when they may be eating a GMO food that contains a toxic pesticide in every bite. Monsanto’s corn is a new GMO variety that has been genetically modified for three different traits, to resist two different insects and to withstand heavy spraying with Monsanto’s toxic Roundup herbicide. Because there are already varieties of other insect-resistant and Roundup-Ready varieties on the market, federal regulators are not requiring ANY approval process—which means NO public comment on its introduction into our food supply."

    Not on my dinner plate! :(


    there are several things wrong with this statement. First of all, it's all already genetically modified.... this is nothing new. Second, the genetically modified traits allows for them to spray Roundup on the corn which is applied at about two to three OUNCES per acre, so saying "HEAVY spraying" isn't correct. Third, they say there is a "toxic pesticide" in every bite... well, that could be said about ANYTHING, sometimes even if it is organic, at the PPM level.

    not that I support Monsanto... science and the truth make me horny.
    So you're supporting the sale of GMO foods? You don't see them as problematic for human health and don't see them as environmentally unsafe?
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • brianlux wrote:
    So you're supporting the sale of GMO foods? You don't see them as problematic for human health and don't see them as environmentally unsafe?

    no, I don't "support" GMO food. But it certainly doesn't scare me to eat it because I haven't seen any scientific proof that it is problematic. All that's happening is a change of one protein sequence in the DNA, and your body doesn't know the difference (unless it is allergic to that new protein, which is very unlikely).

    There are major problems in agriculture.. like the breadth (no pun intended) of the food source being diminished so that there are only a few dozen strains in production now and hundreds used to occur naturally.... that scares me because our food source is much more susceptible to disease ruining entire continents of crops.

    I certainly don't support Monsanto... I just don't see how we can "overthrow" the company like a dictatorship when the scientific proof shows they aren't shoving poison down our throats, as everyone here would like me to believe. Where's the body bags? What's the death count? Where's the proof? Show it to me and I'll be the first one in line to condemn these agriculture practices.
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,778
    brianlux wrote:
    So you're supporting the sale of GMO foods? You don't see them as problematic for human health and don't see them as environmentally unsafe?

    no, I don't "support" GMO food. But it certainly doesn't scare me to eat it because I haven't seen any scientific proof that it is problematic. All that's happening is a change of one protein sequence in the DNA, and your body doesn't know the difference (unless it is allergic to that new protein, which is very unlikely).

    There are major problems in agriculture.. like the breadth (no pun intended) of the food source being diminished so that there are only a few dozen strains in production now and hundreds used to occur naturally.... that scares me because our food source is much more susceptible to disease ruining entire continents of crops.

    I certainly don't support Monsanto... I just don't see how we can "overthrow" the company like a dictatorship when the scientific proof shows they aren't shoving poison down our throats, as everyone here would like me to believe. Where's the body bags? What's the death count? Where's the proof? Show it to me and I'll be the first one in line to condemn these agriculture practices.

    Excellent point about the low number of strains of food being produced, he still stands! I read an article (I'll look for it) about a small farm somehwere in the Andes where close to 100 different plant food species were being grown on one acre- and this was not an experiment- it's just a method that works well for these growers- the yeilds from this farm are fantastic.

    When I get a chance, I'll post some links and book titles that address the dangers of GMO foods. The evidence is in abundance- I just don't have the time this morning to find the sources.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    I certainly don't support Monsanto... I just don't see how we can "overthrow" the company like a dictatorship when the scientific proof shows they aren't shoving poison down our throats, as everyone here would like me to believe. Where's the body bags? What's the death count? Where's the proof? Show it to me and I'll be the first one in line to condemn these agriculture practices.

    the issue is also who is going to do the testing ... non-monsanto scientists need grants ... and similar to nano technology ... no one wants to get into it because there isn't a multi-trillion dollar corporation out to counter monsanto's bs ...

    also ... it's not just deaths ... what about the increase in allergies in the population? ... and the health of ecosystems?
  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    haffajappa wrote:
    Remember that guy on here who started a giant thread on how Food Inc. was a lie and was defending GMOs and all that... then like 12 pages later you find out he works for Monsantos or a company directly affiliated with them :roll:

    I think you are talking about me. Food Inc (for the most part) was a farse for sure. However, I don't work for Monsanto or any company affiliated with them.
    no i'm pretty sure its not you
    live pearl jam is best pearl jam
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,394
    Without genetic food engineering, where would we be? Food shortages? Mass starvation? Are people in Somalia concerned about GMO's?

    If it freaks you out, buy organic. Simple solution. Or you can worry and complain about it for the rest of your life. Me ... I'm going fishing.

