A new amendment to the Constitution ? pipe dream

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

bennett13 wrote:

They shouldn't be able to vote. It's a conflict of interest.

"When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."
- Benjamin Franklin

now i have heard everything....

so now some americans on this board are of the opinion that the 15th amendment and the voting rights act of 1965 should not apply to all citizens.... :shock:

unbelievable...

i would honestly cry for this nation if the stupidity of some of its people didn't make me shake my head and laugh...

so i guess franklin's quote does not apply to lawmakers as well... or does it???

if we are talking about potentially altering the bill of rights, i have some issues with that second amendment...

I'm curious as to how you came to the conclusion that I believe the 15th Amendment should not apply to all Americans. :-? I never once even came close to suggesting that anyone should be denied the right to vote on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

And you should really stop with the "everyone who disagrees with me is stupid" comments. The purpose of this forum is to debate the issues, and such comments reflect very poorly.

now i have heard everything....

so now some americans on this board are of the opinion that the 15th amendment and the voting rights act of 1965 should not apply to all citizens.... :shock:

unbelievable...

i would honestly cry for this nation if the stupidity of some of its people didn't make me shake my head and laugh...

so i guess franklin's quote does not apply to lawmakers as well... or does it???

if we are talking about potentially altering the bill of rights, i have some issues with that second amendment...[/quote]


I'm curious as to how you came to the conclusion that I believe the 15th Amendment should not apply to all Americans. :-? I never once even came close to suggesting that anyone should be denied the right to vote on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

And you should really stop with the "everyone who disagrees with me is stupid" comments. The purpose of this forum is to debate the issues, and such comments reflect very poorly.[/quote]
the 15th amendment guarantees the rights of american citizens to vote. you saying american citizens should not be allowed to vote for any reason contradicts the 15th amendment and the voter right's amendment, SO i just put 2 and 2 together..... you did not specify race or color or previous condition of servitude, but you did advocate taking away the right if someone fails to pay taxes. it is not just here, people on other forms have said citizens should not be allowed to vote for varous reasons, and i do not think you personally are stupid. i just think that that line of thinking should be criticized. any time the discussion of taking away anybody's rights for any reason it should be heavily scrutinized. and i never said that "people who disagree with me are stupid", i just happen to know that i am right :P [/quote]


Fair enough on knowing you are right...hard to argue with that.

However, the 15th Amendment does NOT guarantee the rights of every American citizen to vote. No right is an absolute, and there are indeed American citizens who do not have the right to vote (most incarcerated felons, for example). The 15th Amendment, in pertinent part, reads as follows:
"The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."

I don't see anything in there prohibiting denying the right to vote to those who don't pay taxes.

So now you can hopefully see how odd it is that you would jump to that conclusion.

Godfather. wrote:

Cosmo for ca.gov. I voted for Brown...think it will come around to bite me on the ass ?
Godfather.

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Wow... that's from way out in left field... line the next area code left of left field left.
What was your reasoning for voting for Jerry Brown??? What political opinions do you share with Brown? His openess on immigration??? His increasing your taxes??? What???

Godfather. wrote:

Cosmo for ca.gov. I voted for Brown...think it will come around to bite me on the ass ?


Godfather.

No way, Godfather. You did the right thing. Jerry Brown, no matter what his faults- we all have 'em- is one of the most hard working people in politics. I made eye contact with Jerry in the CA Sate capitol and his look was "How are you? Everything OK?" No bullshit. And what other governor sends his or her constituents video updates? Who in politics works as hard as this man? Who else, as a politician, has voluntarily lowered their pay?

As for voting- I think any registered voter should have at least a basic knowledge of how our government works. If you don't care enough to understand at least the basic process, don't vote. Don't vote just because you think a particular candidate is a "maverick". Don't vote because you think a particular candidate is "hot". And please don't tell us you're an anarchist unless you really understand what that concept means as well.

Oh, and remember, when you vote, you're voting for not just your own interests, but also for those less fortunate and you're voting for the planet as well.

Peace.

"unfortunately i don't think they have an entire class dedicated to american government in high school anymore... :shock:"

That IS shocking, gimmesometruth27! :oops: