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lukins.lawyerlukins.lawyer Posts: 128
edited May 2011 in The Porch
Does anyone else agree that the fact that all these bands (especially STP) are all reuniting and touring because the success PJ has had over the last 20 years has opened the door for them?

I find these once-dead grunge era bands have all risen and are all riding the coattails of the living legends that have dedicated themselves to music and the fans (and the environment!).

Without PJ, do you think the current demand for their music would exist at the current level?

Counter argument is that there would be MORE of a demand, but because I'm completely biased, I think that without PJ, many fans may have lost faith and interest, and the grunge era would have been just a historical era no different from any other.
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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    Excellent point!
  • Brisk.Brisk. Posts: 11,567
    The world doesn't revolve around Pearl Jam :roll:
  • capthowdy1027capthowdy1027 Posts: 3,270
    So what you're saying is that all of these bands are for sure going to be at PJ20?
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  • washedinblack91washedinblack91 Posts: 3,078
    Brisk. wrote:
    The world doesn't revolve around Pearl Jam :roll:
    it doesn't?!

    I'VE BEEN WASING ALL THIS TIME FOR NOTHING!!!
    PJ: 9/29/04, 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/30/08, 10/30/09, 10/31/09, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/18/13, 8/7/16
    eV: 8/4/08, 8/5/08, 6/21/11
    SG: 10/4/08<-- MET STONE!!!
  • tremorstremors Posts: 8,051
    You may have a point
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  • NamiNami Newfoundland Posts: 5,998
    Thats a tough call.... I still listen to these guys- not so much AIC but I am coming around. One of my good buds is a huge fan.. he lives AIC and I- PJ. Makes the workday go by so much faster.

    Im prob still living in the 90s cause I still think all 3 of these bands are still huge and they're STILL my go to music behind PJ of course.
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  • PureandEasyPureandEasy Posts: 5,818
    Nah it's all about the Benjamins. :D

    And I don't think the fact that they can come back with success has anything to do with PJ.
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  • Indifference71Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,899
    It could have something to do with all the shitty music that is out there today. There aren't many quality rock bands out there anymore.
  • washedinblack91washedinblack91 Posts: 3,078
    i think it has to do with the moneys. they might, perhaps, possibly figure pj is still around and maybe they can bank off people's nostalgia for 90s music, but i bet it's about trying to relive the glory days of their height in the 90s and trying to make money off it again.
    PJ: 9/29/04, 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/30/08, 10/30/09, 10/31/09, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/18/13, 8/7/16
    eV: 8/4/08, 8/5/08, 6/21/11
    SG: 10/4/08<-- MET STONE!!!
  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,077
    i disagree

    i feel it's more so realizing that the petty bullshit is nothing major to not play together. in AIC case it was more so carrying on as a band without their friend and how to do it in a respectful manner without forgetting the legacy of layne.
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  • washedinblack91washedinblack91 Posts: 3,078
    metsfan wrote:
    i disagree

    i feel it's more so realizing that the petty bullshit is nothing major to not play together. in AIC case it was more so carrying on as a band without their friend and how to do it in a respectful manner without forgetting the legacy of layne.
    i was actually thinking of STP when i said that. he woulda totally done it for more drug money. but maybe i'm wrong ;)
    PJ: 9/29/04, 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/30/08, 10/30/09, 10/31/09, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/18/13, 8/7/16
    eV: 8/4/08, 8/5/08, 6/21/11
    SG: 10/4/08<-- MET STONE!!!
  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,077
    washedinblack91 wrote:
    i was actually thinking of STP when i said that. he woulda totally done it for more drug money. but maybe i'm wrong ;)
    i feel STP totally did it for the money. they played jones beach last year i think and it failed horribly.
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  • washedinblack91washedinblack91 Posts: 3,078
    metsfan wrote:
    washedinblack91 wrote:
    i was actually thinking of STP when i said that. he woulda totally done it for more drug money. but maybe i'm wrong ;)
    i feel STP totally did it for the money. they played jones beach last year i think and it failed horribly.
    yeah i desperately wanted to see them and was angry when they played in nyc the same night as the newark show (though now i'm ok with it since i won the lottery.. pic>>>>>) but then i heard lots of reviews from different shows and it was hit or miss at best with scott being drugged out and late to the show at some shows so i wasn't too upset.
    PJ: 9/29/04, 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/30/08, 10/30/09, 10/31/09, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/18/13, 8/7/16
    eV: 8/4/08, 8/5/08, 6/21/11
    SG: 10/4/08<-- MET STONE!!!
  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,077
    washedinblack91 wrote:
    yeah i desperately wanted to see them and was angry when they played in nyc the same night as the newark show (though now i'm ok with it since i won the lottery.. pic>>>>>) but then i heard lots of reviews from different shows and it was hit or miss at best with scott being drugged out and late to the show at some shows so i wasn't too upset.
    always take pj over stp lol
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    Sammi: Wanna just break up?

