Why isn't abortion considered murder?
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HeidiJam wrote:Yes I have a point, your to stupid to follow.
Cute. You're a real dab hand at throwing insults. I'm impressed.HeidiJam wrote:Your so wrapped up in Choice and your political bias that your not getting that any way you look at it, an embryo is the earliest stage of human life, there for it is a human.
Actually, no, it isn't. You're syllogism is faulty and does not follow the rules of classical logic. For instance, while some cats (A) are black (B), and some black things (B) are televisions (C), it does not follow from this that some cats (A) are televisions (C).
Do you understand that? I can draw you a picture if you like?HeidiJam wrote:If your for protecting egg of other animals why are you against protecting embyos of humans?
Humans aren't an endangered species.0 -
Awesome! :crazy:Byrnzie wrote:
Actually, no, it isn't. You're syllogism is faulty and does not follow the rules of classical logic. For instance, while some cats (A) are black (B), and some black things (B) are televisions (C), it does not follow from this that some cats (A) are televisions (C).
I think we should leave this to the ladies. It's no man's right to say how a woman should treat her body.0 -
The turtle egg thing is just absurd.
First... There isn't such thing as an "unwanted turtle pregnancy" and the mother won't be unable to care for her 50 babies since she just swims away and never sees them again.
Second... turtles are an endangered species because of humans... it's our duty to protect them. Humans... not so much.0 -
This.. and by the way, I feel like he's talking directly to you Heidi haha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvF1Q3UidWM&feature=relatedCONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis0 -
?keeponrockin wrote:What should punishment be Heidi? And are you willing to raise taxes to fund the needed welfare programs?Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V0 -
FiveB247x wrote:This.. and by the way, I feel like he's talking directly to you Heidi haha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvF1Q3UidWM&feature=related
"Any woman who's had more than one period is a serial killer..." I guess it's true if we go for the moment of fertilisation! 0 -
I have said it in other thread before, you don't need to raise taxes, simply deduct money from the welfare recipiant check when they have a child that they can not take care of (cloth/feed/shelter) use that money and put it into a foster care/adoption program that way you are giving children a family that wants them and you are using already existing funded money.keeponrockin wrote:0 -
so a womans egg by its self = embryo?
so a mans sperm by its self = embryo?
wow you guys are idiots...0 -
nuffingman wrote:Awesome! :crazy:
I think we should leave this to the ladies. It's no man's right to say how a woman should treat her body.
I never understand this statement. I think it is certainly a topic that everyone should be able to provide an opinion on. Unless of course, only female babies are being aborted...then I guess it's purely a female topic.hippiemom = goodness0 -
HeidiJam wrote:I have said it in other thread before, you don't need to raise taxes, simply deduct money from the welfare recipiant check when they have a child that they can not take care of (cloth/feed/shelter) use that money and put it into a foster care/adoption program that way you are giving children a family that wants them and you are using already existing funded money.
simply... 0 -
cincybearcat wrote:
I never understand this statement. I think it is certainly a topic that everyone should be able to provide an opinion on. Unless of course, only female babies are being aborted...then I guess it's purely a female topic.
Everyone should be able to express their opinion and debate abortion but I believe, in the end, it is the woman's choice. She is the one with the most vested interest in this and suffers all the consequences (physical, emotional, financial, etc). Whilst I admit that the 'father' may also have some emotional interest, more often than not, in an unwanted pregnancy, he is nowhere to be seen, not even offering moral support.0 -
Here's another reason to get an abortion...
it is GREEN!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkgDhDa4HHoEverything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.0 -
FiveB247x wrote:This.. and by the way, I feel like he's talking directly to you Heidi haha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvF1Q3UidWM&feature=related
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thank you for your support, g under p.... I can see you understand.g under p wrote:
Good post...several of your references I've been there and sadly I've experienced them.
Peace
I'm sorry you had to experience this too.
Sometimes the fathers get forgotten when they hurt just as much,
even more.... as it is out of their hands.
My high school sweetheart was by my side whatever I chose.
He was a caring and supportive friend.0 -
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experience Pandora. Definitely adds a perspective that we didn't have.
Heidi, you didn't mention what the punishment should be.Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V0 -
HeidiJam wrote:I have said it in other thread before, you don't need to raise taxes, simply deduct money from the welfare recipiant check when they have a child that they can not take care of (cloth/feed/shelter) use that money and put it into a foster care/adoption program that way you are giving children a family that wants them and you are using already existing funded money.
Do you consider yourself a philanthropist Heidijam? Or does your love of humanity end at the point when a person is born? 0 -
pandora wrote:thank you for your support, g under p.... I can see you understand.
I'm sorry you had to experience this too.
Sometimes the fathers get forgotten when they hurt just as much,
even more.... as it is out of their hands.
My high school sweetheart was by my side whatever I chose.
He was a caring and supportive friend.
Same exact situation just in college and it was completely out of my hands. Let's see that was almost 30 years ago and I wonder why I changed my life and worked so diligently with pre-school children/teens for so many years now I'm on the the other end of the spectrum... caring for the elderly.
The other experience is a whole other story... :(
Peace*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)0 -
HeidiJam wrote:My point is that a human embryo is a developing human at the earliest stage. I find it odd that we have laws protecting sea turtle eggs yet not protecting developing humans.
Why should we have laws protecting a turtles eggs since the egg is not a turtle???
For the same reason we DO have the SAME laws for humans - keep your hands off SOMEONE ELSE'S eggs/embryos.0 -
Why??? I don't understand the hate around here for me, I may have harsh views on welfare people but that is because from my experience the system is abused beyone belief. Personal responsibility seems to be a foreign term around here. Its not the Gov. job to provide for you/your children. If you make it the gov. job then they should also be allow to put regulations and restrictions. I have a great love for humanity hence why I want people to be responsible especially then the gov. is providing your food/clothes/shelter, because the only people that suffer are children, and thats unacceptable to me.Byrnzie wrote:
Do you consider yourself a philanthropist Heidijam? Or does your love of humanity end at the point when a person is born?0 -
isn't deducting the money from the welfare recipient defeating the purpose of public aid and welfare? if you give them some money yet deduct from the menial sum that they receive, you are just perpetuating the poverty problem...HeidiJam wrote:I have said it in other thread before, you don't need to raise taxes, simply deduct money from the welfare recipiant check when they have a child that they can not take care of (cloth/feed/shelter) use that money and put it into a foster care/adoption program that way you are giving children a family that wants them and you are using already existing funded money."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0
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