Or, if you don't want to get into the maths, you can try for the 'European lottery' : I got pushed all the way to the front fence on my first show. GA : :thumbup:
I always thought that the more goods that you bought from Ten Club the better your chances would be. I mean they know how much each of us spend on this site. It's kind of like looking after the people that look after you. All I really buy through the club is tickets so I would assume that my chances would be lowered by that fact. Just my theory.
nah, that theory doesn't hold water either because I have never spent a dime on anything
from the goods section and including last night I have now won the lottery 8 times.
since you need to purchase tickets via the Ten Club to be eligible for the lottery, and you have 0 ticket purchases in your account, I'd venture a guess that you've NOT won the lottery 8 times.
I don't know how they choose, but I was at Row1 in Toronto 2 and sometimes I still can't believe it. I never even had dreamed of such thing to happen. With my friend George, we passed the Greek flag to Eddie before Jeremy after his signal. We now have Mike and Eddie's pens and (most important) Eddie's saliva and DNA as he gave us his bottle of wine after Y. Led.
Many Congrats to the guy next to me who sang every single lyric and deserved to have Eddies bottle. Eddie had noticed him and gave him the bottle and a tambourine.
Travelled from Greece, spent 2500$ only for aeroplane, tickets and accomodation, but I had the once in a lifetime experience: 1st Row!!!!!!!!!!!
PS: I showed my ticket every 20 meters to the security guys and everyone told me to go further infront, and further infront. When I reached the 1st row, I almost had a heart-attack.
Athens,GR-30/9/06
London,GB-25/6/10
Berlin,DE-30/6/10
Werchter,BE-4/7/10
East Troy,US-3/9/11
East Troy,US-4/9/11
Toronto,CA-11/9/11
Toronto,CA-12/9/11
Prague,CZ-2/7/12
Berlin,DE-4/7/12
Stockholm,SE-7/7/12
Oslo,NO-9/7/12
Copenhagen,DK-10/7/12
DS1119 your odds are all the same because every show starts your odds back over.
I wish fucking Stephen Hawkings would weigh in on this already.
I know the odds for each show are the same. I have never said differently. All I keep saying is the more shows you go to the better your chances of winning lottery tickets are. It's a very simple concept.
better chances of winning? You could also say the better chances of losing also.
"thru extensive negotiations we managed to get the curfew moved back..... we still don't have any time to fu&k around...."
LA II 06, SB 06, SF III 06, Kokua 07 Ed and Jack, Grant Park 07, EV Berk1 & LA 1 (nice job 10c), 08 DC, MSG1 &2, VH1 rocks, EV Bos II, EV NYC I & II, Milwaukee, EV Maui, EV Hono I & II, Chicago 09 I & II, LA 09 I & II & IV, SD 09 (my girlfriend hit the lottery, best concert of my life 10C rocks)KC 2010, STL 2010, Hartford. Boston, and MSG I & II "who goes around skinning cats anyway", PJ 20 2011 , Portland, Spokane, Seattle LA 2013, Home Shows + Missoula (fatal 👌)
If a coint has been flipped 10 times and come up heads each time.
What are the odds of it coming up tails on the 11th flip.......
No wonder they have all those large beautiful buildings in Vegas.
It's still 50/50. This is not gambling however. I gamble quite a bit and I'm a poker player...I understand what you're saying. I'm not saying the statistics of one single show are affected by how many you have attended. A Pearl Jam virgin has the same shot for hitting the lottery at any random show as someone who has been to 200 PJ shows has as long as they both have tickets to the same show. I can't believe so many people have trouble realizing this concept. The more shows you attend in your life the more opportunities you have to win the lottery hence over time someone who has attended more shows simply by mathematics should have won the lottery more. Think of it this way. Two baseball players have identical skill levels and play the identical competitions...who is more likely to hit 500 home runs over their career...player A who played for five seasons and had 2500 at bats or player B who played for 20 seasons and had 10,000 at bats. Obvioulsy player B...they just had more oppotunities for the homeruns despite the exact conditions.
Monty Hall problem, anyone? Or how about the "downwind faster than the wind" one. I love those, and have spent days arguing the math with friends and strangers over the internet.
About Stephen Hawking, we were in an elevator in Chicago after Alpine, and it announced the floor we were on with a computerized voice. My son said "They must have paid a fortune to get Stephen Hawking to do the elevator voice." I almost died laughing.
And, just because I feel the need again, a quote straight from the 10 Club, "These are chosen through a randomized selection. There is no “who you know” to it. We absolutely do not play that game, it’s just not what we are about."