  • washedinblack91washedinblack91 Posts: 3,078
    metsfan wrote:
    washedinblack91 wrote:
    yeah i desperately wanted to see them and was angry when they played in nyc the same night as the newark show (though now i'm ok with it since i won the lottery.. pic>>>>>) but then i heard lots of reviews from different shows and it was hit or miss at best with scott being drugged out and late to the show at some shows so i wasn't too upset.
    always take pj over stp lol
    definitely :D
    PJ: 9/29/04, 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/30/08, 10/30/09, 10/31/09, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/18/13, 8/7/16
    eV: 8/4/08, 8/5/08, 6/21/11
    SG: 10/4/08<-- MET STONE!!!
  • pj8pj8 Posts: 408
    You guys are incredibly wrong. I've seen STP twice this year and they haven't sounded this good since the No. 4 tour. They put on a great show and Scott has been sober and he's getting better and better as the year goes on. I follow STP very close, and I hate it when people assume that they do it just for the money and that Scott's on drugs and all that bull.
  • washedinblack91washedinblack91 Posts: 3,078
    pj8 wrote:
    You guys are incredibly wrong. I've seen STP twice this year and they haven't sounded this good since the No. 4 tour. They put on a great show and Scott has been sober and he's getting better and better as the year goes on. I follow STP very close, and I hate it when people assume that they do it just for the money and that Scott's on drugs and all that bull.
    i've heard SO many people talking about how he was drunk on stage and how he came an hour late to some show, are those stories not true? :? just trying to get things straight
    PJ: 9/29/04, 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/30/08, 10/30/09, 10/31/09, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/18/13, 8/7/16
    eV: 8/4/08, 8/5/08, 6/21/11
    SG: 10/4/08<-- MET STONE!!!
  • LoulouLoulou Adelaide Posts: 6,247
    Hmmmm, I don't know. I have heard about STP being kinda lame live and Scott does come across a bit flakey, which is disappointing because Purple is one of my fav albums, I love their music. So maybe they are doing it primarily for the money, not sure?? but SG and AIC are very talented bands who obviously love the music.
    I saw AIC with their new singer at one of the Soundwave festivals and I think one of the reasons they are still making music and touring is the fact they chose a great new singer. Is he Layne, nooooooooo but he fits into their classic songs well and doesn't try to be Layne.
    As for SG, they have always been an amazing band, I don't think they would have ever NEEDED PJ to survive. They have survived on their own merits.
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  • LoulouLoulou Adelaide Posts: 6,247
    Well that's good to hear for a change. I love their music and it's good to hear a positive review. :D
    pj8 wrote:
    You guys are incredibly wrong. I've seen STP twice this year and they haven't sounded this good since the No. 4 tour. They put on a great show and Scott has been sober and he's getting better and better as the year goes on. I follow STP very close, and I hate it when people assume that they do it just for the money and that Scott's on drugs and all that bull.
    “ "Thank you Palestrina. It’s a wonderful evening, it’s great to be here and I wanna dedicate you a super sexy song." " (last words of Mark Sandman of Morphine)


