US warns palestinians:want statehood? we'll cut aid

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  • quimby20
    quimby20 Posts: 823
    Byrnzie wrote:
    quimby20 wrote:
    I am so sorry, you are so much more intelligent then I. I don't know what I was thinking. I should just kiss your ring.....you prick.


    Internet tough guy.


    I suggest you take your lame comments over to Youtube's comments section where you'll find more like-minded people slinging cheap-shots at each other behind the safety of their computer screens.
    No asshole, I am not an internet tough guy and feel free to come to Grand Rapids, MI anytime to discuss it.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,021
    quimby20 wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    quimby20 wrote:
    I am so sorry, you are so much more intelligent then I. I don't know what I was thinking. I should just kiss your ring.....you prick.


    Internet tough guy.


    I suggest you take your lame comments over to Youtube's comments section where you'll find more like-minded people slinging cheap-shots at each other behind the safety of their computer screens.
    No asshole, I am not an internet tough guy and feel free to come to Grand Rapids, MI anytime to discuss it.
    See you've just joined a month ago? You may have already had a private convo with the mods. If not, just a helpful hint. This type of stuff is against the rules and deemed unacceptable here or on any forum of this website. Dial it back a bit on the personal posts.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    mickeyrat wrote:
    See you've just joined a month ago? You may have already had a private convo with the mods. If not, just a helpful hint. This type of stuff is against the rules and deemed unacceptable here or on any forum of this website. Dial it back a bit on the personal posts.

    His pro-Israel comments on the first page of this thread were rubbished by reference to some inconvenient facts. Therefore he's spent the last two pages spouting insults and playing the tough guy.

    He's not the first, and he won't be the last.
  • quimby20
    quimby20 Posts: 823
    Sorry I am pro-Israel..... This is my final post on this subject, I am also sorry I am a new member to this site. I f I have offended you or the moderators, My apologies but I don't agree with your position. Lets agree to disagree.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,698
    quimby20 wrote:
    Sorry I am pro-Israel..... This is my final post on this subject, I am also sorry I am a new member to this site. I f I have offended you or the moderators, My apologies but I don't agree with your position. Lets agree to disagree.
    for what specific reasons are you pro-israel?

    what is it that makes you go against the majority of the world in this conflict. check that...occupation??

    were you for or against white minority rule in south africa? because the same thing is happening in the israel palestine conflict today...
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  • The Great Cornholio
    The Great Cornholio Posts: 157
    edited September 2011
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    The Great Cornholio wrote:
    dude, israel and the jews have their state and place in the world. they are not in any danger, despite the fearmongering and propaganda fed to the gullible.

    This is about as ignorant a comment as they come. You know the Jews are only 66 years removed from the Holocaust when millions upon millions of Jews were murdered, right? To say the Jews aren't in trouble when they are surrounded by enemies is ridiculous.

    wow, the foundation of the current state of israel (a supposed safe haven for jews) was the result of the now illegitimate league of nations backed by the colonialist british. the very same league of nations that stood back and saw no problem with fascist italy invade their african 'territories' and the nazis invade poland prior to WW2. the region where the jews were settled in had no consultation with the 'palestinian' land nor did the surrounding regions. no matter the emotional feeling, for those in the area this was a provocative measure and if it happened now it would be deemed illegal. i'm not at all denying the need for a home for the jewish people, but you have to understand the complexities of israel being dropped into a region that had already a people living there and historically had conflicting relations with jews.

    also, when the state of israel was founded, the leaders of that state made publicly clear their determination for the establishment of an israeli land based on biblical terms. now again, this is totally provocative and out of order.

    gaza is the victim of ethnic cleansing and genocide -- as proscribed by international law. israel has the 4th or 5th larget military on the planet. gaza/palestine has no national military or air force or navy. it can't defend itself, which israel exploit with their power via US tax dollars. this is totally immoral and unethical.

    another fact that may escape zionist apoloists is that israel break more UN resolutions and international laws than any other nation on the planet -- even more that the bogeymen of iran and north korea.
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  • The Great Cornholio
    The Great Cornholio Posts: 157
    qimpy20, you've embarrassed yourself amongst adults. go back to your tea party lies and propaganda.
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  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    The Great Cornholio wrote:
    a region that had already a people living there and historically had conflicting relations with jews.
    not true, muslims and jews lived relatively in peace until the modern zionist movement began to gain more ground.
  • The Great Cornholio
    The Great Cornholio Posts: 157
    fuck wrote:
    The Great Cornholio wrote:
    a region that had already a people living there and historically had conflicting relations with jews.
    not true, muslims and jews lived relatively in peace until the modern zionist movement began to gain more ground.

    true, though historically the jewsih inhabitants where expelled from that land by the romans to make way for what was then called 'syria-palaestina' and what is now designated palestine land (which is not their fault)

    you are correct that jews and muslims lived peacefully together. it was only until western intervention and zionist 'moderation' that conflict occured.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    fuck wrote:
    muslims and jews lived relatively in peace until the modern zionist movement began to gain more ground.

    Right, and in fact many Jews living in that region in the early 20th Century opposed the influx of Zionists and the later founding of the State of Israel, because they knew it would only lead to conflict.
  • quimby20
    quimby20 Posts: 823
    Byrnzie wrote:
    fuck wrote:
    muslims and jews lived relatively in peace until the modern zionist movement began to gain more ground.

    Right, and in fact many Jews living in that region in the early 20th Century opposed the influx of Zionists and the later founding of the State of Israel, because they knew it would only lead to conflict.


    So basically I can conclude you are anti-Semitic. It is becoming obvious.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    quimby20 wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    fuck wrote:
    muslims and jews lived relatively in peace until the modern zionist movement began to gain more ground.