Here is some data for your number/ odds discussion:
I have attended 7 Pearl Jam shows...(not counting the two Ed solo shows I have seen)
I have purchased fan club tickets to 5 of these shows. (if you count PJ20 as two separate shows) I have won the lottery twice. (9th row at Chicago 1 in 2009, and Front Row for PJ20 day 2)
So considering that i had a definite lawn ticket for night 1 of PJ20 you could say that out of 4 shows, I have won the lottery twice....what are the odds of that? If it helps my number is 430XXX a realllly high number.
Here is some data for your number/ odds discussion:
I have attended 7 Pearl Jam shows...(not counting the two Ed solo shows I have seen)
I have purchased fan club tickets to 5 of these shows. (if you count PJ20 as two separate shows) I have won the lottery twice. (9th row at Chicago 1 in 2009, and Front Row for PJ20 day 2)
So considering that i had a definite lawn ticket for night 1 of PJ20 you could say that out of 4 shows, I have won the lottery twice....what are the odds of that? If it helps my number is 430XXX a realllly high number.
No one really knows, but over 4 shows you'd have a 90.37% chance of not winning the lottery at all, 9.27% chance of winning once and 0.36% chance of winning at least twice (most of that is the chance of winning twice, almost no chance of winning more than twice), using the 1 in 40 assumption. That's about a 1 in 250 chance, not as unlikely as people would think.
1998 ~ Barrie
2003 ~ Toronto
2005 ~ London, Toronto
2006 ~ Toronto
2008 ~ Hartford, Mansfied I,
2009 ~ Toronto, Chicago I, Chicago II
2010 ~ Cleveland, Buffalo
2011 ~ Toronto I, Toronto II, Ottawa, Hamilton
2013 - London, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
I agree though, winners names should not be removed from winning to any other show of the tour. I am allowed to win the state and national lotteries as many times as I can. This should be no different.
I don't think the persons name should be taken out of the drawing...Just cross their name off for that row that already have won once on that tour...
Jeremy
That is a terrible idea you have there. Just an awful one.
Also, you have said numerous times that you were done with this topic, but yet you keep repeating the same tired statement over and over. We get it, you don't know what you are talking about. You need not convince us any further.
Let's see, who's word to take....the Ten Club, or some dude who weirdly signs his first name to every post he makes, and continually repeats the same things, long after he claimed he was done with this topic, in an attempt to drown out the truth with his paranoid conspiracy theories????
And the winner is, The Ten Club!
Congratulations to the Ten Club. Better luck next time, Jeremy.
Let's see, who's word to take....the Ten Club, or some dude who weirdly signs his first name to every post he makes, and continually repeats the same things, long after he claimed he was done with this topic, in an attempt to drown out the truth with his paranoid conspiracy theories????
And the winner is, The Ten Club!
Congratulations to the Ten Club. Better luck next time, Jeremy.
LMFAO I must admit something.. When I feel down or blue, I come read these forums, cause you guys argue about the silliest shit!! So far favorites have to be.. the hair dye theory, the Truck description and the Vegetarian debate!! You guys are just TOOO funny!!
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LMFAO I must admit something.. When I feel down or blue, I come read these forums, cause you guys argue about the silliest shit!! So far favorites have to be.. the hair dye theory, the Truck description and the Vegetarian debate!! You guys are just TOOO funny!!
Just check out the thread about Matt Cameron t-shirt.....After you read that.....Tell me if the lottery is random or not?....
Jeremy
Are you serious? Random or not, if someone in the band wants a fan in the front row to acknowledge something cool they've done, that's the band's right. If band management or whoever, wants to place a fan in the front row so a member of the band will notice this fan for whatever reason, I'm fine with this and I'm pretty sure most of us would be. This 'example' you've given is actually a pretty cool story.....
I agree...It is a cool story...I am happy for the person who was able to trade the shirt for the drum sticks etc...My point is that isn't totally random for the lottery rows....I am thinking it is just a few per the first two rows who are hand picked to be there...But, my point is it does happen...When a lot of fans on here totally disagree this doesn't happen...
So, it is totally random?...The 10c can do what they want....Pick or choice whoever they want to be those rows...But, don't keep on calling it totally random...When it isn't...
I still think it's random. A guy with a MFC shirt winning the lottery doesn't really convince me otherwise.
I would think majority of it is random winners...But, it isn't totally random....The 10c does hand pick fans to be in the front row or second row etc....
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i can't believe people are still chiming in SERIOUSLy with math and probabilities
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Many Congrats to the guy next to me who sang every single lyric and deserved to have Eddies bottle. Eddie had noticed him and gave him the bottle and a tambourine.
Travelled from Greece, spent 2500$ only for aeroplane, tickets and accomodation, but I had the once in a lifetime experience: 1st Row!!!!!!!!!!!
