Why isn't abortion considered murder?

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  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    HeidiJam wrote:
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    I wonder how many Einsteins, Picassos, and Mozarts have not developed to their full potential because they had to go hungry when society turned their backs on them instead of providing their parents with sufficient assistance.
    So its gov./society's job to raise someone else kids??? I though you were for small gov. Regarding your turtle egg analogy:

    1. I don't think you've addressed my point about the fact that we don't prohibit turtles from destroying their own eggs any more than we should prohibit women from ending their own pregnancies, and we don't allow people to end OTHER PEOPLE'S pregnancies any more than we allow people to destroy turtle eggs that aren't theirs. My point with the egg analogy is: if you do not identify a human embryo as a human, then the turtle egg (embryo) is not a turtle, hence WHY ARE YOU PROTECTING THE EGG IF YOU DO NOT IDENTIFY IT AS A TURTLE.
    2. I believe He Still Stands has answered your question repeatedly, by pointing out that life doesn't mean personhood.
    Defne personhood???


    Google it. There are varying interpretations OBVIOUSLY. It it were black and white there would be no debate. It is very important to understand that LIFE is different from PERSONHOOD.
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    I believe that a woman should have the choice to abort a fetus up until the time it can live outside her womb on its own. Before that, I see it as an extension of her body. It cannot live without her = her choice.

    Heidi, do you care to comment on this^^^, and how vastly incomparible this makes your turtle egg analogy?
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  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    Also, since we're sharing abortion experiences... I had an abortion. It wasn't "used for contraception". It wasn't traumatic. It wasn't an irresponsible choice. It was not a selfish choice. It wasn't the easy solution. It wasn't a decision I made lightly. It was a loving decision, made with my heart. It was a good decision, the right decision, the decision that was best for everyone involved - especially my potential child. I do not feel guilty. And I do not regret my abortion. In fact, research shows that MOST women feel relief, not regret, when they have an abortion.
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    I believe that a woman should have the choice to abort a fetus up until the time it can live outside her womb on its own. Before that, I see it as an extension of her body. It cannot live without her = her choice.

    Heidi, do you care to comment on this^^^, and how vastly incomparible this makes your turtle egg analogy?
    If your wife is 9 months pregnant is punched in the stomach and the child inside of her dies, the person should only be charged with assult right?
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    HeidiJam wrote:
    _ wrote:
    I wonder how many Einsteins, Picassos, and Mozarts have not developed to their full potential because they had to go hungry when society turned their backs on them instead of providing their parents with sufficient assistance.
    So its gov./society's job to raise someone else kids???

    So it's MY job to birth someone else's kids???
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    _ wrote:
    Also, since we're sharing abortion experiences... I had an abortion. It wasn't "used for contraception". It wasn't traumatic. It wasn't an irresponsible choice. It was not a selfish choice. It wasn't the easy solution. It wasn't a decision I made lightly. It was a loving decision, made with my heart. It was a good decision, the right decision, the decision that was best for everyone involved - especially my potential child. I do not feel guilty. And I do not regret my abortion. In fact, research shows that MOST women feel relief, not regret, when they have an abortion.
    Who are you to say that ending your childs life was the best decision for them. Any life no matter how bad, is much much better than never existing.
  • DeLukin
    DeLukin Posts: 2,757
    The smallest crumb of bread is still bread...
    I smile, but who am I kidding...
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    HeidiJam wrote:
    _ wrote:
    Also, since we're sharing abortion experiences... I had an abortion. It wasn't "used for contraception". It wasn't traumatic. It wasn't an irresponsible choice. It was not a selfish choice. It wasn't the easy solution. It wasn't a decision I made lightly. It was a loving decision, made with my heart. It was a good decision, the right decision, the decision that was best for everyone involved - especially my potential child. I do not feel guilty. And I do not regret my abortion. In fact, research shows that MOST women feel relief, not regret, when they have an abortion.
    Who are you to say that ending your childs life was the best decision for them. Any life no matter how bad, is much much better than never existing.

    I disagree.
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    DeLukin wrote:
    The smallest crumb of bread is still bread...

    True. But all the ingredients for bread, put together but not yet cooked, is not bread.
  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    HeidiJam wrote:
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    I believe that a woman should have the choice to abort a fetus up until the time it can live outside her womb on its own. Before that, I see it as an extension of her body. It cannot live without her = her choice.

