I have not heard or read of anyone sub 100XXX winning the lotto - maybe because it could make their seats worse if it bumped them to 9/10 when their seniority seat could be 5/6???
Back when the lottery was implemented, the question was raised abut someone being "downgraded" by the lottery and it was answered (Tim B I think, maybe Santos) that you could not get worse seats from the lottery...basically if your pre-lotteyr normal seats were 4th row, you'd eithe hit lottery for row 1 or 2 or get 6th row, not get bounced back to 9 or 10.
Now earlier in the thread Pillow Pants mentioned he knows someone who got moved form a normal row 6 to row 10, could be a faux pas by the system or could have been at a venue with numerous season tix (Meadows/Dodge whatever you want to call it in Hartford is a good example, every other row in the front sections there were non 10 club, season tix) where his seniority got him a little further back than at other venues.
I have not heard or read of anyone sub 100XXX winning the lotto - maybe because it could make their seats worse if it bumped them to 9/10 when their seniority seat could be 5/6???
Back when the lottery was implemented, the question was raised abut someone being "downgraded" by the lottery and it was answered (Tim B I think, maybe Santos) that you could not get worse seats from the lottery...basically if your pre-lotteyr normal seats were 4th row, you'd eithe hit lottery for row 1 or 2 or get 6th row, not get bounced back to 9 or 10.
Now earlier in the thread Pillow Pants mentioned he knows someone who got moved form a normal row 6 to row 10, could be a faux pas by the system or could have been at a venue with numerous season tix (Meadows/Dodge whatever you want to call it in Hartford is a good example, every other row in the front sections there were non 10 club, season tix) where his seniority got him a little further back than at other venues.
I have not heard or read of anyone sub 100XXX winning the lotto - maybe because it could make their seats worse if it bumped them to 9/10 when their seniority seat could be 5/6???
Back when the lottery was implemented, the question was raised abut someone being "downgraded" by the lottery and it was answered (Tim B I think, maybe Santos) that you could not get worse seats from the lottery...basically if your pre-lotteyr normal seats were 4th row, you'd eithe hit lottery for row 1 or 2 or get 6th row, not get bounced back to 9 or 10.
Now earlier in the thread Pillow Pants mentioned he knows someone who got moved form a normal row 6 to row 10, could be a faux pas by the system or could have been at a venue with numerous season tix (Meadows/Dodge whatever you want to call it in Hartford is a good example, every other row in the front sections there were non 10 club, season tix) where his seniority got him a little further back than at other venues.
Thats funny I got my typo-spelling correction edited in before you quoted to try and make me look like an ass.
I have not heard or read of anyone sub 100XXX winning the lotto - maybe because it could make their seats worse if it bumped them to 9/10 when their seniority seat could be 5/6???
Back when the lottery was implemented, the question was raised abut someone being "downgraded" by the lottery and it was answered (Tim B I think, maybe Santos) that you could not get worse seats from the lottery...basically if your pre-lotteyr normal seats were 4th row, you'd eithe hit lottery for row 1 or 2 or get 6th row, not get bounced back to 9 or 10.
Now earlier in the thread Pillow Pants mentioned he knows someone who got moved form a normal row 6 to row 10, could be a faux pas by the system or could have been at a venue with numerous season tix (Meadows/Dodge whatever you want to call it in Hartford is a good example, every other row in the front sections there were non 10 club, season tix) where his seniority got him a little further back than at other venues.
i know someone in a johnny dangerously grapevine type of way
Bring your kids to the shows and make sure that someone in the ticket window sees this.......BINGO, lottery winner!
Kids have become the ultimate props at PJ shows.Whether or not it helps with the lottery I don't know, but I've seen so many people bring kids and hold them up and point to the band for picks/tambourines/etc... so sickening. :evil:
These math numbers make no sense at all because not everyone in row 1, 2, 9 & 10 are lottery winners from the 10 Club. So assuming you can figure out a mathematical equation without knowing how many seats are in those lottery rows is foolish.
Without knowing how many winners there are per night and how many actual seats there are each night, no mathematical equation will work.
Ever hear of an illustrative example?
Don't think the statistician was trying to say "Everyone has a 28% chance to win on day X"...
The statistician was trying to say "Before you guys freak out about how obviously unfair it all is, here is an example using ballpark numbers that shows how big/small the chances might actually be".
Are his numbers exact? Probably not. Do they show that, say, *somebody* winning twice in a row is more likely than you think... or you yourself winning once is less likely than you think? Yup.
Bring your kids to the shows and make sure that someone in the ticket window sees this.......BINGO, lottery winner!
This may be the first reason I've ever seen that gives me a hint of a desire to want a kid.
Then again... 10c window folks aren't doing genetics testing, I imagine and I have nieces and nephews... soooooo... back to having no desire whatsoever...
I think the lottery thing has nothing to do with being fair and 100% due to luck.
As far as bring kids to the shows, if it is appropriate, I have no problems with it. My grandson absolutely loves pearl jam, more than I do. He would not begg for picks or anything, he would just do his silly fistpump to alive and clap like crazy at the end of every song.
I would not bring him to a show until he gets a little older and I find a excellent pair of earplugs to protect his hearing. If he got a pick or a tamborine out of it, that would make his day and he would treasure it for his life. That said, we would never be able to afford seats that close and my # is way to high to get us that close to the stage, so it is something we do not need to worry about.
For the time being, he has You Tube!
And I thought your seats and /or winning the lottery has been determined long before you get to the will call ticket window.
Kids have become the ultimate props at PJ shows.Whether or not it helps with the lottery I don't know, but I've seen so many people bring kids and hold them up and point to the band for picks/tambourines/etc... so sickening. :evil:
Kids have become the ultimate props at PJ shows.Whether or not it helps with the lottery I don't know, but I've seen so many people bring kids and hold them up and point to the band for picks/tambourines/etc... so sickening. :evil:
definitely. saw it both nights in Toronto.
Yes, parents spent tons of money to go to shows for a slight chance of upgrade and the even slighter chance a pick or tambourine goes their way.
I'm sure you are much more deserving of these items because clearly selflessness is high amongst your qualities as a human.
I hope the 10c starts giving row 1-2 to people under 10 years old.
Entitled much??
Edit: I buy sticker and button packs (probably more then others) and hand the stickers and buttons to little kids at the shows.
I do it because in 15 years when they are into their 20's the band will still tour for old fucks like me.
It also makes them happy.
Go to Guitar Center, purchase tambourines and guitar picks. You'll be whole then.
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"Honesty will always be construed as negative to a dumbass"
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Kids have become the ultimate props at PJ shows.Whether or not it helps with the lottery I don't know, but I've seen so many people bring kids and hold them up and point to the band for picks/tambourines/etc... so sickening. :evil:
definitely. saw it both nights in Toronto.
Yes, parents spent tons of money to go to shows for a slight chance of upgrade and the even slighter chance a pick or tambourine goes their way.
I'm sure you are much more deserving of these items because clearly selflessness is high amongst your qualities as a human.
I hope the 10c starts giving row 1-2 to people under 10 years old.
Entitled much??
woah, that was uncalled for.
I have no problem with the parents that had seats in front of me. they were either guests or had 10C numbers. I couldnt care less who they bring with them.
I'm not a parent, but I would be seriously concerned about a young child's hearing by bringing them to a concert, even with protection. (parents that dont have protection for their kids should be arrested). also, I dont remember much from when I was 3 or 4 years old and in both cases in Toronto, the child looked very bored and the parent and child left early. just have to question why people bring young children to shows, but hey, to each their own.
EDIT, also, if I did ever bring a child to a show, I would try to find seats where the child could actually see rather than think that floor seats will be enjoyable.
Bring your kids to the shows and make sure that someone in the ticket window sees this.......BINGO, lottery winner!
Kids have become the ultimate props at PJ shows.Whether or not it helps with the lottery I don't know, but I've seen so many people bring kids and hold them up and point to the band for picks/tambourines/etc... so sickening. :evil:
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I have no problem with the parents that had seats in front of me. they were either guests or had 10C numbers. I couldnt care less who they bring with them.
I'm not a parent, but I would be seriously concerned about a young child's hearing by bringing them to a concert, even with protection. (parents that dont have protection for their kids should be arrested). also, I dont remember much from when I was 3 or 4 years old and in both cases in Toronto, the child looked very bored and the parent and child left early. just have to question why people bring young children to shows, but hey, to each their own.
EDIT, also, if I did ever bring a child to a show, I would try to find seats where the child could actually see rather than think that floor seats will be enjoyable.
unless you're eddie vedder's kid or matt cameron's kid, etc...i don't think kids should be at pearl jam shows. people are smoking weed, getting drunk, and some even acting like idiots. not an enviornment for kids.