    Adelaide 1998
    Adelaide 2003
    Adelaide 2006 night 1
    Adelaide 2006 night 2
    Adelaide 2009
    Melbourne 2009
    Christchurch NZ 2009
    Eddie Vedder, Adelaide 2011
    PJ20 USA 2011 night 1
    PJ20 USA 2011 night 2
    Adelaide BIG DAY OUT 2014
  • pj8pj8 Posts: 408
    washedinblack91 wrote:
    pj8 wrote:
    You guys are incredibly wrong. I've seen STP twice this year and they haven't sounded this good since the No. 4 tour. They put on a great show and Scott has been sober and he's getting better and better as the year goes on. I follow STP very close, and I hate it when people assume that they do it just for the money and that Scott's on drugs and all that bull.
    i've heard SO many people talking about how he was drunk on stage and how he came an hour late to some show, are those stories not true? :? just trying to get things straight

    Yes, that's true, BUT that's my point. Everyone always thinks that because of that stp is just going downhill again, etc. I understand that if you don't follow them very closely that you would think that, and i'm not saying that I know everything about them, i'm just saing that for now he really is doing well and that I wouldn't be surprised if they stay around a few more years. Since that incident he has improved a lot which you can tell physically. He's gained some weight, and he's very energetic on stage, more like how he used to be. I know it's only been a year since then, but I try to think of them now as the new STP, and so far whenever people think the moght start going downhill again, they get better. But that was not the case last year. To be honest, I don't think Scott was extremly healthy last year, because I honestly didn't see much improvement in his performance, his physical ability, etc. But this year I have seen HUGE improvements. If you read reviews both fans and professional writer's agree that they are putting on great shows and Scott is doing very well. And if STP come to your town, you should go, you won't regret it. I'm not saying your wrong or anything because your true, i'm saying that just becdause that happened, dosen't mean they can't improve.
  • pj8pj8 Posts: 408
    Loulou wrote:
    Hmmmm, I don't know. I have heard about STP being kinda lame live and Scott does come across a bit flakey, which is disappointing because Purple is one of my fav albums, I love their music. So maybe they are doing it primarily for the money, not sure?? but SG and AIC are very talented bands who obviously love the music.
    I saw AIC with their new singer at one of the Soundwave festivals and I think one of the reasons they are still making music and touring is the fact they chose a great new singer. Is he Layne, nooooooooo but he fits into their classic songs well and doesn't try to be Layne.
    As for SG, they have always been an amazing band, I don't think they would have ever NEEDED PJ to survive. They have survived on their own merits.

    Trust me, if you see them live you would change your mind. They love their music too and like I said, last year was not a good representation of STP, they are really good to their fans and you can tell they enjoy being onstage playing their music in front of their fans. When I saw them last weekend in Birmingham, Alabama (which was hit with HORRIBLE storms) they were the only band at the festival to acknowledge it and Scott even said a prayer for the families who were affected. So they are doing it for the money, they are GREAT actors.
  • washedinblack91washedinblack91 Posts: 3,078
    pj8 wrote:
    washedinblack91 wrote:
    pj8 wrote:
    You guys are incredibly wrong. I've seen STP twice this year and they haven't sounded this good since the No. 4 tour. They put on a great show and Scott has been sober and he's getting better and better as the year goes on. I follow STP very close, and I hate it when people assume that they do it just for the money and that Scott's on drugs and all that bull.
    i've heard SO many people talking about how he was drunk on stage and how he came an hour late to some show, are those stories not true? :? just trying to get things straight