    Heidi, do you care to comment on this^^^, and how vastly incomparible this makes your turtle egg analogy?
    If your wife is 9 months pregnant is punched in the stomach and the child inside of her dies, the person should only be charged with assult right?

    You didnt answer the question of course.

    But, I'll answer yours, because it is a good question.
    No, of course not. Are you aware of different stages of murder charges? 1st degree, 2nd degree, manslaughter, etc... Have you heard of 'motive'?

    I do NOT agree with abortions at 9 months, but think his preson in your scenario should be charged with manslaughter because of the aggression/motive. I am pretty sure most abortions, however, are not usually performed out of aggression, anger, or attack on a person. Sorry, I think you're really digging too hard for an analogy that just wont work man.
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  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    _ wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    _ wrote:
    I wonder how many Einsteins, Picassos, and Mozarts have not developed to their full potential because they had to go hungry when society turned their backs on them instead of providing their parents with sufficient assistance.
    So its gov./society's job to raise someone else kids???

    So it's MY job to birth someone else's kids???
    Did you not partake in the act??? Maybe take some fucking responsibility for your actions.
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    _ wrote:
    DeLukin wrote:
    The smallest crumb of bread is still bread...

    True. But all the ingredients for bread, put together but not yet cooked, is not bread.
    Sorry but your wrong again. It is complete because the building blocks of life have come together to make life. Other than to grow and develop, there is not other step to be taken. The formation of life is COMPLETE!!
  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    I wonder if when I get to heaven I'll meet up with my aborted child? That would suck!
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    HeidiJam wrote:
    _ wrote:
    DeLukin wrote:
    The smallest crumb of bread is still bread...

    True. But all the ingredients for bread, put together but not yet cooked, is not bread.
    Sorry but your wrong again. It is complete because the building blocks of life have come together to make life. Other than to grow and develop, there is not other step to be taken. The formation of life is COMPLETE!!

    Absolutely wrong. Many of the vital organs arent working for weeks. The heart doesnt even start pumping until about a month. Lungs 6 weeks, etc.. defintely not complete. That fetus is dependant on its mother for several months before it could live on its own, therefore incomplete.
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  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    Scientifically... life begins when cells begin dividing... just a few hours (maybe a day or two?) after conception.
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    HeidiJam wrote:
    _ wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    So its gov./society's job to raise someone else kids???

    So it's MY job to birth someone else's kids???
    Did you not partake in the act??? Maybe take some fucking responsibility for your actions.

    Abortion is taking responsibility. Kids are not consequences. And I should only have to birth them if they're my kids. I shouldn't be REQUIRED to birth kids for someone else.
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    Sorry but your wrong again. It is complete because the building blocks of life have come together to make life. Other than to grow and develop, there is not other step to be taken. The formation of life is COMPLETE!!

    Absolutely wrong. Many of the vital organs arent working for weeks. The heart doesnt even start pumping until about a month. Lungs 6 weeks, etc.. defintely not complete. That fetus is dependant on its mother for several months before it could live on its own, therefore incomplete.
    Its complete, all those organs are there, there developing and growing. The fetus is dependant of the mother, yes, but just like we depend on oxygen to live, they are a product of their environment, why does that disqualify them from being human?
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    HeidiJam wrote:
    _ wrote:
    DeLukin wrote:
    The smallest crumb of bread is still bread...

    True. But all the ingredients for bread, put together but not yet cooked, is not bread.
    Sorry but your wrong again. It is complete because the building blocks of life have come together to make life. Other than to grow and develop, there is not other step to be taken. The formation of life is COMPLETE!!

    So you don't believe in dough?? :?
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    HeidiJam wrote:
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    Sorry but your wrong again. It is complete because the building blocks of life have come together to make life. Other than to grow and develop, there is not other step to be taken. The formation of life is COMPLETE!!

    Absolutely wrong. Many of the vital organs arent working for weeks. The heart doesnt even start pumping until about a month. Lungs 6 weeks, etc.. defintely not complete. That fetus is dependant on its mother for several months before it could live on its own, therefore incomplete.
    Its complete, all those organs are there, there developing and growing. The fetus is dependant of the mother, yes, but just like we depend on oxygen to live, they are a product of their environment, why does that disqualify them from being human?

    Huh?? :?
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    _ wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    Its complete, all those organs are there, there developing and growing. The fetus is dependant of the mother, yes, but just like we depend on oxygen to live, they are a product of their environment, why does that disqualify them from being human?

    Huh?? :?
    All the genetic information is there for them to develop,

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