I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
I have no problem with the parents that had seats in front of me. they were either guests or had 10C numbers. I couldnt care less who they bring with them.
I'm not a parent, but I would be seriously concerned about a young child's hearing by bringing them to a concert, even with protection. (parents that dont have protection for their kids should be arrested). also, I dont remember much from when I was 3 or 4 years old and in both cases in Toronto, the child looked very bored and the parent and child left early. just have to question why people bring young children to shows, but hey, to each their own.
EDIT, also, if I did ever bring a child to a show, I would try to find seats where the child could actually see rather than think that floor seats will be enjoyable.
unless you're eddie vedder's kid or matt cameron's kid, etc...i don't think kids should be at pearl jam shows. people are smoking weed, getting drunk, and some even acting like idiots. not an enviornment for kids.
So by this logic people shouldn't ever leave their homes. More vehicle accidents happen within 3 miles of a persons home. This doesn't seem a good environment to go either.
Perhaps the people who do the dumb behavior shouldn't be there?
"Honesty will always be construed as negative to a dumbass"
:-)
I have no problem with the parents that had seats in front of me. they were either guests or had 10C numbers. I couldnt care less who they bring with them.
I'm not a parent, but I would be seriously concerned about a young child's hearing by bringing them to a concert, even with protection. (parents that dont have protection for their kids should be arrested). also, I dont remember much from when I was 3 or 4 years old and in both cases in Toronto, the child looked very bored and the parent and child left early. just have to question why people bring young children to shows, but hey, to each their own.
EDIT, also, if I did ever bring a child to a show, I would try to find seats where the child could actually see rather than think that floor seats will be enjoyable.
Agreed- that was quite the overreaction there.
My point wasn't that I think its horrible the band gives out stuff to kids up front. My point is that I have seen COUNTLESS times where parents are holding their kids up every time the band looks over and uses their kids are props to be seen. Its the equivalent of someone bringing a sign and tossing it up everytime the band is looking, except instead its a kid that is (usually) too young to even know what is going on.
I'm not saying I'm a better person than anyone, but I am saying that many of the time I have seen this the parents are NOT doing it for the kids but for themselves.
Call me whatever you want, but I've seen it so many times and the number of times its genuine are outnumbered by the times its not. And because people know this, they bring kids who are WAY too young to be at a show in front of massive speakers just to show off their kids to the band and hope something gets tossed their way.
In Toronto we saw a woman with a baby (with no ear protection either, btw) that we were both certain was no more than 6 months old (my wife thought no more than 3 months, but I thought maybe a tad over just comparing to nieces/nephews). UNDER SIX MONTHS OLD AT A PJ SHOW WITH NO EAR PROTECTION. But you're right... who am I to think that's a bad idea since I don't have a kid myself. :?
So by this logic people shouldn't ever leave their homes. More vehicle accidents happen within 3 miles of a persons home. This doesn't seem a good environment to go either.
Perhaps the people who do the dumb behavior shouldn't be there?
Using extreme examples to try and make a point is useless... although saying 'kids shouldnt be allowed' is a gross overstatement too.
But if you're kid is too young to enjoy the show and/or be alert for it, get a sitter. If a kid is old enough to enjoy the show and actually knows the songs, etc than by all means bring them with if they're going to have a good time.
How about this for a generic statement: if you're bringing the kid for their happiness and not your own selfish reasons, then bring them. If not, get a sitter and enjoy the show without having to worry about it.
So by this logic people shouldn't ever leave their homes. More vehicle accidents happen within 3 miles of a persons home. This doesn't seem a good environment to go either.
Perhaps the people who do the dumb behavior shouldn't be there?
Using extreme examples to try and make a point is useless... although saying 'kids shouldnt be allowed' is a gross overstatement too.
But if you're kid is too young to enjoy the show and/or be alert for it, get a sitter. If a kid is old enough to enjoy the show and actually knows the songs, etc than by all means bring them with if they're going to have a good time.
How about this for a generic statement: if you're bringing the kid for their happiness and not your own selfish reasons, then bring them. If not, get a sitter and enjoy the show without having to worry about it.
Your last point seems fair.
"Honesty will always be construed as negative to a dumbass"
:-)
Please point out where I called you a name/anything?