    Later hosers.
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Jason P wrote:
    Without genetic food engineering, where would we be? Food shortages? Mass starvation? Are people in Somalia concerned about GMO's?

    If it freaks you out, buy organic. Simple solution. Or you can worry and complain about it for the rest of your life. Me ... I'm going fishing.

    Later hosers.

    food shortages and starvation are issues of distribution not production
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    http://www.grist.org/industrial-agricul ... r-broccoli

    Many of us are familiar with Monsanto the seed giant, but who knew the company was making a new ready-to-eat packaged broccoli? The new product is called Beneforté, and it quietly launched last October. This vegetable is not genetically modified (i.e. no pesticides were engineered into its genes), but rather a hybrid of commercial broccoli with a variety native to southern Italy.

    Advertised with a "naturally better broccoli" tag line, the selling point pitched at the health conscious is that "it boosts the body's antioxidant enzymes at least 2 times more than other broccoli." Specifically, one serving of Beneforté broccoli "naturally contains 2 - 3 times the phytonutrient glucoraphanin [a type of glucosinolate] as a serving of other leading broccoli varieties produced under similar growing conditions."

    "Similar growing conditions" -- there's an interesting tidbit. For all we know, then, Beneforté's glucopharanin content could pale in comparison to that of organic broccoli. Of course, this obsession with glucoraphanin is a silly and myopic distraction. Broccoli, by virtue of being a vegetable, is healthful and does not need to be improved upon. None of the myriad of chronic health issues affecting millions of Americans are due to "faulty broccoli" with low levels of glucoraphanin.

    The biggest irony of this product lies in Monsanto's claim that Beneforté "help maintain your body's defenses against the damage of environmental pollutants and free radicals."

    Environmental pollutants? As in, the ones that have have increased exponentially as a result of genetic engineering? A 2009 report [PDF] by The Organic Center, titled "Impacts of Genetically Engineered Crops on Pesticide Use in the United States: The First Thirteen Years" concluded: "the most striking finding is that GE crops have been responsible for an increase of 383 million pounds of herbicide use in the U.S. over the first 13 years of commercial use of GE crops (1996- 2008)."

    As the Environmental Working Group points out, herbicides "cause a litany of health effects, including cancer, birth defects, and disruption of the endocrine (hormone) system." And we're talking about an additional 383 million pounds solely attributed to bio-engineered seeds like the ones Monsanto offers. Let's also not forget Monsanto's "global pollution legacy", as the folks at SourceWatch so brilliantly put it.

    There is no reason for broccoli to become a "value added" food product. Let's treat it with dignity and appreciate its worth as a vegetable. And, above all, let's not allow Monsanto to get away with gimmicky healthwashing. Despite what they may want you to think, supporting organic, sustainable agriculture -- and, whenever possible, your local farmers -- is still much more important for your health and that of the planet than purchasing trademarked "naturally better broccoli."
    Andy Bellatti, MS, RD, is a Seattle-based dietitian who approaches nutrition from a whole-foods, plant-centric framework. He also takes a strong interest in food politics, nutrition policy, and deceptive food industry marketing tactics. He is the creator of the Small Bites blog and can be followed on Twitter.
  • Shawshank
    Shawshank Posts: 1,018
    If anyone thinks that our society's overall decline in health isn't related to the food that's being produced these days and how it's being produced, they are delusional. Allergies are a great measure of how far we have declined. Hell I remember when I was in elementary if you forgot your lunch they gave you a peanut butter sandwich. Can you imagine that today? With so many people allergic to just about anything under the sun, we are headed down a very dark path. I know of a few people that are even allergic to corn, and with everything containing HFCS, I can't imagine the nightmare that must be. You really don't have to go back that far to find that even when people lived in squalor they were still healthier than many of us are today. What science has done to food is nothing short of Frankenstein's monster.

    Aside from the genetic modification of plants that are otherwise, nearly perfectly suited for humans, you have the environment in which so much of the vegetation is cultivated. There's a reason why cantaloupes are contaminated with listeria, and why we have to watch out for e-coli on spinach, and salmonella in eggs. It's because of the disgusting conditions in which those foods are produced.

    Can you imagine...I mean seriously just imagine...if you had farmers actually farming? Instead of just growing a 1,000 acres of corn, you had them growing 50 acres of broccoli, 50 acres of lettuce, 50 acres of cabbage, 50 acres of greens, 50 acres of cucumber, 50 acres of tomatoes, 50 acres of beans, etc. etc. and whatever else they can grow within their region and season? You could do all that and still have 400 acres to grow corn, and then another 100 acres for raising pastured poultry for fresh eggs and meat, pastured pork and allowing cattle to eat....gasp....GRASS?!?!? Unfortunately our society is spoiled with things like buying tomatoes in January, and we like to buy all of our food on demand which means we have to also import.

