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polaris_x · July 2011

imalive wrote:

they always say "admit it. you'll be forgiven" but I'm not so sure. especially with bonds. but, since you're a cycling geek, I do think Lance would be forgiven because of all the good he's done. but even he won't come clean.

i'm a sports fan ... but i value fair play, integrity and class above winning ... i can understand that guys would use PEDs if they weren't banned and the league turned a blind eye ... i got no problem with that ...

but when you're under oath and the whole world is watching and everyone knows you used them and kids are watching ... the guys i support come clean ...

lance has spent so much money on his brand and name and fighting this that he pretty much has no choice but to continue with the deception ...

Cliffy6745 · July 2011

The Juggler wrote:

imalive wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

as for the roids - the biggest beef i have is that when the shit hit the fan most of these hosers took the cowardly approach and lied or kept quiet ... if they are man enough to "cheat" they should be man enough to admit it ... but like the guys they are - they haven't ... integrity - there is none ...

they always say "admit it. you'll be forgiven" but I'm not so sure. especially with bonds. but, since you're a cycling geek, I do think Lance would be forgiven because of all the good he's done. but even he won't come clean.

back to those asshole writers...guys like tom verducci are the worst...they write articles like "Barry Bonds Smashing", they never mention steroids and then, after the fact, they grow a conscience :x . same with the toga clad mcgwire and sosa as SI's Sportsmen or the Year in 1998.

i wish we can just erase that whole era from our collective minds.

Dude, did Barry Bonds kill your dog while taking steroids or something? How did all this impact and traumatize you so much?

I just don't get the big deal, we know the majority of players were on steroids and we know they had an advantage over players in the 60's and 70's just like those players had an advantage over Ruth and them with greenies and black players being integrated.

I don't get the whole steroids ruined my childhood BS. I don't look back at that time I spent watching baseball any differently. I have the same memories and got the same enjoyment out of that time now as I did then.

Wobbie · July 2011

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Dude, did Barry Bonds kill your dog while taking steroids or something?

post of the day!

Johnny Abruzzo · July 2011

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Dude, did Barry Bonds kill your dog while taking steroids or something? How did all this impact and traumatize you so much?

Phila fans have a special hatred for Barry Bonds that dates back to the Pittsburgh days and his gay stabbing catches in the outfield. Combine that with the city's disposition in general and you have a level of irritation towards this particular athlete normally reserved only for the Dallas Cowboys.

I even saw Bonds play in Dodger Stadium, and there wasn't nearly the animosity that there was in Philly. As for me, I'm right with everyone else - I can't stand anything about the guy, never could and never will.

Wobbie · July 2011

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

I even saw Bonds play in Dodger Stadium, and there wasn't nearly the animosity that there was in Philly.

well, duh. before the gangbangers took over chavez ravine, it was basically a pussy crowd

The Juggler · July 2011

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Dude, did Barry Bonds kill your dog while taking steroids or something? How did all this impact and traumatize you so much?

Phila fans have a special hatred for Barry Bonds that dates back to the Pittsburgh days and his gay stabbing catches in the outfield. Combine that with the city's disposition in general and you have a level of irritation towards this particular athlete normally reserved only for the Dallas Cowboys.

I even saw Bonds play in Dodger Stadium, and there wasn't nearly the animosity that there was in Philly. As for me, I'm right with everyone else - I can't stand anything about the guy, never could and never will.

i actually liked him until his head ballooned into an oversized watermellon.

The Fixer · July 2011

polaris_x wrote:

imalive wrote:

they always say "admit it. you'll be forgiven" but I'm not so sure. especially with bonds. but, since you're a cycling geek, I do think Lance would be forgiven because of all the good he's done. but even he won't come clean.

i'm a sports fan ... but i value fair play, integrity and class above winning ... i can understand that guys would use PEDs if they weren't banned and the league turned a blind eye ... i got no problem with that ...

but when you're under oath and the whole world is watching and everyone knows you used them and kids are watching ... the guys i support come clean ...

lance has spent so much money on his brand and name and fighting this that he pretty much has no choice but to continue with the deception ...

seriously, what sport doesn't have guys that cheat? I can't think of any

The Fixer · July 2011

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Dude, did Barry Bonds kill your dog while taking steroids or something? How did all this impact and traumatize you so much?

Phila fans have a special hatred for Barry Bonds that dates back to the Pittsburgh days and his gay stabbing catches in the outfield. Combine that with the city's disposition in general and you have a level of irritation towards this particular athlete normally reserved only for the Dallas Cowboys.

I even saw Bonds play in Dodger Stadium, and there wasn't nearly the animosity that there was in Philly. As for me, I'm right with everyone else - I can't stand anything about the guy, never could and never will.

pre-marriage fixer used to LOVE when bonds came to town and his games landed on my plan. section 145, row 5 would always represent

polaris_x · July 2011

The Fixer wrote:

seriously, what sport doesn't have guys that cheat? I can't think of any

i'm not so jaded to think every sport has cheaters ... but again, it's secondary ... it's debatable whether they cheated as the league never banned PEDs previously ... the use of PED's without authorized use is against the law ... and when they had a chance to come clean - they didn't take the high road ... that's my gripe ... not the fact they took PEDs ...

