Why isn't abortion considered murder?
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HeidiJam wrote:Yes I have a point, your to stupid to follow.
Cute. You're a real dab hand at throwing insults. I'm impressed.HeidiJam wrote:Your so wrapped up in Choice and your political bias that your not getting that any way you look at it, an embryo is the earliest stage of human life, there for it is a human.
Actually, no, it isn't. You're syllogism is faulty and does not follow the rules of classical logic. For instance, while some cats (A) are black (B), and some black things (B) are televisions (C), it does not follow from this that some cats (A) are televisions (C).
Do you understand that? I can draw you a picture if you like?HeidiJam wrote:If your for protecting egg of other animals why are you against protecting embyos of humans?
Humans aren't an endangered species.0 -
Awesome! :crazy:Byrnzie wrote:
Actually, no, it isn't. You're syllogism is faulty and does not follow the rules of classical logic. For instance, while some cats (A) are black (B), and some black things (B) are televisions (C), it does not follow from this that some cats (A) are televisions (C).
I think we should leave this to the ladies. It's no man's right to say how a woman should treat her body.0 -
The turtle egg thing is just absurd.
First... There isn't such thing as an "unwanted turtle pregnancy" and the mother won't be unable to care for her 50 babies since she just swims away and never sees them again.
Second... turtles are an endangered species because of humans... it's our duty to protect them. Humans... not so much.0 -
This.. and by the way, I feel like he's talking directly to you Heidi haha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvF1Q3UidWM&feature=relatedCONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis0 -
?keeponrockin wrote:What should punishment be Heidi? And are you willing to raise taxes to fund the needed welfare programs?Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V0 -
FiveB247x wrote:This.. and by the way, I feel like he's talking directly to you Heidi haha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvF1Q3UidWM&feature=related
"Any woman who's had more than one period is a serial killer..." I guess it's true if we go for the moment of fertilisation! 0 -
I have said it in other thread before, you don't need to raise taxes, simply deduct money from the welfare recipiant check when they have a child that they can not take care of (cloth/feed/shelter) use that money and put it into a foster care/adoption program that way you are giving children a family that wants them and you are using already existing funded money.keeponrockin wrote:
?keeponrockin wrote:What should punishment be Heidi? And are you willing to raise taxes to fund the needed welfare programs?0 -
so a womans egg by its self = embryo?
so a mans sperm by its self = embryo?
wow you guys are idiots...0 -
nuffingman wrote:
Awesome! :crazy:Byrnzie wrote:
Actually, no, it isn't. You're syllogism is faulty and does not follow the rules of classical logic. For instance, while some cats (A) are black (B), and some black things (B) are televisions (C), it does not follow from this that some cats (A) are televisions (C).
I think we should leave this to the ladies. It's no man's right to say how a woman should treat her body.
I never understand this statement. I think it is certainly a topic that everyone should be able to provide an opinion on. Unless of course, only female babies are being aborted...then I guess it's purely a female topic.hippiemom = goodness0 -
HeidiJam wrote:
I have said it in other thread before, you don't need to raise taxes, simply deduct money from the welfare recipiant check when they have a child that they can not take care of (cloth/feed/shelter) use that money and put it into a foster care/adoption program that way you are giving children a family that wants them and you are using already existing funded money.keeponrockin wrote:
?keeponrockin wrote:What should punishment be Heidi? And are you willing to raise taxes to fund the needed welfare programs?
simply... 0 -
cincybearcat wrote:
I never understand this statement. I think it is certainly a topic that everyone should be able to provide an opinion on. Unless of course, only female babies are being aborted...then I guess it's purely a female topic.
Everyone should be able to express their opinion and debate abortion but I believe, in the end, it is the woman's choice. She is the one with the most vested interest in this and suffers all the consequences (physical, emotional, financial, etc). Whilst I admit that the 'father' may also have some emotional interest, more often than not, in an unwanted pregnancy, he is nowhere to be seen, not even offering moral support.0 -
Here's another reason to get an abortion...
it is GREEN!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkgDhDa4HHoEverything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.0 -
FiveB247x wrote:This.. and by the way, I feel like he's talking directly to you Heidi haha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvF1Q3UidWM&feature=related
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thank you for your support, g under p.... I can see you understand.g under p wrote:pandora wrote:Wow I've seen this thread go to some mighty weird places :?
arguing whether a human fetus ....
(not a jack off! not a turtle egg! not a pet!.... Really?)
is a human being, with hands and feet and toes and fingers and eyes and a brain
and a tiny heart beat ....
arguing whether it is life or not.
Why is it so hard to admit abortion is what is it?
It is legal..it is necessary
it is what is is.
It is legalized murder...it has been legal for 38 years. It's here to stay.
Women will not and should not give up the right to choose.
As I mentioned capitol punishment is also legalized murder.
Having been the only woman, I think, here to admit she has had an abortion,
my point in doing so was to say, I made the wrong decision.
I realize the need... women need to have the choice, we do not all think alike. We need to be safe when terminating a fetus and not all women are in a position to be able to sacrifice to give life.
I thought I needed to have an abortion. It was the easy solution... I thought at age 16.....
fly to New York, boom done problem solved in a matter of a day.
