Why isn't abortion considered murder?

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  • Electric_Delta
    Electric_Delta Posts: 977
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    Why isn't abortion considered murder? for those of you that are pro-choice I would like you to define your logic...

    So irresponsible people can live a consequence-free lifestyle.

    So narrow minded.. its just not work the time to explain to people who live their lives so perfectly.

    So narrow minded to assume murder is the only solution.

    I guess Planned Parenthood knows best. I mean they should, they've only racked up $20 billion dollars in the business of killing babies since Roe versus Wade.

    No, you're right. People like Kermit Gosnell SHOULD be allowed to do as they wish.

    Sanctity of life? Nah.
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  • Electric_Delta
    Electric_Delta Posts: 977
    zarocat wrote:
    A fetus is not yet a person.

    Justifying the murder of a class of people by categorizing them as "non-persons" has been done before. Check Nazi-Germany.

    http://www.prolifephysicians.org/lifebegins.htm
    Bristow, VA (5/13/10)
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    I guess Planned Parenthood knows best. I mean they should, they've only racked up $20 billion dollars in the business of killing babies since Roe versus Wade.

    Do you have a primary sourse for your statement, please?
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    No, you're right. People like Kermit Gosnell SHOULD be allowed to do as they wish.

    It's because abortion is legal that most women don't have to resort to people like this.
  • Loulou
    Loulou Adelaide Posts: 6,247
    I am not interested in getting into a big slanging match but when I see a topic such as Why isn't it murder, makes me question if you want it to be? or are you just questioning why it's allowed?
    It then makes me wonder what it would be like if it were no longer available.
    It's not right for some and that's fair enough, each to their own but when you take that option away, what will be the ramifications? More children born that are unwanted, or abused???? What kind of mental anguish would it put on someone who was raped to have to see that rapists eyes everyday when they look at that innocent child?? I do think women who keep getting them over and over however are very irresponsible an maybe there should be some type of councelling for women like that but there are cases like rape victims and medical reasons that sometimes require a little compassion when it comes to their choices. It's personal decision and just like some you know they could never go through with aborting a baby, others know they could never go through with having the baby.
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  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    So irresponsible people can live a consequence-free lifestyle.

    So narrow minded.. its just not work the time to explain to people who live their lives so perfectly.

    So narrow minded to assume murder is the only solution.

    I guess Planned Parenthood knows best. I mean they should, they've only racked up $20 billion dollars in the business of killing babies since Roe versus Wade.

    No, you're right. People like Kermit Gosnell SHOULD be allowed to do as they wish.

    Sanctity of life? Nah.

    No, its narrow minded that you would suggest that all people who get abortions are "irresponsible". But I forgot, you suggested abstinence in another thread, so you might be the rare person who has total control of thier sex drive and can remain abstinent.. Some others do not. Do you consider using a condom responsible behavior? Or is having sex when you dont want a child ALWAYS irresponsible to you?

    You can use the rare propaganda and sensationalism behind Kermit Gosnell, but it makes the rest of your arguments seem misguided. He is facing charges and commited crimes. useless to bring that up here.
    oh, and also the lame 'killing babies'.. also sensationalism at its finest.
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  • brandon10
    brandon10 Posts: 1,114
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    zarocat wrote:
    A fetus is not yet a person.

    Justifying the murder of a class of people by categorizing them as "non-persons" has been done before. Check Nazi-Germany.

    http://www.prolifephysicians.org/lifebegins.htm



    Nazi Germany comparison?? Is that you Mr.Beck?

    If you want to use outrages Nazi comparisons, I can play that game. You are like a Nazi because you want to force people to have babies who maybe shouldn't. Then you will never give them any sort of healthcare or food when they need it. Forcing them to die of disease and starvation much like the internment camps.

    That's almost as ridiculous as your comparison.
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    Loulou wrote:
    It then makes me wonder what it would be like if it were no longer available.
    It's not right for some and that's fair enough, each to their own but when you take that option away, what will be the ramifications?

    I think this is the most practical question we can ask about this issue. One thing we know from a more global perspective is that when women don't have access to safe/legal abortion services, maternal mortality increases, causing more existing children to be orphaned and less likely to survive childhood. :(
  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    _ wrote:
    Loulou wrote:
    It then makes me wonder what it would be like if it were no longer available.
    It's not right for some and that's fair enough, each to their own but when you take that option away, what will be the ramifications?

