**The Official Tour The Southern United States Thread**

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

LukinFan wrote:

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

FWIW,
the birdie says you should still invest in a good pair of flipflops.
Both of the P bands.

I truly hope your friend is right, but why would they hold out a name like PJ, wouldn't that hurt ticket sales?

i dunno.

LukinFan wrote:

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

FWIW,
the birdie says you should still invest in a good pair of flipflops.
Both of the P bands.

I truly hope your friend is right, but why would they hold out a name like PJ, wouldn't that hurt ticket sales?

They're waiting till PJ sells out their own festival.
Hasn't deluna only announced part of the line-up? I'm going to both them and voodoo..should be fun, even if PJ doesn't do either of them..but still got my fingers

EZ1221C wrote:

I have a hard time believing they would have trouble selling out major markets like Atlanta, Raleigh/Charlotte, Houston, Dallas, WPB/Tampa, so why don't they play here?

I ask myself that almost daily and can never come up with a rational possibility.

Citizen Zack wrote:

EZ1221C wrote:

I have a hard time believing they would have trouble selling out major markets like Atlanta, Raleigh/Charlotte, Houston, Dallas, WPB/Tampa, so why don't they play here?

I ask myself that almost daily and can never come up with a rational possibility.

I think the perennial lack of tour dates in the south has more to do with the distance between markets than with the demand for the band.

It is far more economical for PJ to continue to bounce back & forth between DC, Jersey, Philly, New York, and Boston than it is for them to drive multiple buses & planes up and down the south east coast from NC, to GA to FL, to LA in order to grab a handful of shows that may or may not sell out.

Of course demand has *something* to do with it, but they'd be more likely to play these places more often if they didn't have to trek across their arms and assholes to get to them.

:(

do it

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Citizen Zack wrote:

EZ1221C wrote:

I have a hard time believing they would have trouble selling out major markets like Atlanta, Raleigh/Charlotte, Houston, Dallas, WPB/Tampa, so why don't they play here?

I ask myself that almost daily and can never come up with a rational possibility.

I think the perennial lack of tour dates in the south has more to do with the distance between markets than with the demand for the band.

It is far more economical for PJ to continue to bounce back & forth between DC, Jersey, Philly, New York, and Boston than it is for them to drive multiple buses & planes up and down the south east coast from NC, to GA to FL, to LA in order to grab a handful of shows that may or may not sell out.

Of course demand has *something* to do with it, but they'd be more likely to play these places more often if they didn't have to trek across their arms and assholes to get to them.

:(

True, the distances between some southern cities is greater (although Houston to Dallas is 3 1/2 hours and you hit a total population of 12 million between the two). But even with the bigger gaps between markets, it eventually starts to feel like a slap in the face to a very loyal and financially invested fan base. We've paid 10 club dues, bought albums, merch, etc. just like everyone else. And they've played down here before to sell out crowds. So if not wanting to sit on the bus for an extra couple of hours is the reason, I'd be pretty off-put by that. We (southern fans) are just as much a part of making the band what they are (rich and successful) as the fans in the northeast.

Also, they've flown to and traveled across Europe 4 times since the 2003 tour. South America, Aussie/NZ, and now twice across Canada - all since touring the southern US. Not exactly short trips. Actually they are much, much, much longer trips than hitting a handful of major southern American cities. So the question still remains - why are we working on 9 years waiting down here?

shep wrote:

Citizen Zack wrote:

True, the distances between some southern cities is greater (although Houston to Dallas is 3 1/2 hours and you hit a total population of 12 million between the two). But even with the bigger gaps between markets, it eventually starts to feel like a slap in the face to a very loyal and financially invested fan base. We've paid 10 club dues, bought albums, merch, etc. just like everyone else. And they've played down here before to sell out crowds. So if not wanting to sit on the bus for an extra couple of hours is the reason, I'd be pretty off-put by that. We (southern fans) are just as much a part of making the band what they are (rich and successful) as the fans in the northeast.

Also, they've flown to and traveled across Europe 4 times since the 2003 tour. South America, Aussie/NZ, and now twice across Canada - all since touring the southern US. Not exactly short trips. Actually they are much, much, much longer trips than hitting a handful of major southern American cities. So the question still remains - why are we working on 9 years waiting down here?

Well put.

One thing I would like to add, particularly about this Canadian tour (especially the western swing) is that in this situation the distance between cities is significantly larger than say Dallas to Houston or Houston to New Orleans, etc etc, and the Canadian cities are about 1/5th the population.... which only stands to disprove the above arguement...

You can get to more fans and cover significantly less distance in the southern US than you can across Western Canada, yet they have now had 2 tours to our 0 in the last 8 years.

Makes no sense.

Indeed, makes no sense at all. I just cannot wrap my head around it - all the traveling they've done, all over the world since they last played the south. It can't be money then. So what's the next plausible excuse? I don't buy politics - the Bush from Texas thing is ridiculous. I don't think for one second the band is so juvenille as to avoid the south based on that. Distance? Clearly not the reason (re: Canada 2005, 2011). Can't sell out shows? Please - we've proven that to be untrue time and again. Some of the biggest markets in this country are in the south. Shows sell out. Bands with not near the prestige of PJ sell out down here. I'd love to hear a realistic, honest discussion about this on AET. Hopefully the question will get asked and will be given serious treatment. This is beyond absurd at this point.

Citizen Zack wrote:

Indeed, makes no sense at all. I just cannot wrap my head around it - all the traveling they've done, all over the world since they last played the south. It can't be money then. So what's the next plausible excuse? I don't buy politics - the Bush from Texas thing is ridiculous. I don't think for one second the band is so juvenille as to avoid the south based on that. Distance? Clearly not the reason (re: Canada 2005, 2011). Can't sell out shows? Please - we've proven that to be untrue time and again. Some of the biggest markets in this country are in the south. Shows sell out. Bands with not near the prestige of PJ sell out down here. I'd love to hear a realistic, honest discussion about this on AET. Hopefully the question will get asked and will be given serious treatment. This is beyond absurd at this point.

Unfortunately you're never going to have an honest and serious discussion about this on AET. If it gets brought up to Kelly Curtis or Tim Bierman they are just going to brush off the question and say something like "there were scheduling conflicts for when we were planning the tour" or something along those lines to cut the conversation short. End of story. Next caller. This is what they've done in the past and what they'll do again in the future because they don't really want to answer the question.

And you're never going to have an honest, serious discussion on these forums because you're just going to get someone from the northeast shitting all over the people from the south (like periodically happens in this thread) because they operate under the assumption that the south is a wasteland of gun-toting hicks and retards, herding cattle and spilling oil whenever they get the chance.

Clearly at this point in seems that PJ (and for that matter now Soundgarden as well) is only interested in the big paydays in the south... i.e. our major music festivals. It's just absurd.

shep wrote:

Citizen Zack wrote:

Indeed, makes no sense at all. I just cannot wrap my head around it - all the traveling they've done, all over the world since they last played the south. It can't be money then. So what's the next plausible excuse? I don't buy politics - the Bush from Texas thing is ridiculous. I don't think for one second the band is so juvenille as to avoid the south based on that. Distance? Clearly not the reason (re: Canada 2005, 2011). Can't sell out shows? Please - we've proven that to be untrue time and again. Some of the biggest markets in this country are in the south. Shows sell out. Bands with not near the prestige of PJ sell out down here. I'd love to hear a realistic, honest discussion about this on AET. Hopefully the question will get asked and will be given serious treatment. This is beyond absurd at this point.

Unfortunately you're never going to have an honest and serious discussion about this on AET. If it gets brought up to Kelly Curtis or Tim Bierman they are just going to brush off the question and say something like "there were scheduling conflicts for when we were planning the tour" or something along those lines to cut the conversation short. End of story. Next caller. This is what they've done in the past and what they'll do again in the future because they don't really want to answer the question.

And you're never going to have an honest, serious discussion on these forums because you're just going to get someone from the northeast shitting all over the people from the south (like periodically happens in this thread) because they operate under the assumption that the south is a wasteland of gun-toting hicks and retards, herding cattle and spilling oil whenever they get the chance.

Clearly at this point in seems that PJ (and for that matter now Soundgarden as well) is only interested in the big paydays in the south... i.e. our major music festivals. It's just absurd.

Well, we are a bunch of gun-slinging neocons, but we do love our PJ. So I hope they change their minds. And yes, there are plenty of folks who either stereotype southerners or boldly preach "if you really want to see the band, quit complaining and travel." I have. A lot. It's expensive. And the people who say that usually live in a place that PJ visits every tour.

Anyway, it's unfortunate that Tim or anyone else from the band won't address the south issue. We have a more-than-legit question about their lack of presence down here and it's a shame that as fans we can't get a reasonable response.

Flagg wrote:

I started to believe that theory until they scheduled 2 shows in LA, one in TX and then back to LA for 2 more.

And then played Jazz Fest in 2010 and skipped up from NO to KC.

well said