PS: I showed my ticket every 20 meters to the security guys and everyone told me to go further infront, and further infront. When I reached the 1st row, I almost had a heart-attack.
London,GB-25/6/10
Berlin,DE-30/6/10
Werchter,BE-4/7/10
East Troy,US-3/9/11
East Troy,US-4/9/11
Toronto,CA-11/9/11
Toronto,CA-12/9/11
Prague,CZ-2/7/12
Berlin,DE-4/7/12
Stockholm,SE-7/7/12
Oslo,NO-9/7/12
Copenhagen,DK-10/7/12
What are the odds of it coming up tails on the 11th flip.......
No wonder they have all those large beautiful buildings in Vegas.
LA II 06, SB 06, SF III 06, Kokua 07 Ed and Jack, Grant Park 07, EV Berk1 & LA 1 (nice job 10c), 08 DC, MSG1 &2, VH1 rocks, EV Bos II, EV NYC I & II, Milwaukee, EV Maui, EV Hono I & II, Chicago 09 I & II, LA 09 I & II & IV, SD 09 (my girlfriend hit the lottery, best concert of my life 10C rocks)KC 2010, STL 2010, Hartford. Boston, and MSG I & II "who goes around skinning cats anyway", PJ 20 2011 , Portland, Spokane, Seattle LA 2013, Home Shows + Missoula (fatal 👌)
It's still 50/50. This is not gambling however. I gamble quite a bit and I'm a poker player...I understand what you're saying. I'm not saying the statistics of one single show are affected by how many you have attended. A Pearl Jam virgin has the same shot for hitting the lottery at any random show as someone who has been to 200 PJ shows has as long as they both have tickets to the same show. I can't believe so many people have trouble realizing this concept. The more shows you attend in your life the more opportunities you have to win the lottery hence over time someone who has attended more shows simply by mathematics should have won the lottery more. Think of it this way. Two baseball players have identical skill levels and play the identical competitions...who is more likely to hit 500 home runs over their career...player A who played for five seasons and had 2500 at bats or player B who played for 20 seasons and had 10,000 at bats. Obvioulsy player B...they just had more oppotunities for the homeruns despite the exact conditions.
About Stephen Hawking, we were in an elevator in Chicago after Alpine, and it announced the floor we were on with a computerized voice. My son said "They must have paid a fortune to get Stephen Hawking to do the elevator voice." I almost died laughing.
And, just because I feel the need again, a quote straight from the 10 Club, "These are chosen through a randomized selection. There is no “who you know” to it. We absolutely do not play that game, it’s just not what we are about."
I have attended 7 Pearl Jam shows...(not counting the two Ed solo shows I have seen)
I have purchased fan club tickets to 5 of these shows. (if you count PJ20 as two separate shows)
I have won the lottery twice. (9th row at Chicago 1 in 2009, and Front Row for PJ20 day 2)
So considering that i had a definite lawn ticket for night 1 of PJ20 you could say that out of 4 shows, I have won the lottery twice....what are the odds of that? If it helps my number is 430XXX a realllly high number.
2003 ~ Toronto
2005 ~ London, Toronto
2006 ~ Toronto
2008 ~ Hartford, Mansfied I,
2009 ~ Toronto, Chicago I, Chicago II
2010 ~ Cleveland, Buffalo
2011 ~ Toronto I, Toronto II, Ottawa, Hamilton
2013 - London, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
on my ride in today
true story
Also, you have said numerous times that you were done with this topic, but yet you keep repeating the same tired statement over and over. We get it, you don't know what you are talking about. You need not convince us any further.
And the winner is, The Ten Club!
Congratulations to the Ten Club. Better luck next time, Jeremy.
what are these threads that you speak of?
8/15/92, 9/28/96, 8/28/98, 8/29/98, 9/18/98, 8/3/00, 8/9/00, 8/10/00, 8/23/00, 8/25/00, 9/1/00, 9/2/00, 4/28/03, 6/18/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 10/1/04, 10/3/05, 6/19/08, 10/27/09, 10/31/09, 5/21/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/21/13
More to Come....
RM22 with the funny
Jeremy
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Are you serious? Random or not, if someone in the band wants a fan in the front row to acknowledge something cool they've done, that's the band's right. If band management or whoever, wants to place a fan in the front row so a member of the band will notice this fan for whatever reason, I'm fine with this and I'm pretty sure most of us would be. This 'example' you've given is actually a pretty cool story.....
So, it is totally random?...The 10c can do what they want....Pick or choice whoever they want to be those rows...But, don't keep on calling it totally random...When it isn't...
Jeremy
I would think majority of it is random winners...But, it isn't totally random....The 10c does hand pick fans to be in the front row or second row etc....
Jeremy