    I think this is the most practical question we can ask about this issue. One thing we know from a more global perspective is that when women don't have access to safe/legal abortion services, maternal mortality increases, causing more existing children to be orphaned and less likely to survive childhood. :(

    Good points, its sad that too many people cant see past today. There is a bigger picture!
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  • Kraven
    Kraven Posts: 829
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    I guess Planned Parenthood knows best... killing babies since Roe versus Wade.

    Yeah because Planned Parenthood is just an abortion factory. :roll: Are you really that misinformed? They help women get birth control, provide check ups, STD screenings, help people PLAN their parenthood and more. Abortion is just one facet of the organization.

    Put the Glenn Beck scare tactics down and go do your own research.
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  • _
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    http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/ ... 011_vF.pdf

    Abortion accounts for only 3% (THREE percent) of Planned Parenthood's services. (See page 6 of annual report at link above.)
  • JOEJOEJOE
    JOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,822
    Loulou wrote:
    I am not interested in getting into a big slanging match but when I see a topic such as Why isn't it murder, makes me question if you want it to be? or are you just questioning why it's allowed?
    It then makes me wonder what it would be like if it were no longer available.
    It's not right for some and that's fair enough, each to their own but when you take that option away, what will be the ramifications? More children born that are unwanted, or abused???? What kind of mental anguish would it put on someone who was raped to have to see that rapists eyes everyday when they look at that innocent child?? I do think women who keep getting them over and over however are very irresponsible an maybe there should be some type of councelling for women like that but there are cases like rape victims and medical reasons that sometimes require a little compassion when it comes to their choices. It's personal decision and just like some you know they could never go through with aborting a baby, others know they could never go through with having the baby.

    Shame on you for making real-life aguments re: pro-choice! :)

    Well said, Lou Lou!
  • JOEJOEJOE
    JOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,822
    Why isn't someone who is anti-welfare considered a murdered. They are in favor of denying food/medicine to the needy, which would cause thousands of deaths every year.
  • cincybearcat
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    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    Why isn't someone who is anti-welfare considered a murdered. They are in favor of denying food/medicine to the needy, which would cause thousands of deaths every year.


    Man the ridiculous comments keep coming in this thread.
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  • brandon10
    brandon10 Posts: 1,114
    cincybearcat wrote:
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    Why isn't someone who is anti-welfare considered a murdered. They are in favor of denying food/medicine to the needy, which would cause thousands of deaths every year.


    Man the ridiculous comments keep coming in this thread.



    I think he got it from my post on the previous page. It was meant to be ridiculous.
  • JOEJOEJOE
    JOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,822
    cincybearcat wrote:
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    Why isn't someone who is anti-welfare considered a murdered. They are in favor of denying food/medicine to the needy, which would cause thousands of deaths every year.


    Man the ridiculous comments keep coming in this thread.

    lighten up, Francis!
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,050
    brandon10 wrote:
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    zarocat wrote:
    A fetus is not yet a person.

    Justifying the murder of a class of people by categorizing them as "non-persons" has been done before. Check Nazi-Germany.

    http://www.prolifephysicians.org/lifebegins.htm



    Nazi Germany comparison?? Is that you Mr.Beck?

    If you want to use outrages Nazi comparisons, I can play that game. You are like a Nazi because you want to force people to have babies who maybe shouldn't. Then you will never give them any sort of healthcare or food when they need it. Forcing them to die of disease and starvation much like the internment camps.

    That's almost as ridiculous as your comparison.
    this is essentially what i was going to say but brandon10 beat me to it...
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  • catefrances
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  • Byrnzie
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    Suzi78 wrote:
    So if I poach a fertilized egg, will I be eating a poached egg or a poached chicken? Just wondering...

    People here in Chinatown actually eat eggs with the birds fetus inside.

    I shit you not.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Suzi78 wrote:
    So if I poach a fertilized egg, will I be eating a poached egg or a poached chicken? Just wondering...

    People here in Chinatown actually eat eggs with the birds fetus inside.

    I shit you not.


    yeah... umm.. no thanks. :sick:
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  • Suzi78
    Suzi78 Posts: 362
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Suzi78 wrote:
    So if I poach a fertilized egg, will I be eating a poached egg or a poached chicken? Just wondering...

    People here in Chinatown actually eat eggs with the birds fetus inside.

    I shit you not.

    So basically you're eating eggs with chicken. Sounds like a pretty yummy omelette to me, all natural. Well, as long as there's no beak inside the egg. I'd rather have that than any food like substance from McDonald's or Jack in the Box.

    Anyway...I think this thread needs to be aborted now.
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