    My family and I have made a point to produce as much of our own food as humanly possible. I haven't even bought bread in over a year, we simply buy large bags of non-bromated flour and make anything and everything we want. We grow alot of our own fruits and vegetables, and extras we either give away, sell or preserve. We've been raising our own chickens for eggs and meat, and even started raising our own turkeys. So instead of them living a life in a concentration camp environment, they get to run around, nibble on grass, catch bugs, enjoy the fresh air and sunshine if they want to and just be chickens. It's just an amazing thing. We're even getting into raising our own fish...primarily Tilapia and Catfish, and we are employing Aquaponics. I ran an experimental system over the spring and it was phenomenal. The fish waste, provides nutrients to the plants, the grow beds for the plants filter the water, and the water returns back to the fish crystal clear. You haven't seen plant growth until you've seen it done in a system like that, it's really hard to believe. Anyway, sorry to rant, but once you get on that wave, it's hard to get off. NOTHING you buy at the store will ever taste as good as what you grow in your backyard.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Shawshank wrote:
    If anyone thinks that our society's overall decline in health isn't related to the food that's being produced these days and how it's being produced, they are delusional. Allergies are a great measure of how far we have declined. Hell I remember when I was in elementary if you forgot your lunch they gave you a peanut butter sandwich. Can you imagine that today? With so many people allergic to just about anything under the sun, we are headed down a very dark path. I know of a few people that are even allergic to corn, and with everything containing HFCS, I can't imagine the nightmare that must be. You really don't have to go back that far to find that even when people lived in squalor they were still healthier than many of us are today. What science has done to food is nothing short of Frankenstein's monster.

    Aside from the genetic modification of plants that are otherwise, nearly perfectly suited for humans, you have the environment in which so much of the vegetation is cultivated. There's a reason why cantaloupes are contaminated with listeria, and why we have to watch out for e-coli on spinach, and salmonella in eggs. It's because of the disgusting conditions in which those foods are produced.

    Can you imagine...I mean seriously just imagine...if you had farmers actually farming? Instead of just growing a 1,000 acres of corn, you had them growing 50 acres of broccoli, 50 acres of lettuce, 50 acres of cabbage, 50 acres of greens, 50 acres of cucumber, 50 acres of tomatoes, 50 acres of beans, etc. etc. and whatever else they can grow within their region and season? You could do all that and still have 400 acres to grow corn, and then another 100 acres for raising pastured poultry for fresh eggs and meat, pastured pork and allowing cattle to eat....gasp....GRASS?!?!? Unfortunately our society is spoiled with things like buying tomatoes in January, and we like to buy all of our food on demand which means we have to also import.

    My family and I have made a point to produce as much of our own food as humanly possible. I haven't even bought bread in over a year, we simply buy large bags of non-bromated flour and make anything and everything we want. We grow alot of our own fruits and vegetables, and extras we either give away, sell or preserve. We've been raising our own chickens for eggs and meat, and even started raising our own turkeys. So instead of them living a life in a concentration camp environment, they get to run around, nibble on grass, catch bugs, enjoy the fresh air and sunshine if they want to and just be chickens. It's just an amazing thing. We're even getting into raising our own fish...primarily Tilapia and Catfish, and we are employing Aquaponics. I ran an experimental system over the spring and it was phenomenal. The fish waste, provides nutrients to the plants, the grow beds for the plants filter the water, and the water returns back to the fish crystal clear. You haven't seen plant growth until you've seen it done in a system like that, it's really hard to believe. Anyway, sorry to rant, but once you get on that wave, it's hard to get off. NOTHING you buy at the store will ever taste as good as what you grow in your backyard.

    if there was a standing ovation smiley ... i'd give you one!
  • Shawshank
    Shawshank Posts: 1,018
    polaris_x wrote:
    if there was a standing ovation smiley ... i'd give you one!

    Thanks. This is just something I'm extremely passionate about. I think my passion comes from having my eyes opened to how truly easy it is to do on your own...and it's not only easy, it's fun!! I mean once you get into it, you start looking back and wondering why you haven't been in charge of your food all your life. I just think it's ridiculous in this day and age that crap factory processed food is so much cheaper than stuff that is produced naturally by the sun. They subsidize everything else with taxpayer money, I think they should subsidize the production of organically grown fruits and vegetables, and in exchange for that tax payer expense, make that produce the most affordable food on the market. Let people get a stalk of broccoli for a quarter. I know that's only a dream, and a bit of my inner-socialist speaking. :lol: