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  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,274
    The Fixer wrote:
    I wish thome was getting half of the publicity that jeter got 2 weeks ago
    the guys a good dude but the DH thing cheapens it a bit.
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  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,362
    imalive wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    I wish thome was getting half of the publicity that jeter got 2 weeks ago
    the guys a good dude but the DH thing cheapens it a bit.

    Agreed.
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  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    imalive wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    I wish thome was getting half of the publicity that jeter got 2 weeks ago
    the guys a good dude but the DH thing cheapens it a bit.

    Agreed.

    Eh. He's a first baseman. Anyone can stand there and catch the ball. Well, almost anyone :roll:
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    imalive wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    I wish thome was getting half of the publicity that jeter got 2 weeks ago
    the guys a good dude but the DH thing cheapens it a bit.

    Agreed.

    bingo. 3 factors are playing into the lack of publicity here:
    1. smaller market team not having a good year.
    2. he's a 40 year old dh who doesn't play defense.
    3. most of his homers came during the steriod era which forever has tainted that generation's power hitters (steroid users and non steroid users alike). thank's a lot, bud selig. :roll:
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  • Gary Carter
    Gary Carter Posts: 14,077
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    yeah, that's my point. seems like this accomplishment is flying under the radar (especially after the jeter slurping that went on throughout june).

    I hope you're right and this story gains the traction that it deserves

    I agree man. Arod even got a lot of press for his 600th. Not nearly jeter level either but it was covered and he was caught.
    thats cause everyone in this town hates a-roid and he has no one to blame but himself
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    Jeags you are way too concerned with selig and throwing any type of blame at him. The steroid era was everyones fault, you can't blame him alone. Everyone involved in the game at all had some fault in it. The steroid era was really the best thing to happen to baseball at the time.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Jeags you are way too concerned with selig and throwing any type of blame at him. The steroid era was everyones fault, you can't blame him alone. Everyone involved in the game at all had some fault in it. The steroid era was really the best thing to happen to baseball at the time.

    i acknowledge he's an easy target and there are plenty to blame. to me, he's the epitome of weakness, though, and had to have congress intervene before installing a ped testing policy.

    your last sentence, while somewhat true and spoken like someone whose team clearly benefited from ped's back then, is a sad commentary on the game. anyway you look at it, it's huge black eye that the best players of that era, who hold some of the game's most prestigous records, won't make to the hall of fame (or will with an asterisk next to their names).

    either way, it's a shame that cloud is still hovering over the game. thome's a good guy and, dh or not, deserves much more attention than he's gotten thus far.
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    I agree it was handled horribly all around but every team benefited from it greatly. Maybe the Yankees are in the spotlight with it because they paid the best players and they had a bunch of them at the end.

    The offensive explosion brought baseball back after the strike and I guess i just don't care or see the big deal. I don't see it as a black eye as much as most. I guess it's because of records and baseballs history but whatever, every era had cheating. Sure i prefer players that were clean but i just don't see it as the injustice that most do.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    And yeah, I think thome should get more attention but the guy is a part time player at this point.

    Edit: and jeags, you're kidding yourself if you think your favorite sport doesnt have a major drug problem.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,528
    I agree with all the points posted about Thome and think once he gets to 598/599 the pub will pick up. If nothing else, at least he'll be a first ballot HOFer.

    On the steroids issue, everyone can share the blame. MLB, management, players, sportswriters, fans...everyone. If you genuinely didn't know it was going on, you weren't following the game and I have no interest in your opinion. These sanctimonious pundits and columnists that get on their soap box about it can shove it up their ass. Steve Wilstein of the AP was the guy who wrote about seeing the andro (not banned, by the way) in McGwire's locker and was crucified for it. If no one cared enough to deal with it when it was happening, we all have to deal with the fallout like adults now.
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    I agree it was handled horribly all around but every team benefited from it greatly. Maybe the Yankees are in the spotlight with it because they paid the best players and they had a bunch of them at the end.

    The offensive explosion brought baseball back after the strike and I guess i just don't care or see the big deal. I don't see it as a black eye as much as most. I guess it's because of records and baseballs history but whatever, every era had cheating. Sure i prefer players that were clean but i just don't see it as the injustice that most do.

    I agree. The players are mostly to blame for this. They are the ones that resisted testing for so long. The MLBPA is arguably the strongest union in the country...Selig would actually be low on the list of scapegoats as far as steroid use is concerned.

    Anyway, none of this should take away from thome's run at 600
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    pjl44 wrote:
    I agree with all the points posted about Thome and think once he gets to 598/599 the pub will pick up. If nothing else, at least he'll be a first ballot HOFer.

    On the steroids issue, everyone can share the blame. MLB, management, players, sportswriters, fans...everyone. If you genuinely didn't know it was going on, you weren't following the game and I have no interest in your opinion. These sanctimonious pundits and columnists that get on their soap box about it can shove it up their ass. Steve Wilstein of the AP was the guy who wrote about seeing the andro (not banned, by the way) in McGwire's locker and was crucified for it. If no one cared enough to deal with it when it was happening, we all have to deal with the fallout like adults now.

    is andro banned now?
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  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    The Juggler wrote:
    pjl44 wrote:
    I agree with all the points posted about Thome and think once he gets to 598/599 the pub will pick up. If nothing else, at least he'll be a first ballot HOFer.

    On the steroids issue, everyone can share the blame. MLB, management, players, sportswriters, fans...everyone. If you genuinely didn't know it was going on, you weren't following the game and I have no interest in your opinion. These sanctimonious pundits and columnists that get on their soap box about it can shove it up their ass. Steve Wilstein of the AP was the guy who wrote about seeing the andro (not banned, by the way) in McGwire's locker and was crucified for it. If no one cared enough to deal with it when it was happening, we all have to deal with the fallout like adults now.

    is andro banned now?

    Yes.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    Agreed with everything from pj and fixer. All good stuff. The writers who ignored it then won't vote for anyone who took them are beyond hypocritical.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,528
    The Fixer wrote:

    Anyway, none of this should take away from thome's run at 600

    This. And I don't think it will since he was never linked to PEDs.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,528
    The Juggler wrote:
    pjl44 wrote:
    I agree with all the points posted about Thome and think once he gets to 598/599 the pub will pick up. If nothing else, at least he'll be a first ballot HOFer.

    On the steroids issue, everyone can share the blame. MLB, management, players, sportswriters, fans...everyone. If you genuinely didn't know it was going on, you weren't following the game and I have no interest in your opinion. These sanctimonious pundits and columnists that get on their soap box about it can shove it up their ass. Steve Wilstein of the AP was the guy who wrote about seeing the andro (not banned, by the way) in McGwire's locker and was crucified for it. If no one cared enough to deal with it when it was happening, we all have to deal with the fallout like adults now.

    is andro banned now?

    Yeah, as of 2004.
  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,274
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Agreed with everything from pj and fixer. All good stuff. The writers who ignored it then won't vote for anyone who took them are beyond hypocritical.
    hypocritical, sanctimonious assholes! that has been my big beef all along.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    thome is not a first ballot HOF ... nothing against the guy but i don't see it ...

    as for the roids - the biggest beef i have is that when the shit hit the fan most of these hosers took the cowardly approach and lied or kept quiet ... if they are man enough to "cheat" they should be man enough to admit it ... but like the guys they are - they haven't ... integrity - there is none ...
  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,274
    polaris_x wrote:

    as for the roids - the biggest beef i have is that when the shit hit the fan most of these hosers took the cowardly approach and lied or kept quiet ... if they are man enough to "cheat" they should be man enough to admit it ... but like the guys they are - they haven't ... integrity - there is none ...
    they always say "admit it. you'll be forgiven" but I'm not so sure. especially with bonds. but, since you're a cycling geek, I do think Lance would be forgiven because of all the good he's done. but even he won't come clean.

    back to those asshole writers...guys like tom verducci are the worst...they write articles like "Barry Bonds Smashing", they never mention steroids and then, after the fact, they grow a conscience :x . same with the toga clad mcgwire and sosa as SI's Sportsmen or the Year in 1998.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    imalive wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:

    as for the roids - the biggest beef i have is that when the shit hit the fan most of these hosers took the cowardly approach and lied or kept quiet ... if they are man enough to "cheat" they should be man enough to admit it ... but like the guys they are - they haven't ... integrity - there is none ...
    they always say "admit it. you'll be forgiven" but I'm not so sure. especially with bonds. but, since you're a cycling geek, I do think Lance would be forgiven because of all the good he's done. but even he won't come clean.

    back to those asshole writers...guys like tom verducci are the worst...they write articles like "Barry Bonds Smashing", they never mention steroids and then, after the fact, they grow a conscience :x . same with the toga clad mcgwire and sosa as SI's Sportsmen or the Year in 1998.

    i wish we can just erase that whole era from our collective minds.
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