    Right, and in fact many Jews living in that region in the early 20th Century opposed the influx of Zionists and the later founding of the State of Israel, because they knew it would only lead to conflict.


    So basically I can conclude you are anti-Semitic. It is becoming obvious.


    Keep it up genius!
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    to end this argument lets just cut aid to every country and fix this one first (America) :D

    Godfather.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,021
    quimby20 wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    fuck wrote:
    muslims and jews lived relatively in peace until the modern zionist movement began to gain more ground.

    Right, and in fact many Jews living in that region in the early 20th Century opposed the influx of Zionists and the later founding of the State of Israel, because they knew it would only lead to conflict.


    So basically I can conclude you are anti-Semitic. It is becoming obvious.
    please share with us how being opposed to the philosophy of Zionism(which as I understand it is establishing a racially pure, nationalist state, sounding an awful lot like another country in the 1930's or barring that another aparteid like state) is anti semetic?
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  • puremagic
    puremagic Posts: 1,907
    edited September 2011
    quimby20 wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    This just goes to show once again that the U.S is not an honest broker for peace and doesn't a fuck about the rights of the Palestinians.

    But then the whole World knows this now.

    And yet Americans still scratch their heads and wonder why they are hated, and why things such as 9/11 occur?


    But Obama continues to throw Jews under the Bus. So who's rights should America be concerned with? The Jews or the Palestinians???? I put my Support with Israel.

    President Obama, just like Reagan and GW Bush in their support for a Palestinian state, again, stipulated that clause, which neither Israel or the Palestinian representative would meet, a withdrawal of UN Resolution 242, which mandates a return to the ‘1967’ border and was unanimously approved by the full UN Security Council. Also, now in the mist of this dispute is UN Resolution 338, regarding Israel’s unlawful settlement activity into the areas that were to be resolved by Resolution 242.

    The US has not been in favor of a Palestinian State; it’s always been a dog-n-pony show, just like the talks between North/South Korea. However, now that the Palestinian’s have a ‘real’ chance of being recognized by the UN the pressure is on Israel to ensure that the US supports a ‘NO’ vote. WHY you ask – because Israel is NOT is member of the UN, it is only an observer. Even though the US could stop aid to any Palestinian entity, as it did with Gaza and the Hamas leadership – as a full UN member the US would have to support and afford a Palestinian state the same rights, privileges and, yes, protections as it is sworn to do with the South Korea, Japan, Germany, and so on and so on. If the US decided it did not want to intervene to help, Russia and China as full members of the UN could step in and assist the Palestinian state.
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  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    Byrnzie wrote:
    fuck wrote:
    muslims and jews lived relatively in peace until the modern zionist movement began to gain more ground.

    Right, and in fact many Jews living in that region in the early 20th Century opposed the influx of Zionists and the later founding of the State of Israel, because they knew it would only lead to conflict.
    True. Not just that, Jews living in the region were opposed to the narrative European Jewish Zionists were trying to create (this arab v jew thing) because Jews living in the Middle East considered themselves Arab. So, how can you have an ideology preaching a state for Jewish people, exclusive of Arabs, when many of these Jews considered themselves Arab and identified more closely with Arabs than with European Jews. And once the Zionists began their terrorist operations in Palestine and began making their Zionist dream more of a reality with European and Western help, Arab Jews did indeed have a harder time living in this environment, and eventually many migrated or were forced to go to Israel. Once they arrived there, they were treated as second-class citizens by the European Jews precisely because they were seen as too 'Arab' and not white enough for them. This is still a problem today, and the biggest sign of this is the fact that European Jews are much more financially well off than Arab Jews. The issue with Zionism is not only racism against non-Jews, but even against Arab, and more obviously Ethopian and African Jews as well! It a racist ideology from start to finish and does not belong in a supposed 21st century, post-colonial, liberal and globalized world.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,698
    quimby20 wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    fuck wrote:
    muslims and jews lived relatively in peace until the modern zionist movement began to gain more ground.

    Right, and in fact many Jews living in that region in the early 20th Century opposed the influx of Zionists and the later founding of the State of Israel, because they knew it would only lead to conflict.


    So basically I can conclude you are anti-Semitic. It is becoming obvious.
    new flash...you can oppose the policies of the israeli government and still not be an anti-semite. that would be like me calling you anti-muslim because you don't support a palestinian state. that is a slippery slope you are on my friend...

    is everything black and white with you?

    again i will ask, for what reasons do you support israel?? i am sure most of us would like to know so we can better understand where you are coming from with your posts...
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  • quimby20
    quimby20 Posts: 823
    Godfather. wrote:
    to end this argument lets just cut aid to every country and fix this one first (America) :D

    Godfather.


    Amen....... I agree 100% with you statement.
  • quimby20
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    [/quote]
    new flash...you can oppose the policies of the israeli government and still not be an anti-semite. that would be like me calling you anti-muslim because you don't support a palestinian state. that is a slippery slope you are on my friend...

    is everything black and white with you?

    again i will ask, for what reasons do you support israel?? i am sure most of us would like to know so we can better understand where you are coming from with your posts...[/quote]

    My support of Israel is purely a personal one. I am not claiming to be an expert though I know enough to get in trouble. A lot of my believes come from my conversations I have had with my Jewish friends and their concerns over a Palestinian state.
  • The Great Cornholio
    The Great Cornholio Posts: 157
    quimby20 wrote:

    My support of Israel is purely a personal one. I am not claiming to be an expert though I know enough to get in trouble. A lot of my believes come from my conversations I have had with my Jewish friends and their concerns over a Palestinian state.

    so the denial of human rights, civil rights and of freedom is of no concern to you or your 'friends' ?

    what do your 'friends' find concerning about the legitimacy of a palestinian state ?
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