I didn't realize for me it would be a lifetime of guilt. Which set in immediately....
an empty horrible feeling.
I could have been unselfish, given 9 months of life of give life. Given my baby up for adoption
to a couple who needed a child to love. Given life to a person who needed life.
My point is that the real tragedy is the logical thought behind abortion instead of thinking with your heart.
This is easy to do because it doesn't hurt. It is easy to be selfish.
Our choices in life should be decided with our hearts, most especially regarding human life,
in my opinion.
Good post...several of your references I've been there and sadly I've experienced them.
Peace
I'm sorry you had to experience this too.
Sometimes the fathers get forgotten when they hurt just as much,
even more.... as it is out of their hands.
My high school sweetheart was by my side whatever I chose.
He was a caring and supportive friend.0 -
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experience Pandora. Definitely adds a perspective that we didn't have.
Heidi, you didn't mention what the punishment should be.Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V0 -
HeidiJam wrote:I have said it in other thread before, you don't need to raise taxes, simply deduct money from the welfare recipiant check when they have a child that they can not take care of (cloth/feed/shelter) use that money and put it into a foster care/adoption program that way you are giving children a family that wants them and you are using already existing funded money.
Do you consider yourself a philanthropist Heidijam? Or does your love of humanity end at the point when a person is born? 0 -
pandora wrote:
thank you for your support, g under p.... I can see you understand.g under p wrote:pandora wrote:Wow I've seen this thread go to some mighty weird places :?
arguing whether a human fetus ....
(not a jack off! not a turtle egg! not a pet!.... Really?)
is a human being, with hands and feet and toes and fingers and eyes and a brain
and a tiny heart beat ....
arguing whether it is life or not.
Why is it so hard to admit abortion is what is it?
It is legal..it is necessary
it is what is is.
It is legalized murder...it has been legal for 38 years. It's here to stay.
Women will not and should not give up the right to choose.
As I mentioned capitol punishment is also legalized murder.
Having been the only woman, I think, here to admit she has had an abortion,
my point in doing so was to say, I made the wrong decision.
I realize the need... women need to have the choice, we do not all think alike. We need to be safe when terminating a fetus and not all women are in a position to be able to sacrifice to give life.
I thought I needed to have an abortion. It was the easy solution... I thought at age 16.....
fly to New York, boom done problem solved in a matter of a day.
I didn't realize for me it would be a lifetime of guilt. Which set in immediately....
an empty horrible feeling.
I could have been unselfish, given 9 months of life of give life. Given my baby up for adoption
to a couple who needed a child to love. Given life to a person who needed life.
My point is that the real tragedy is the logical thought behind abortion instead of thinking with your heart.
This is easy to do because it doesn't hurt. It is easy to be selfish.
Our choices in life should be decided with our hearts, most especially regarding human life,
in my opinion. Good post...several of your references I've been there and sadly I've experienced them.
Peace
I'm sorry you had to experience this too.
Sometimes the fathers get forgotten when they hurt just as much,
even more.... as it is out of their hands.
My high school sweetheart was by my side whatever I chose.
He was a caring and supportive friend.
Same exact situation just in college and it was completely out of my hands. Let's see that was almost 30 years ago and I wonder why I changed my life and worked so diligently with pre-school children/teens for so many years now I'm on the the other end of the spectrum... caring for the elderly.
The other experience is a whole other story... :(
Peace*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)0 -
HeidiJam wrote:
My point is that a human embryo is a developing human at the earliest stage. I find it odd that we have laws protecting sea turtle eggs yet not protecting developing humans._ wrote:Having a law preventing people from destroying a turtle's eggs is completely different from having a law preventing a turtle from destroying its own eggs. The latter, not the former, is more analogous to abortion.
Why should we have laws protecting a turtles eggs since the egg is not a turtle???
For the same reason we DO have the SAME laws for humans - keep your hands off SOMEONE ELSE'S eggs/embryos.0 -
Why??? I don't understand the hate around here for me, I may have harsh views on welfare people but that is because from my experience the system is abused beyone belief. Personal responsibility seems to be a foreign term around here. Its not the Gov. job to provide for you/your children. If you make it the gov. job then they should also be allow to put regulations and restrictions. I have a great love for humanity hence why I want people to be responsible especially then the gov. is providing your food/clothes/shelter, because the only people that suffer are children, and thats unacceptable to me.Byrnzie wrote:HeidiJam wrote:I have said it in other thread before, you don't need to raise taxes, simply deduct money from the welfare recipiant check when they have a child that they can not take care of (cloth/feed/shelter) use that money and put it into a foster care/adoption program that way you are giving children a family that wants them and you are using already existing funded money.
Do you consider yourself a philanthropist Heidijam? Or does your love of humanity end at the point when a person is born?0 -
isn't deducting the money from the welfare recipient defeating the purpose of public aid and welfare? if you give them some money yet deduct from the menial sum that they receive, you are just perpetuating the poverty problem...HeidiJam wrote:I have said it in other thread before, you don't need to raise taxes, simply deduct money from the welfare recipiant check when they have a child that they can not take care of (cloth/feed/shelter) use that money and put it into a foster care/adoption program that way you are giving children a family that wants them and you are using already existing funded money."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0
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