JonnyPistachio · July 2011

The Fixer wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

imalive wrote:

they always say "admit it. you'll be forgiven" but I'm not so sure. especially with bonds. but, since you're a cycling geek, I do think Lance would be forgiven because of all the good he's done. but even he won't come clean.

i'm a sports fan ... but i value fair play, integrity and class above winning ... i can understand that guys would use PEDs if they weren't banned and the league turned a blind eye ... i got no problem with that ...

but when you're under oath and the whole world is watching and everyone knows you used them and kids are watching ... the guys i support come clean ...

lance has spent so much money on his brand and name and fighting this that he pretty much has no choice but to continue with the deception ...

seriously, what sport doesn't have guys that cheat? I can't think of any

True. But I think all the hate is because (not only the lies), but the fact that he was pretty good before his head turned into an over-sized watermelon like Juggler said..and he cheated to get to the VERY TOP. he could've been good without the cheating..why wasnt he satisfied with that? probably because he's greedy.

Johnny Abruzzo · July 2011

JonnyPistachio wrote:

True. But I think all the hate is because (not only the lies), but the fact that he was pretty good before his head turned into an over-sized watermelon like Juggler said..and he cheated to get to the VERY TOP. he could've been good without the cheating..why wasnt he satisfied with that? probably because he's greedy.

No, he was great. First ballot Hall of Famer before he ever slapped on the cream. He was jealous of McGwire & Sosa. He was having a perfectly normal career arc - he was still a great player, but on the other end of his prime, which was fine. And then, well, you know. Don't get me wrong, I still couldn't stand him even back then, but at least I respected how great a player he was. By 2001 i had NO respect for him at all. It was just a sham.

I know my beloved 1993 Phils were all juiced up, but at least we were all fairly naive back then. By 2001 it was obvious to all.

The Fixer · July 2011

polaris_x wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

seriously, what sport doesn't have guys that cheat? I can't think of any

i'm not so jaded to think every sport has cheaters ... but again, it's secondary ... it's debatable whether they cheated as the league never banned PEDs previously ... the use of PED's without authorized use is against the law ... and when they had a chance to come clean - they didn't take the high road ... that's my gripe ... not the fact they took PEDs ...

depends what they were taking. back in 98 mcgwire was buying andro at GNC

athletes are always going to look for an edge. it's human nature...especially when you get to these pro levels. all part of the game as far as I'm concerned

polaris_x · July 2011

The Fixer wrote:

depends what they were taking. back in 98 mcgwire was buying andro at GNC

athletes are always going to look for an edge. it's human nature...especially when you get to these pro levels. all part of the game as far as I'm concerned

again ... it's not about the edge or cheating ... it's about not coming clean when they were caught ... and under oath ... it's about the lack of class and integrity ...

i give marion jones respect ... she gave up her medals and she did time ... way more respect for her than any of these baseball losers ...

The Fixer · July 2011

polaris_x wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

depends what they were taking. back in 98 mcgwire was buying andro at GNC

athletes are always going to look for an edge. it's human nature...especially when you get to these pro levels. all part of the game as far as I'm concerned

again ... it's not about the edge or cheating ... it's about not coming clean when they were caught ... and under oath ... it's about the lack of class and integrity ...

i give marion jones respect ... she gave up her medals and she did time ... way more respect for her than any of these baseball losers ...

didn't marion jones trainer husband stand trial against her? I remember something crazy during that story. I could be wrong but I don't think she voluntarily admitted guilt.

the MLB guys were afraid of retribution from their own union IMO.

the roids era is over. people need to let it go. there are a lot of people that were in the wrong during that time period

Cliffy6745 · July 2011

polaris_x wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

depends what they were taking. back in 98 mcgwire was buying andro at GNC

athletes are always going to look for an edge. it's human nature...especially when you get to these pro levels. all part of the game as far as I'm concerned

again ... it's not about the edge or cheating ... it's about not coming clean when they were caught ... and under oath ... it's about the lack of class and integrity ...

i give marion jones respect ... she gave up her medals and she did time ... way more respect for her than any of these baseball losers ...

Didn't Marion Jones admit it after she sat in jail. I don't think she had much of a choice to give medeals back.

polaris_x · July 2011

you guys are probably right ... i was trying to come up with an example off the top of my head ... either way - you guys get my point ...

i'll never forget that moment when mcgwire was in front of that jury and he said nothing ... sad ...

The Fixer · July 2011

polaris_x wrote:

you guys are probably right ... i was trying to come up with an example off the top of my head ... either way - you guys get my point ...

i'll never forget that moment when mcgwire was in front of that jury and he said nothing ... sad ...

'I'm not here to talk about the past'

I really feel like none of those guys wanted to be remembered as the whistleblower that exposed the entire sport. Except for canseco, but that's because he was blackballed.

pjl44 · July 2011

polaris_x wrote:

you guys are probably right ... i was trying to come up with an example off the top of my head ... either way - you guys get my point ...

i'll never forget that moment when mcgwire was in front of that jury and he said nothing ... sad ...

The fact that they were even called before the Senate is an embarrassment. Those grandstanding twats had bigger issues to contend with. Baseball fans don't need to be treated like children.

The Fixer · July 2011

keppinger to SF. nice pickup for them. he is now the best hitter on that team

Jearlpam0925 · July 2011

The Fixer wrote:

keppinger to SF. nice pickup for them. he is now the best hitter on that team

HUGE swing in the NL West.

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