There's Something Wrong With Aunt Diane

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  • unlost dogs
    unlost dogs Greater Boston Posts: 12,553
    prljamgirl wrote:
    I feel like you are all wasting your time and energy trying to reason with Pandora and get her to see some logic.....she can't see past the end of her own nose when it comes to something other than her own opinion.

    When did we devolve this thread into an attack on a specific poster?

    The discussion is about the documentary, not 10C members. Let's stick to the topic.

    My prior role required me to read a lot of autospy reports and interview pathologists. If she had something like a brain abscess, it likely would have been immediately identified upon opening the skull, or exploring the brain itself.

    That's not so say that she didn't have some other subtle process going on. But I really think that if she did, they would have found some clinical sign of it by now.

    Tests are just tests, though. The results show what they do, now all anyone can do is try to backfill a story that matches. And nothing that I've read here (I haven't seen the documentary) clearly explains what happened to her, or why there is such an apparent disconnect between how she appeared to others and what the toxicology findings demonstrated.

    The part that's really hard to stomach is all the resulting litigation.
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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    edited August 2011
    pandora wrote:
    Something happened to her... to her brain function and it points directly to the abscess.

    From the autopsy report:

    "Brain, Hippocampi, Right and Left: (2) No pathological changes. The brain tissue has no inflammatory response (glial reaction or lyphocytes) and no neuronal inclusions. Mild post mortem artifacts of processing of brain tissue, pseudo brain tissue edema and pyknotic neurons.
    The leptomeninges are free of cell infiltrates."
    .......
    "The 1340 gram brain has some softening and the brain gyri are unremarkable on on sectioning the brain reveals demarcated cortex and white matter with no mass lesions of hemorrhages. Cerebellum and brain stem are unremarkable on sectioning. The brain base arteries and in the central Circle of Willis area some accumulation of post mortem clot with no significant subrachnoid hemorrhages to no aneurysms. The upper cervical spine canal ans Atlanto-occipital dislocation and transection of the spinal cord with no significant hemorrhages"

    All of this 'medical' stuff (if one cares to read it), straight from the autopsy report. No infection, no abscess, no 'event'. Anything like that would be seen upon sectioning of the brain (or MRIs). No excuse. Plain and simple.

    This obviously does not explain the why (and that no one will every find out) but it does give the hard facts.
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  • Sea
    Sea Posts: 3,126
    Please stick to debating the topic. No more derailing topic integrity or personal attacks. See the Posting Guidelines. Be nice. Discuss, disagree and debate politely. It's possible to disagree with people without being abusive, and it's a requirement here.

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  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    After hearing the stories...I don't believe there is any way possible someone isnt knowingly consuming the equivalent of 10 shots of vodka, and smoking weed, at some point during their binge.

    She fucked up. Really bad. Likely made terrible decisions, but terrible things happen to good people.
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  • FenwayFaithful
    FenwayFaithful Posts: 8,626
    Wow. Guess I should watch this.
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  • unlost dogs
    unlost dogs Greater Boston Posts: 12,553
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    After hearing the stories...I don't believe there is any way possible someone isnt knowingly consuming the equivalent of 10 shots of vodka, and smoking weed, at some point during their binge.

    She fucked up. Really bad. Likely made terrible decisions, but terrible things happen to good people.

    Too true... could be one single poor choice that leads to something like this.
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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    I was wondering if anyone thought this doc bias at all in favor of one theory or the other?
  • prljamgirl
    prljamgirl Edmonton, AB Posts: 602
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    After hearing the stories...I don't believe there is any way possible someone isnt knowingly consuming the equivalent of 10 shots of vodka, and smoking weed, at some point during their binge.

    She fucked up. Really bad. Likely made terrible decisions, but terrible things happen to good people.

    Exactly....
  • CROJAM95
    CROJAM95 Posts: 10,802
    This Doc isn't that thought provoking. Her BAC was high, as was she from the pot. The reasons for why she got here are in the "who cares category" for me.We want motives, but motives aren't important in this case..... She did something horrible

    Its our own curiosity as humans to want to know why. This family is unique to others who try to heal from such a tragedy, instead they seek the camera with no real ground to stand on. HBO reached out to them, and was probably shocked they wanted to participate. It's very much dominated by the Shulers instead of the small amount dedicated to the victims of the other car.

    This isn't an unsolved murder mystery, we know who the culprit is
  • AllNiteThing
    AllNiteThing Posts: 1,115
    pandora wrote:
    She had the symptoms from the info in the documentary related to such.
    Beginning stages...headache, nausea, confusion,

    when it become severe it results in

    Fever, vision problems, grave confusion,
    also paralysis can occur depending what part of the brain is affected.
    Understanding speech is effected as is cognitive ability....
    eventually coma.

    Hmm, I've never heard of fever or vision problems causing somebody to drink. :roll: Too bad she wasn't paralyzed or sent into a coma, then she wouldn't have her foot on the gas, flying straight down the highway. That's quite a stretch of logic there.

    pandora wrote:
    Her personality traits coupled with being gravely ill proved to be deadly.
    Her nature.... to never ask for help and a must do type person, always in control
    kept her moving when she was without rational thought driven only by pain and fear.

    Who said she was gravely ill?! Sorry, but a toothache doesn't make someone gravely ill. You're actually painting her as a good person by saying her 'do everything' attitude led her to make a mistake. How about the pot smoking part of her nature? Or the likely closet alcoholic part of her nature?
    pandora wrote:
    I go to the fact no one could provide any evidence of her being a drunk or addict.
    Only good things were said about her by the people who knew her best...
    to casual friends throughout the years, to coworkers etc.

