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81 Needing a ride to Forest Hills and a ounce of weed. Please inquire within. Thanks. Or not. Posts: 58,276there is also talk the Cubs are willing to eat a big chunk of the zambrano and soriano contracts to move them.
both would make me sad. it's fun watching soriano misplay ball after ball in left, and you can never have enough zambrano melt downs.81 is now off the air0 -
Jackson being flipped to Cards and Rasmus to Toronto. Cards are obviously going to get more than just Jackson.0
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81 wrote:there is also talk the Cubs are willing to eat a big chunk of the zambrano and soriano contracts to move them.
both would make me sad. it's fun watching soriano misplay ball after ball in left, and you can never have enough zambrano melt downs.
Saw that about both of them. Not sure what team would want either without their contracts though.
I was always a fan of Soriano.0 -
Cliffy6745 wrote:Jackson being flipped to Cards and Rasmus to Toronto. Cards are obviously going to get more than just Jackson.
If that is the haul, AA just nutted all over the cards0 -
81 wrote:The Juggler wrote:sadly, this only gonna make bud selig more thirsty for a more vast replay policy.
give all the managers a challenge mechanisim. no balls/strikes, but safe vs. out. two a game would be more than enough. or one per game, that renews if you are correct.0 -
tcaporale wrote:81 wrote:The Juggler wrote:sadly, this only gonna make bud selig more thirsty for a more vast replay policy.
give all the managers a challenge mechanisim. no balls/strikes, but safe vs. out. two a game would be more than enough. or one per game, that renews if you are correct.
fuck that. baseball doesn't need replays. if anything just put more umps on the field.
the nfl should be proof of how awful replay is
plus watching the manager/umpire arguments is great0 -
latest rumor is beltran to SF for jon sanchez
I'm not a fan of sanchez, but that's not a bad haul for the mets.
regardless, it sounds like he's going to SF0 -
tcaporale wrote:81 wrote:The Juggler wrote:sadly, this only gonna make bud selig more thirsty for a more vast replay policy.
give all the managers a challenge mechanisim. no balls/strikes, but safe vs. out. two a game would be more than enough. or one per game, that renews if you are correct.I wish I was as fortunate, as fortunate as me.0 -
STL just got ass raped. This makes absolutely no sense to me. AA is a beast
The Cardinals will send Rasmus, Trever Miller, Brian Tallet, and P.J. Walters to the Blue Jays for Jackson, Rzepczynski, Dotel, and Corey Patterson, tweets ESPN's Buster Olney. Olney adds that Miller is then expected to be traded to the White Sox.0 -
The Fixer wrote:STL just got ass raped. This makes absolutely no sense to me. AA is a beast
The Cardinals will send Rasmus, Trever Miller, Brian Tallet, and P.J. Walters to the Blue Jays for Jackson, Rzepczynski, Dotel, and Corey Patterson, tweets ESPN's Buster Olney. Olney adds that Miller is then expected to be traded to the White Sox.
Yeah, LaRussa is one smug sonofabitch who has wayyy too much say into how things are run there. Toronto is really taking shape.0 -
The Fixer wrote:STL just got ass raped. This makes absolutely no sense to me. AA is a beast
The Cardinals will send Rasmus, Trever Miller, Brian Tallet, and P.J. Walters to the Blue Jays for Jackson, Rzepczynski, Dotel, and Corey Patterson, tweets ESPN's Buster Olney. Olney adds that Miller is then expected to be traded to the White Sox.0 -
tvismyfriend wrote:The Fixer wrote:STL just got ass raped. This makes absolutely no sense to me. AA is a beast
The Cardinals will send Rasmus, Trever Miller, Brian Tallet, and P.J. Walters to the Blue Jays for Jackson, Rzepczynski, Dotel, and Corey Patterson, tweets ESPN's Buster Olney. Olney adds that Miller is then expected to be traded to the White Sox.
that's coming from larussa, so I don't believe it. The guy has potential to be one of the best OFers in MLB.
so the jays have made two big trades for guys with 'bad attitudes'. since lawrie got moved all I have read is how great he has been. I think this is a great trade for the jays0 -
tvismyfriend wrote:The Fixer wrote:STL just got ass raped. This makes absolutely no sense to me. AA is a beast
The Cardinals will send Rasmus, Trever Miller, Brian Tallet, and P.J. Walters to the Blue Jays for Jackson, Rzepczynski, Dotel, and Corey Patterson, tweets ESPN's Buster Olney. Olney adds that Miller is then expected to be traded to the White Sox.
Yeah, says Asshole LaRussa. Apparently Cox couldn't stand Escobar and look how that's working out. You're squad is looking more and more legit.0 -
Jearlpam0925 wrote:tvismyfriend wrote:The Fixer wrote:STL just got ass raped. This makes absolutely no sense to me. AA is a beast
The Cardinals will send Rasmus, Trever Miller, Brian Tallet, and P.J. Walters to the Blue Jays for Jackson, Rzepczynski, Dotel, and Corey Patterson, tweets ESPN's Buster Olney. Olney adds that Miller is then expected to be traded to the White Sox.
Yeah, says Asshole LaRussa. Apparently Cox couldn't stand Escobar and look how that's working out. You're squad is looking more and more legit.
good call on escobar. that's 3 trades for supposed bad apples that AA has made. great job of him buying low in all three cases0 -
giants gave up one of their top prospects, OF Gary Brown (BA has him as the 33rd best prospect as of midseason this year), and two other prospects for Beltran.
Here is Keith Law's take on the Rasmus trade. Pretty funny.
Looking at this White Sox-Blue Jays-Cardinals deal as a single, three-team sway, I love what Toronto did, don't understand what the White Sox did, and like St. Louis' short-term gain but not the cost or the signal about their internal priorities.
The Blue Jays give up four arms, at least three of whom are just relievers, plus a fringy big leaguer in Corey Patterson, and receive centerfielder Colby Rasmus plus about $7 million of dead weight in the shape of Mark Teahen, who has hit .259/.319/.397 since the start of 2008 and probably belongs in the Atlantic League. Rasmus is a potential star, a classic buy-low opportunity on a talented player who had fallen out of favor with his current organization but still has impact-player ceiling. Rasmus has star-level tools: He's a plus runner with good range in center who needs to work on his reads, shows good bat speed, has average to above-average power and a very good approach at the plate. However, he has not played well with the Cardinals' coaching staff, and that relationship has devolved over the last year into public sniping from both the coaches and from Rasmus' father, who remains a major influence on Colby's hitting, especially on his swing.
As an outsider, I can't tell you how much blame lies on either side, but La Russa does not suffer young players gladly, and getting Rasmus out of St. Louis to see if he can succeed in a completely different environment makes plenty of sense, especially since the cost for Toronto is one good prospect and a bunch of relievers. Rasmus was worth over 4 wins last year per Fangraphs' wins above replacement despite being misused much of the year and showing up as a below-average defender in center, which I don't expect him to be long-term. He'll slide Travis Snider back to a corner, and should no longer have to worry about where he's hitting in the lineup or whether he's in it at all. The acquisition has some risk, as it's possible Rasmus has peaked or just doesn't have the makeup to get along with any coaching staff, but I doubt either of those things is true. And over the long haul you always want to bet on high-upside talent when you can. (The Blue Jays also acquired Brian Tallet and Trever Miller, who will probably be trade bait in the next few days, and P.J. Walters, a nice organizational arm.)
The White Sox get salary relief while adding a useful bullpen arm in righty Jason Frasor, who has added a splitter over the last few years to make him more effective against left-handed hitters, as well as right-handed pitching prospect Zach Stewart. Stewart is a classic sinker-slider starter with great movement on a low-90s sinker that will touch the mid-90s; his control took a step forward this year but he wasn't getting as many groundballs, which is more a question of his pitching plan than a lack of life on the fastball. His slider is his best offspeed pitch, tight at 83-87 with good tilt, and he commands the pitch well, throwing it to both sides of the plate. He's got a solid-average or better changeup and showed no platoon split this year. With a show-me curveball and good control, he should be given every opportunity to start for Chicago, and I like pitching coach Don Cooper's chances to turn Stewart into at least a mid-rotation starter if not more.