    Yes, that's true, BUT that's my point. Everyone always thinks that because of that stp is just going downhill again, etc. I understand that if you don't follow them very closely that you would think that, and i'm not saying that I know everything about them, i'm just saing that for now he really is doing well and that I wouldn't be surprised if they stay around a few more years. Since that incident he has improved a lot which you can tell physically. He's gained some weight, and he's very energetic on stage, more like how he used to be. I know it's only been a year since then, but I try to think of them now as the new STP, and so far whenever people think the moght start going downhill again, they get better. But that was not the case last year. To be honest, I don't think Scott was extremly healthy last year, because I honestly didn't see much improvement in his performance, his physical ability, etc. But this year I have seen HUGE improvements. If you read reviews both fans and professional writer's agree that they are putting on great shows and Scott is doing very well. And if STP come to your town, you should go, you won't regret it. I'm not saying your wrong or anything because your true, i'm saying that just becdause that happened, dosen't mean they can't improve.
    i'm glad he's doing well. i'm always rooting for scott and i always wanted to go to a concert, i just never could because they never played a place that was easily accessible to me by public transportation. and i do believe if someone has the will to change they can and i really hope scott stays healthy :)
    PJ: 9/29/04, 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/30/08, 10/30/09, 10/31/09, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/18/13, 8/7/16
    eV: 8/4/08, 8/5/08, 6/21/11
    SG: 10/4/08<-- MET STONE!!!
  • washedinblack91washedinblack91 Posts: 3,078
    STP is actually what got me into performing music, i think they're amazing ;)
    PJ: 9/29/04, 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/30/08, 10/30/09, 10/31/09, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/18/13, 8/7/16
    eV: 8/4/08, 8/5/08, 6/21/11
    SG: 10/4/08<-- MET STONE!!!
  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,077
    i never really liked the lyrics of STP but the musicianship of the band is amazing
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  • LoulouLoulou Adelaide Posts: 6,247
    That's great, like I said I think there music is great. Atlanta, Pretty Penny, Creep and I got You are some of my fav songs, I grew up listening to that band and I was really sad to hear from people that they thought they were no good live. :( They didn't end up playing Adelaide anyway so I couldn't see them.
    “ "Thank you Palestrina. It’s a wonderful evening, it’s great to be here and I wanna dedicate you a super sexy song." " (last words of Mark Sandman of Morphine)


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    Adelaide 2003
    Adelaide 2006 night 1
    Adelaide 2006 night 2
    Adelaide 2009
    Melbourne 2009
    Christchurch NZ 2009
    Eddie Vedder, Adelaide 2011
    PJ20 USA 2011 night 1
    PJ20 USA 2011 night 2
    Adelaide BIG DAY OUT 2014
  • TyTy Posts: 1,007
    Brisk. wrote:
    The world doesn't revolve around Pearl Jam :roll:

    Totes! STP were around long before PJ, and only had a 4 or 5 year hiatus. A lot of the reason why SG got back together was people like us hassling them and urging them to do so, so if they feel the love, why wouldn't they.
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  • BastardsInTheBalconyBastardsInTheBalcony Posts: 107
    AIC handled the replacing of layne in the most respectful way possible as far as i'm concerned. They sound absolutely amazing, I'm very glad jerry cantrell was able to come out on the other side with success again.

    As far as STP goes, I am kinda disappointed with them as of late. I am a huge fan of their albums. Purple was the first CD I ever owned, I've listened to it and core a bzillion times. I have even seen them live a couple of times, both amazing shows, especially the one with the rotating stage where the back looked like the mtv unplugged set and they did an acoustic set in the midde of the elctric one, or when scott came down on the floor and asked the girl right in front of me what song she wanted him to sing, and she picked plush! I swear I could have killed her, how do you not pick a deep cut in that situation. Ahh I digress . . .

    But this particular incident has tainted my opinion of them. Kinda sucks.
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  • brianwilsonbrianwilson Posts: 406
    90's bands riding pj retro, grunge coat tails or something? Sorry, and I mean that, but this is perhaps the most ridiculous post I've ever seen. It's like an article from TMZ, Enquirer, et. al.

    So don't read or reply to the post you might say - I have to - it's just too weird of a topic to not address.
  • hrd2imgnhrd2imgn Southwest Burbs of Chicago Posts: 4,909
    I don't think Pearl Jam has anything to do with it.

    AS time goes on things become sheek again, and now that is is almost 20 years later, it is now classic stuff, from an era that will always appeal to some extent.

    IMO I don't think revivals of the era would be any different with or without Pearl Jam being around still, if anything had they broken up they would be in the group too.
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,432
    I don't think so, and I think the notion is kinda ridiculous. They're all great bands that can stand on their own past, present and future.


    EDIT: far as STP is concerned.....Weiland has screwed the pooch a few times...People are lookin for it so its kinduva big deal every time he flakes out for a show. I think most of their shows are pretty good and when they're on they're as good as anybody.
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