STP, AIC, SG..

pj8 wrote:

washedinblack91 wrote:

pj8 wrote:

You guys are incredibly wrong. I've seen STP twice this year and they haven't sounded this good since the No. 4 tour. They put on a great show and Scott has been sober and he's getting better and better as the year goes on. I follow STP very close, and I hate it when people assume that they do it just for the money and that Scott's on drugs and all that bull.

i've heard SO many people talking about how he was drunk on stage and how he came an hour late to some show, are those stories not true? :? just trying to get things straight

Yes, that's true, BUT that's my point. Everyone always thinks that because of that stp is just going downhill again, etc. I understand that if you don't follow them very closely that you would think that, and i'm not saying that I know everything about them, i'm just saing that for now he really is doing well and that I wouldn't be surprised if they stay around a few more years. Since that incident he has improved a lot which you can tell physically. He's gained some weight, and he's very energetic on stage, more like how he used to be. I know it's only been a year since then, but I try to think of them now as the new STP, and so far whenever people think the moght start going downhill again, they get better. But that was not the case last year. To be honest, I don't think Scott was extremly healthy last year, because I honestly didn't see much improvement in his performance, his physical ability, etc. But this year I have seen HUGE improvements. If you read reviews both fans and professional writer's agree that they are putting on great shows and Scott is doing very well. And if STP come to your town, you should go, you won't regret it. I'm not saying your wrong or anything because your true, i'm saying that just becdause that happened, dosen't mean they can't improve.

i'm glad he's doing well. i'm always rooting for scott and i always wanted to go to a concert, i just never could because they never played a place that was easily accessible to me by public transportation. and i do believe if someone has the will to change they can and i really hope scott stays healthy

i never really liked the lyrics of STP but the musicianship of the band is amazing

Brisk. wrote:

The world doesn't revolve around Pearl Jam :roll:

Totes! STP were around long before PJ, and only had a 4 or 5 year hiatus. A lot of the reason why SG got back together was people like us hassling them and urging them to do so, so if they feel the love, why wouldn't they.

90's bands riding pj retro, grunge coat tails or something? Sorry, and I mean that, but this is perhaps the most ridiculous post I've ever seen. It's like an article from TMZ, Enquirer, et. al.

So don't read or reply to the post you might say - I have to - it's just too weird of a topic to not address.

I don't think so, and I think the notion is kinda ridiculous. They're all great bands that can stand on their own past, present and future.


EDIT: far as STP is concerned.....Weiland has screwed the pooch a few times...People are lookin for it so its kinduva big deal every time he flakes out for a show. I think most of their shows are pretty good and when they're on they're as good as anybody.

I wouldn't pay money to see STP again. I saw them in '96, a tour that was eventually cut short when Scott had to go to rehab, and they were terrible. And it wasn't just Scott, the band just sounded bad and muffed a lot of songs. I actually enjoyed the opening act (Local H) more than I did STP. I still enjoy their music, in fact they are one of my favorite bands from the time, I just wouldn't go see them live again.

To answer the question though, I don't know how much it has to do with Pearl Jam. It doesn't take seeing another band making money to realize that you too could be making money. There have been so many bands reunite in the past and bank on it long before these 90's bands started doing it. The Who got it right when they did their big "Farewell Tour" in '82, then went right back out on the road 5-6 years later. All these 90's bands mainly just broke up or dissolved, didn't get the big cash-in by telling people it was the last time they would tour.

washedinblack91 wrote:

see. mixed reviews. some say they're awful, some say they're great, whatever i'll see for myself August 6

Well my experience came from the '96 tour that was cut short due to Scott being too messed up to continue and him checking into rehab. And maybe his state had an effect on the rest of the band as well, I'm sure there was probably a lot of backstage drama during all of that. They may be much better now, in fact I would wager that they couldn't get much worse than they were in '96. So I wouldn't discourage you from seeing them.

Warning: One of my epic essay long posts...

I think there were obviously some money motivations in STP, AIC, and Soundgarden reuniting, but it's not even close to the only reason they're together. AIC probably the most out of all of them are motivated by money though since their singer is dead, while STP and Soundgarden have the same lineups. I don't think Pearl Jam had a direct influence on any of them reuniting, Pearl Jam moreso have been the stalwarts/stable band of the Grunge/Alternative era and stuck together without doing dumb supergroups and while still consistently putting out great records which has led to them having the largest/most loyal fan base out of the Grunge era bands and the most credibility. The band have never quit on the fans, so the fans haven't quit on them.

In STP's case they really did miss each other, in 2007 Scott kept talking about in interviews how he wanted to reunite STP but was too busy with Velvet Revolver, he talked about how much he loved the other guys and missed them. They did get a big money offer that was the catalyst for the reunion (Coachella offered them 1 million dollars, they turned it down but it led to them deciding to do shows) but if the reunion was solely about the money, there wouldn't be a new album, they would have broken up again like Pavement at the end of the 2008 tour. They also told Atlantic Records that if they couldn't self produce their latest album, they wouldn't do it.

Scott was drinking and abusing some pills from 2008 to 2010 and it came to a head last September at a show in Texas, after that he went to rehab (I think he had at home detox with Bob Forrest) and got sober. Since then STP have been on fire live and the band chemistry/friendship has been great. They've all talked about in interviews how Scott is doing better and have talked about hanging out off stage, Robert even said he feels these are the best shows the band are playing in their career, and Robert's not one to bullshit in interviews. I think 2008 was hit and miss, they had some GREAT shows (the Hollywood Bowl) and some bad ones (Scott's PNC meltdown), 2009 had some great shows, spring/summer 2010 seemed pretty mixed, but fall 2010-present has been great. Being an STP fan is a roallercoaster, but that's all part of the fun. Also FYI there was no lip syncing, Scott should seriously sue whoever spread that horse shit rumor since I see it spread so often. Scott fell down with the mic and kept singing. People front row who I spoke to told me this, Scott and Robert said too. Anybody who has seen Scott live knows he doesn't lip sync, especially since his voice sounds shot to shit sometimes.

Soundgarden originally reunited out of pressure due to the New Years fan club announcement being misinterpreted, money got them to do Lollapalooza too. Spending all that time together though got them to reconnect though make a new record. Like STP, I don't think at this point they're mainly motivated by money at this point either.

I think AIC want to play together and the surviving members missed each other, but if Layne had kept it together enough for AIC to do more massive tours from 1994 to the end of the decade (they did maybe 5-6 shows during this period) and make a shit load of money, I don't think you'd see them reunite after Layne's death if they were all financially set for life.