Which is worse... Having kids at concerts or smoking in a car?
You are using one argument to bridge another one.
You are angry kids, or parents of kids get these cheap props. So now you skew it into a point of protection of the kids hearing.
You have a valid point. But it is vailed in nonsense.
I'm glad the parents "prop" their kids up for swag.
One day the kid may get it, which advances the band.
The arguments people make change because you went off into a few different directions basically attacking the notion of someone having an opinion about extremely young kids at a PJ show.
My point is that its sick parents bring kids that are too young to even know where they are at and hold them up in the middle of a song to get the bands attention. Its sick. Kids that are singing along and know the songs IS a great thing... they arent the ones that make me cringe whatsoever, but if you're bringing them with the intent of getting better seats or getting stuff from the band or just trying to constantly get their attention its sick.
And since over the past 3-5 years people have had success doing it, more and more people are doing it because they're seen it work. The situations people will put their infants/toddlers through to get a wave from EV is really sick.
As for your name calling in the other response - it wasnt name calling but was incredibly arrogant and condescending:
"I'm sure you are much more deserving of these items because clearly selflessness is high amongst your qualities as a human... Entitled much??"
I have no problem with the parents that had seats in front of me. they were either guests or had 10C numbers. I couldnt care less who they bring with them.
I'm not a parent, but I would be seriously concerned about a young child's hearing by bringing them to a concert, even with protection. (parents that dont have protection for their kids should be arrested). also, I dont remember much from when I was 3 or 4 years old and in both cases in Toronto, the child looked very bored and the parent and child left early. just have to question why people bring young children to shows, but hey, to each their own.
EDIT, also, if I did ever bring a child to a show, I would try to find seats where the child could actually see rather than think that floor seats will be enjoyable.
unless you're eddie vedder's kid or matt cameron's kid, etc...i don't think kids should be at pearl jam shows. people are smoking weed, getting drunk, and some even acting like idiots. not an enviornment for kids.
So by this logic people shouldn't ever leave their homes. More vehicle accidents happen within 3 miles of a persons home. This doesn't seem a good environment to go either.
Perhaps the people who do the dumb behavior shouldn't be there?
if you don't have the understanding that a child shouldn't be up past a late hour with loud music in the midst of people smoking weed, drinking, and acting like idiots, then i don't know what to tell you.
I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
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Now earlier in the thread Pillow Pants mentioned he knows someone who got moved form a normal row 6 to row 10, could be a faux pas by the system or could have been at a venue with numerous season tix (Meadows/Dodge whatever you want to call it in Hartford is a good example, every other row in the front sections there were non 10 club, season tix) where his seniority got him a little further back than at other venues.
not to mention the box office switches the tickets for the most part anyway
i know someone in a johnny dangerously grapevine type of way
4 rows x 7 days in a week = 28 + 3 possible margin of error = 31
31 x 2 = 62%
Ever hear of an illustrative example?
Don't think the statistician was trying to say "Everyone has a 28% chance to win on day X"...
The statistician was trying to say "Before you guys freak out about how obviously unfair it all is, here is an example using ballpark numbers that shows how big/small the chances might actually be".
Are his numbers exact? Probably not. Do they show that, say, *somebody* winning twice in a row is more likely than you think... or you yourself winning once is less likely than you think? Yup.
This may be the first reason I've ever seen that gives me a hint of a desire to want a kid.
Then again... 10c window folks aren't doing genetics testing, I imagine and I have nieces and nephews... soooooo... back to having no desire whatsoever...
As far as bring kids to the shows, if it is appropriate, I have no problems with it. My grandson absolutely loves pearl jam, more than I do. He would not begg for picks or anything, he would just do his silly fistpump to alive and clap like crazy at the end of every song.
I would not bring him to a show until he gets a little older and I find a excellent pair of earplugs to protect his hearing. If he got a pick or a tamborine out of it, that would make his day and he would treasure it for his life. That said, we would never be able to afford seats that close and my # is way to high to get us that close to the stage, so it is something we do not need to worry about.
For the time being, he has You Tube!
And I thought your seats and /or winning the lottery has been determined long before you get to the will call ticket window.
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what if i bring my dog?
definitely. saw it both nights in Toronto.
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Yes, parents spent tons of money to go to shows for a slight chance of upgrade and the even slighter chance a pick or tambourine goes their way.
I'm sure you are much more deserving of these items because clearly selflessness is high amongst your qualities as a human.
I hope the 10c starts giving row 1-2 to people under 10 years old.
Entitled much??
Edit: I buy sticker and button packs (probably more then others) and hand the stickers and buttons to little kids at the shows.
I do it because in 15 years when they are into their 20's the band will still tour for old fucks like me.
It also makes them happy.
Go to Guitar Center, purchase tambourines and guitar picks. You'll be whole then.
:-)
woah, that was uncalled for.
I have no problem with the parents that had seats in front of me. they were either guests or had 10C numbers. I couldnt care less who they bring with them.
I'm not a parent, but I would be seriously concerned about a young child's hearing by bringing them to a concert, even with protection. (parents that dont have protection for their kids should be arrested). also, I dont remember much from when I was 3 or 4 years old and in both cases in Toronto, the child looked very bored and the parent and child left early. just have to question why people bring young children to shows, but hey, to each their own.
EDIT, also, if I did ever bring a child to a show, I would try to find seats where the child could actually see rather than think that floor seats will be enjoyable.
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+1
All parents in thread, please write this all down.
Listen to yourself, life lessons are not valid from someone who has no life lessons.
I am not a pilot, I can't advice anyone on how to fly planes.
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unless you're eddie vedder's kid or matt cameron's kid, etc...i don't think kids should be at pearl jam shows. people are smoking weed, getting drunk, and some even acting like idiots. not an enviornment for kids.
So by this logic people shouldn't ever leave their homes. More vehicle accidents happen within 3 miles of a persons home. This doesn't seem a good environment to go either.
Perhaps the people who do the dumb behavior shouldn't be there?
:-)
My point wasn't that I think its horrible the band gives out stuff to kids up front. My point is that I have seen COUNTLESS times where parents are holding their kids up every time the band looks over and uses their kids are props to be seen. Its the equivalent of someone bringing a sign and tossing it up everytime the band is looking, except instead its a kid that is (usually) too young to even know what is going on.
I'm not saying I'm a better person than anyone, but I am saying that many of the time I have seen this the parents are NOT doing it for the kids but for themselves.
Call me whatever you want, but I've seen it so many times and the number of times its genuine are outnumbered by the times its not. And because people know this, they bring kids who are WAY too young to be at a show in front of massive speakers just to show off their kids to the band and hope something gets tossed their way.
In Toronto we saw a woman with a baby (with no ear protection either, btw) that we were both certain was no more than 6 months old (my wife thought no more than 3 months, but I thought maybe a tad over just comparing to nieces/nephews). UNDER SIX MONTHS OLD AT A PJ SHOW WITH NO EAR PROTECTION. But you're right... who am I to think that's a bad idea since I don't have a kid myself. :?
But if you're kid is too young to enjoy the show and/or be alert for it, get a sitter. If a kid is old enough to enjoy the show and actually knows the songs, etc than by all means bring them with if they're going to have a good time.
How about this for a generic statement: if you're bringing the kid for their happiness and not your own selfish reasons, then bring them. If not, get a sitter and enjoy the show without having to worry about it.
Which is worse... Having kids at concerts or smoking in a car?
You are using one argument to bridge another one.
You are angry kids, or parents of kids get these cheap props. So now you skew it into a point of protection of the kids hearing.
You have a valid point. But it is vailed in nonsense.
I'm glad the parents "prop" their kids up for swag.
One day the kid may get it, which advances the band.
Edit: guess what? Loud music isn't good for anyone's ears.
:-)
Your last point seems fair.
:-)
My point is that its sick parents bring kids that are too young to even know where they are at and hold them up in the middle of a song to get the bands attention. Its sick. Kids that are singing along and know the songs IS a great thing... they arent the ones that make me cringe whatsoever, but if you're bringing them with the intent of getting better seats or getting stuff from the band or just trying to constantly get their attention its sick.
And since over the past 3-5 years people have had success doing it, more and more people are doing it because they're seen it work. The situations people will put their infants/toddlers through to get a wave from EV is really sick.
As for your name calling in the other response - it wasnt name calling but was incredibly arrogant and condescending:
"I'm sure you are much more deserving of these items because clearly selflessness is high amongst your qualities as a human... Entitled much??"
if you don't have the understanding that a child shouldn't be up past a late hour with loud music in the midst of people smoking weed, drinking, and acting like idiots, then i don't know what to tell you.