There's Something Wrong With Aunt Diane

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  • Lizard
    Lizard So Cal Posts: 12,091
    Watched it this weekend. I agree with this:
    norm wrote:

    however, the facts are this...she was drunk...really drunk and probably high...her husband and s-i-l need to let this go...no amount of tests will reveal what was going on in her head at that time
    So I'll just lie down and wait for the dream
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  • AllNiteThing
    AllNiteThing Posts: 1,115
    redrock wrote:
    The husband is just 'deflecting' by shifting responsibility to everyone but his wife - suing the state and also, it has been reported, pathetically filing a lawsuit against the father of those three little girls killed by his wife (his nieces - family!) because it was his van and therefore he was liable?!?!?! . I guess he must have problems coming to terms his wife WAS drunk and high and killed 4 little children (all family) and 3 other people due to her, and only her, actions. It's an insult to the families of the men killed in the SUV and an insult to the parents of the three little nieces. He is best to face reality, for his son's sake.

    Very well said. The husband and sister in law are grasping at straws to try to explain something that is fairly evident to most outside observers, and looking to lay blame everywhere but where it is deserved. They can't accept the fact that what Diane did was a despicable, and that will dominate everyone's memory of her.
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  • AllNiteThing
    AllNiteThing Posts: 1,115
    pandora wrote:
    Rygar wrote:
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    The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:
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  • AllNiteThing
    AllNiteThing Posts: 1,115
    Thanks for calling me out to the mods. Apparently some people can't handle themselves in a debate without calling foul and running to some higher authority to bail them out. :roll: It says a lot about one's character, as does supporting a known drunk driving murderer. Maybe next we can have a thread where someone defends a child molester who only did so because he had a migraine. ;)
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  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    edited August 2011
    AllNiteThing wrote:
    Thanks for calling me out to the mods. Apparently some people can't handle themselves in a debate without calling foul and running to some higher authority to bail them out. :roll: It says a lot about one's character, as does supporting a known drunk driving murderer. Maybe next we can have a thread where someone defends a child molester who only did so because he had a migraine. ;)

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  • unlost dogs
    unlost dogs Greater Boston Posts: 12,553
    loveontwolegs wrote:
    Pathology laboratories are under pretty strict regulations from their certifying organizations. Botched toxicology tests can cost their accreditations, costing hospitals or labs millions in lost revenue/year.

    As much as I would like to have a heart, and look at the human side of this story, science rarely is wrong. Not only did she have a .19 BAC, there was liquid in her gut that hadn't been metabolized yet.

    Poor decisions were made, lives were lost. Tragic.

    This is true, and there is a specific chain of custody for all evidence, including blood and tissue specimens for toxicology testing. And the body itself.

    There's no denying she was positive for alcohol and THC. There's also no denying that completely unconnected people who talked with her before the accident (campground owner, McDonald's and gas station employees) said she didn't appear intoxicated.

    We'll just never know.
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  • CROJAM95
    CROJAM95 Posts: 10,802
    No excuse for drunk driving, if you are alone in the car

    5 kids takes it to a different level. Call 911 or a family member if your not feeling good. Being an apologist for a drunk...... I'll keep that to myself
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    I've bee researching her physical state if indeed she had a
    tooth abscess that moved to the brain.

    She had the symptoms from the info in the documentary related to such.
    Beginning stages...headache, nausea, confusion,

    when it become severe it results in

    Fever, vision problems, grave confusion,
    also paralysis can occur depending what part of the brain is affected.
    Understanding speech is effected as is cognitive ability....
    eventually coma.

    When I went into watching this doc I thought she was an awful person
    and now I believe she was extremely ill.
    Her behavior tells me this as does the chain of events.

    Her personality traits coupled with being gravely ill proved to be deadly.
    Her nature.... to never ask for help and a must do type person, always in control
    kept her moving when she was without rational thought driven only by pain and fear.

    As far as being an apologist that would be an incorrect statement.
    Haven't read how unforgiving I can be. :lol:

    I go to the fact no one could provide any evidence of her being a drunk or addict.
    Only good things were said about her by the people who knew her best...
    to casual friends throughout the years, to coworkers etc.
    so why assume the very worse.

    This DUI is different... why a doc was done in the first place, a controversial case.

    I believe she did not make rational decisions and knowingly drink
    but I believe everyone assumed this, including myself.
    I know now some have doubts as I do.

    And everyone is entitled to their opinion.

    I pray for her surviving son that this theory can somehow be proven to be true.

    If not perhaps he can use this information as he grows up, to help him cope
    most especially when his mother is attacked by others that don't know for sure what happened
    and assume the worst.
  • loveontwolegs
    loveontwolegs Posts: 501
    -If she was in such excrutiating pain, would a family camping trip really be somewhere she wanted to be?

    -Control issues, double life, secrets. Addiction is cunning, baffling, powerful and SELFISH. The disease of addiction will do anything to keep it alive in its host, including lying to loved ones. My father is a funny, kindhearted soul that everyone loves and has never missed a day of work in his life. My father is an alcoholic, and his addiction continues to devastate my family daily. You should read One Crafty Mother's blog site. Sober now, she gives insight into how absolutely skilled she was at hiding her addiction from those that loved her most.

    -The money that they are using to exhume the body, run additional tests should instead be used to get the remaining family a lot of therapy to deal with this horrific tragedy.


    One thing that I take issue with Pandora, is you have mentioned many times addiction/horrible person. Addiction is a disease, you don't have to be a horrible person to have it.
  • CROJAM95
    CROJAM95 Posts: 10,802
    When a majority of us were stating the annoyance of a select few at Eds shows who ruined the vibe with their inability to drink like a normal person, or not be such sloppy drunks

    I remember someone defending them, and saying they can't help themselves. Not seeing that a Normal person wouldn't react this way at a Chill theatre not being under the influence. That it was excitement of being near Ed...... Bullshit. That flies at a PJ gig, drunks who make asses out of themselves in public are indeed drunks.

    People who drink and drive are drunks at the time. Let's defend people who stick their necks out for the advancement of people. Ie volunteers, etc. Not some trash that partied a lil too hard at camp.

    It's a shame she didn't survive like most of these scummy drunks. She got off easy
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    edited August 2011
    Going by autopsy report, apart from the alcohol/drugs and injuries due to the crash, there was nothing to suggest ANYTHING went to her brain, whether infection or 'event' of any kind. 'Unremarkable' is the term used in these cases.

    So... toxicology results - massive amount of alcohol (some still undigested in her stomach) and drugs, autopsy (brain sliced) - nothing wrong with the brain. Hmmmm... for me that's enough to say she was obviously seriously 'under the influence' when she had the accident and none of these 'excuses'.

    Whether she may have been doing drugs/drinking/been depressed/supressed, whatever before that does not take away the fact that she deliberately went in her car drunk and high with 4 little children, killed them and other innocent people. As 'saintly' as she may have seemed to be in her life (maybe all is not what it seems there too).

    Again, husband needs help in coming to terms with what his wife did so he can 'let it be'. Maybe then the families of the other children and adults killed by this woman can also find closure.
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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    loveontwolegs wrote:
    -If she was in such excrutiating pain, would a family camping trip really be somewhere she wanted to be?

    -Control issues, double life, secrets. Addiction is cunning, baffling, powerful and SELFISH. The disease of addiction will do anything to keep it alive in its host, including lying to loved ones. My father is a funny, kindhearted soul that everyone loves and has never missed a day of work in his life. My father is an alcoholic, and his addiction continues to devastate my family daily. You should read One Crafty Mother's blog site. Sober now, she gives insight into how absolutely skilled she was at hiding her addiction from those that loved her most.

    -The money that they are using to exhume the body, run additional tests should instead be used to get the remaining family a lot of therapy to deal with this horrific tragedy.


    One thing that I take issue with Pandora, is you have mentioned many times addiction/horrible person. Addiction is a disease, you don't have to be a horrible person to have it.

    :clap::clap:
  • Lizard
    Lizard So Cal Posts: 12,091
    I thought it was sad when the husband said he never even wanted kids and now he has to raise his son alone. Damn. Now that kid is gonna know that when he is older!
    So I'll just lie down and wait for the dream
    Where I'm not ugly and you're lookin' at me
  • PureandEasy
    PureandEasy Posts: 5,818
    I haven’t read through this whole thread, but to those of you who got a message from the mods, they don’t have to receive a complaint to give you a warning. I think you might be accusing someone of something that may not have taken place. The mods may have just felt the thread was getting a little nasty. That’s all they need to give you a shout out to cool it or whatever they told you to do.

    Don't just assume someone complained specifically about you.
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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    loveontwolegs wrote:

    One thing that I take issue with Pandora, is you have mentioned many times addiction/horrible person. Addiction is a disease, you don't have to be a horrible person to have it.

    So true.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    From what I read tooth/ brain abscess can go from no pain or very manageable
    to life threatening with extreme lost of brain function.

    Are we are assuming she is an addict and drunk here without proof?

    I know addiction is a disease please don't assume I know nothing about that.
    More than I care to really.

    My point I think I didn't get across it is a horrible person who gets behind the wheel knowingly to endanger children
    This my assumption as it appears to be many here.

    this before I watched the doc.


    I go back to no evidence she was the least bit compromised until after the accident.

    Something happened to her... to her brain function and it points directly to the abscess.
  • prljamgirl
    prljamgirl Edmonton, AB Posts: 602
    edited August 2011
    I feel like you are all wasting your time and energy trying to reason with Pandora and get her to see some logic.....she can't see past the end of her own nose when it comes to something other than her own opinion.
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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Lizard wrote:
    I thought it was sad when the husband said he never even wanted kids and now he has to raise his son alone. Damn. Now that kid is gonna know that when he is older!
    I thought the same too,
    I know he is grieving and overwhelmed and then adding all the hatred toward his wife
    but yes he should have not shared that for his boys sake, I hope it came from wanting to escape from this nightmare and his child will someday understand that he didn't mean it.

    .
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    prljamgirl wrote:
    I feel like you are all wasting your time and energy trying to reason with Pandora....she can't see past the end of her own nose when it cones to something other than her own opinion.
    we are all entitled to our opinion and it is no ones job to reason someone out of it
  • prljamgirl
    prljamgirl Edmonton, AB Posts: 602
    loveontwolegs wrote:
    -If she was in such excrutiating pain, would a family camping trip really be somewhere she wanted to be?

    -Control issues, double life, secrets. Addiction is cunning, baffling, powerful and SELFISH. The disease of addiction will do anything to keep it alive in its host, including lying to loved ones. My father is a funny, kindhearted soul that everyone loves and has never missed a day of work in his life. My father is an alcoholic, and his addiction continues to devastate my family daily. You should read One Crafty Mother's blog site. Sober now, she gives insight into how absolutely skilled she was at hiding her addiction from those that loved her most.

    -The money that they are using to exhume the body, run additional tests should instead be used to get the remaining family a lot of therapy to deal with this horrific tragedy.


    One thing that I take issue with Pandora, is you have mentioned many times addiction/horrible person. Addiction is a disease, you don't have to be a horrible person to have it.

    VERY WELL SAID!!! I tried a couple of days ago to get Pandora to see that anyone could suffer from addiction and that there are a lot of people out there who are VERY good at hiding it.....there's no point in trying to make her see a logical side of this debate, she is blind to it and will only believe what she wants to believe about Diane Schuler.
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