Why isn't abortion considered murder?

Byrnzie wrote:

I'd like the OP to respond to this post if and when he gets back from his banning.

Byrnzie wrote:

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I was just telling an old friend about the guy I'm dating & realized it pertains to this subject.

This guy has a 6-year-old daughter from his previous marriage, and he loves her more than anything in the world. When she was three, she started having severe neurological problems & was diagnosed with a rare genetic disease that has caused her to have multiple "brain tumors," which grow, multiply, and bleed. She has spent many, many months in the hospital & had multiple brain surgeries. Due to the tumors & surgeries, she is now wheelchair bound, cross-eyed, & tube fed. She has uncontrollable seizures, which have gotten so bad that the docs recently said they think it's best to operate again - but the surgery will severely affect her speech. He & his ex-wife now have to decide whether to take away the ability to speak from a little girl who has already lost her ability to walk, see (well), and eat, or leave her with increasingly frequent, out-of-control siezures & the knowledge that a severe brain hemorrhage is likely on the horizon.

And here's the thing: She got this condition from him. Until she became symptomatic & they started running tests, he had no idea he had this illness & had never even heard of it. Now he watches the person he loves most in the world suffer every day with the knowledge that it's his "fault". He can't do anything to take it back & make his little girl better. All he can do is ensure that he never passes this on to another innocent child.

We use multiple forms of birth control, and he plans to get a vasectomy some day when he can afford it. (His job doesn't offer health insurance & all his money goes to his daughter.) Of course, even vasectomies aren't 100% effective at preventing pregnancy. So he's told me that, in the unlikely event that I got pregnant, he would want me to have an abortion - so no other child of his will (possibly) have to suffer like his daughter does.

Does that make him a horrible person? A person whose decision is a selfish one, not based on love? Would that make us murderers?

I'd like the OP to respond to this post if and when he gets back from his banning.

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

HeidiJam wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

what can he really say? i think the points made by so many posters have been proven without a doubt. either he will grant that those of us that are pro-choice, for whatever reasons, have valid opinions and reasons for that position, or he can do like so many others and dismiss the situational factors and anecdotes and real life experiences shared here and still say that those who have had abortions are murderers. we do not exist in a vacuum and "pro-life at all costs" is the wrong position because there are no absolutes and there are shades of gray in all situations.

I can acknowledge and understand the situational exceptions. I think either side that holds their position to the extreme is wrong. My point is that the embryo/fetus is a developing human being, so why is destroying it not considered murder.

it is because of these gray areas that you can not strip the freedom to choose from women. your question has been answered to the extent that i am going to answer it. you like freedom right? why would you want your government denying the freedom of choice to women??? isn't that the definition of "big government" that you conservatives go on and on and on about?