    Who did they ask? Her husband and sister in law. Of course they are defending her. Her husband seems shady and likely keeping a lot of things hidden from the public about her and their relationship. It's very possible, very likely that there is a lot more to her than was presented in this documentary, and I'd bet it's not all flattering. We do know she smoked weed, and every time the husband was asked about it he got really uncomfortable and gave different answers.
    pandora wrote:
    so why assume the very worse.

    Maybe because she was intoxicated and 7 PEOPLE/4 CHILDREN ARE DEAD?! :evil:
    pandora wrote:
    I believe she did not make rational decisions and knowingly drink

    And everyone is entitled to their opinion.

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    Sure, you can have a positive opinion of murderers, child molesters, drunks, abusers, you name it. Doesn't mean you're not going to get called out on it.
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  • AllNiteThing
    AllNiteThing Posts: 1,115
    CROJAM95 wrote:
    Being an apologist for a drunk...... I'll keep that to myself

    You're a better message board poster than I. :oops:
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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    I think not everyone here watched the doc perhaps :? ... I don't know

    numerous people were interviewed on her character not just her husband and sister in law
    people from all aspects of her life throughout the years, this they spent a lot of time on.

    the doc did a good job on conveying her character, I thought, in general, maybe too good.

    One reason why I asked if anyone thought it a bias doc.

    Perhaps reading about a brain abscess might help to understand what really happens,
    I didn't know either and found it very informative, it helped me visualize what she may be experiencing.

    Actually I found it frightening considering my need of dental work repair.
    Now I will know the symptoms cause there is not always great pain
    and it is life threatening.

    Why would people assume that a person with conflicting opinions are more lenient than they
    on other topics ? That's a leap to judgement.

    Opinions are meant to be shared not judged, well thats what I think... at least amongst friends.
  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    FenwayFaithful wrote:
    Wow. Guess I should watch this.

    It's on right now. I think it's on a couple more times today too. HBO.
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  • CROJAM95
    CROJAM95 Posts: 10,802
    Don't people GET it

    A car is like a loaded gun after you drink

    Murders now have a defense.... My tooth hurt, so I had to purge
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    pandora wrote:
    Perhaps reading about a brain abscess might help to understand what really happens,
    I didn't know either and found it very informative, it helped me visualize what she may be experiencing.

    Good you are reading up on brain abscesses and what they are, but, again, since there were issues with the brain tissue, as the autopsy reports verified, it's not really relevant here, is it?
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    redrock wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Perhaps reading about a brain abscess might help to understand what really happens,
    I didn't know either and found it very informative, it helped me visualize what she may be experiencing.

    Good you are reading up on brain abscesses and what they are, but since there were issues with the brain tissue, as the autopsy reports verified, it's not really relevant here, is it?
    there were issues? or not ?
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Again not a toothache but a brain abscess



    Brain abscess (or cerebral abscess) is an abscess caused by inflammation and collection of infected material, coming from local (ear infection, dental abscess, infection of paranasal sinuses, infection of the mastoid air cells of the temporal bone, epidural abscess) or remote (lung, heart, kidney etc.) infectious sources, within the brain tissue. The infection may also be introduced through a skull fracture following a head trauma or surgical procedures. Brain abscess is usually associated with congenital heart disease in young children. It may occur at any age but is most frequent in the third decade of life.

    lots of good info on the internet listing symptoms etc.
    in case anyone wants to know more
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    pandora wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Perhaps reading about a brain abscess might help to understand what really happens,
    I didn't know either and found it very informative, it helped me visualize what she may be experiencing.

    Good you are reading up on brain abscesses and what they are, but since there were issues with the brain tissue, as the autopsy reports verified, it's not really relevant here, is it?
    there were issues? or not ?
    :roll: OK... caught my typo... guess you didn't bother reading the autopsy post... It's 'were no'

    Edit: For ease of reference, here is the 'important' bit of the post:

    "From the autopsy report:

    "Brain, Hippocampi, Right and Left: (2) No pathological changes. The brain tissue has no inflammatory response (glial reaction or lyphocytes) and no neuronal inclusions. "
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    I believe an abscess was not looked into... this one reason for the exhumation along with other tests.

    I believe this is what the family is attempting to prove as the expert doctor, that cute old guy,
    said on the doc... for finality do this. Hopeful to find an answer... a better one.
    I really liked that guy :D


    "The results of an autopsy conducted by a Westchester County medical examiner one day after the accident found that Schuler had not suffered a stroke, aneurysm, or heart attack.
    In September, New York's top forensic pathologist said that a hair test should have been done to determine Diane Schuler's drug history."

    Perhaps they will be able to find out one way or another and I still pray the results show an abscess for this small boys sake and her loving family. That would be awesome for all involved. A healing end.

    It would be a better outcome than
    she was a thoughtless drunk driver who didn't care about the kids in her car,
    this not something there seems to be any proof of.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    pandora wrote:
    I believe an abscess was not looked into...

    Pandora... the brain was sliced, every bit of it looked at! Thus the conclusion in the autopsy that the brain (or sections thereof) was 'unremarkable'. I have quoted the bits that were relevant to the brain and head. Please read and you may understand that this was physically looked into. You can pray as much as you want, but the cold facts are there.

    Now for hair test and drug history... that's different.
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