What I don't understand here is why the White Sox are essentially selling, unless they were just clearing payroll to add something else. They're three games out of first place in the loss column, and after bottoming out at 11-22, have gone 39-30 since then, and have a very realistic chance to win their division, especially since they can add Dayan Viciedo and perhaps Addison Reed from their own farm system for the stretch run. They had some depth in the rotation, assuming they believe the Phil Humber Show can go on all year, but they are clearly worse off at the major league level today than they were last night -- and if they can't convert Stewart's stuff into results, they're going to be left with very little return for trading Daniel Hudson last year.
The Cardinals, meanwhile, have made a terrible organizational move by allowing their aging manager to run off the best hitting prospect the team has produced since drafting Albert Pujols. Whether La Russa was mostly responsible or only shares responsibility with Rasmus and his father, it is clear that La Russa's my-way-or-the-highway mentality has hurt the organization for this year and several years to come with the Rasmus fiasco, and unfortunately the front office's decision to retain La Russa for 2011 has come back to haunt them. Rasmus has the potential to be a 5- to 6-win player at his peak, and there's no manager in baseball who can produce that kind of value.
Jackson is actually in the midst of his best season in the majors, another feather in Cooper's cap, perhaps boosted by the fact that this is Jackson's contract year. Jackson has always thrown hard, and can hold mid- to upper-90s late into the game, but the fastball is true and he tries to pitch up in the zone with it too often. This year, he's throwing fewer fastballs and more hard sliders, up to 89, some short and cutter-like but others with more downward break, and the result has been more line-drive hits but fewer big flies because he's working lower in the zone. The shift to the National League should help him, and he is going to work with another pitching coach with a long track record of success with veteran arms. The Cardinals also get a right-handed specialist in Octavio Dotel -- who has been traded for more value in the past 12 months than he has produced in his entire career -- and left-hander Mark Rzepczynski, another sinker-slider guy with a terrible arm action who profiles as a reliever because he probably won't have the command or health to start.
As a stretch-run bolster for the Cardinals' rotation, Jackson is an excellent fit, and by pushing someone -- most likely Kyle McClellan, who has allowed 50 runs in his last 14 starts over 85 innings -- back to the pen, he's worth an extra two wins to this club over the rest of the year. They also get the more effective left-handed reliever they've needed all year in Rzepcynski. The price was just too high, and tells us that their internal emphasis is on their manager over their players -- which is backwards.0 -
Fucking a, go to butcher and signer for a legit steak lunch and come back to this. Damn. Now I have a call at 2. Sounds like the Mets are about to make out though.0
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Cliffy6745 wrote:Fucking a, go to butcher and signer for a legit steak lunch and come back to this. Damn. Now I have a call at 2. Sounds like the Mets are about to make out though.
Olney now saying it's zach wheeler, not brown as the headliner. I think he is generally regarded as a better prospect than brown.
And we're off cliff!0 -
81 Needing a ride to Forest Hills and a ounce of weed. Please inquire within. Thanks. Or not. Posts: 58,276In non trade news, Santana throws a no hitter81 is now off the air0
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The Fixer wrote:Cliffy6745 wrote:Fucking a, go to butcher and signer for a legit steak lunch and come back to this. Damn. Now I have a call at 2. Sounds like the Mets are about to make out though.
Olney now saying it's zach wheeler, not brown as the headliner. I think he is generally regarded as a better prospect than brown.
And we're off cliff!
Yeah, man. Here we go. Wheeler is their best pitching prospect so that is a great trade for the Mets for 2 months of Beltran.0 -
The Fixer wrote:STL just got ass raped. This makes absolutely no sense to me. AA is a beast
The Cardinals will send Rasmus, Trever Miller, Brian Tallet, and P.J. Walters to the Blue Jays for Jackson, Rzepczynski, Dotel, and Corey Patterson, tweets ESPN's Buster Olney. Olney adds that Miller is then expected to be traded to the White Sox.
How the fuck did they pull this off? What a terrible trade for the Cards. Jesus.0
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