Libya

LikeAnOcean
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edited October 2013 in A Moving Train
"We have no freedom here,I speak to all the world, to America, to Mr. Obama: Please help us. We (did) nothing. We want to live a good life."

Sorry Libyans. The U.S. doesn't really care about freedom and democracy. We will pick and choose our battles by whatever benefits us..

I have to ask, we always seem to want to liberate people who don't really want to be liberated, so why nothing now when it's obvious that 90% of the country is ready to die for freedom and all they need is just a little help to topple their dictators?

Are these dictators good business partners with the U.S.?


I'm not sure we'd even have to do anything besides ask the government to hand power over to the people after showing them some slides of Iraq.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    "We have no freedom here,I speak to all the world, to America, to Mr. Obama: Please help us. We (did) nothing. We want to live a good life."

    Sorry Libyans. The U.S. doesn't really care about freedom and democracy. We will pick and choose our battles by whatever benefits us..

    I have to ask, we always seem to want to liberate people who don't really want to be liberated, so why nothing now when it's obvious that 90% of the country is ready to die for freedom and all they need is just a little help to topple their dictators?

    Are these dictators good business partners with the U.S.?


    I'm not sure we'd even have to do anything besides ask the government to hand power over to the people after showing them some slides of Iraq.

    The Palestinians have been asking for their freedom for 40 years and the U.S has stood alone in the world in preventing that from happening, so based on that evidence I don't place Libya's prospects too highly.

    Is there really such thing as humanitarian intervention? I have my doubts. The U.S will intervene if and when they see an opportunity to make money out of it.

    Then again, maybe it will be a good thing in the long term if the U.S keeps it's snout of it. Real independence can only really be gotten without any outside interference.
  • nuffingman
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    Byrnzie wrote:
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    "We have no freedom here,I speak to all the world, to America, to Mr. Obama: Please help us. We (did) nothing. We want to live a good life."

    Sorry Libyans. The U.S. doesn't really care about freedom and democracy. We will pick and choose our battles by whatever benefits us..

    I have to ask, we always seem to want to liberate people who don't really want to be liberated, so why nothing now when it's obvious that 90% of the country is ready to die for freedom and all they need is just a little help to topple their dictators?

    Are these dictators good business partners with the U.S.?

    I'm not sure we'd even have to do anything besides ask the government to hand power over to the people after showing them some slides of Iraq.

    The Palestinians have been asking for their freedom for 40 years and the U.S has stood alone in the world in preventing that from happening, so based on that evidence I don't place Libya's prospects too highly.

    Is there really such thing as humanitarian intervention? I have my doubts. The U.S will intervene if and when they see an opportunity to make money out of it.

    Then again, maybe it will be a good thing in the long term if the U.S keeps it's snout of it. Real independence can only really be gotten without any outside interference.
    What have the Palestinian got that the US would want? Nothing so don't expect any help. Zimbabwe has a lunatic in Mugabe but nothing that's of any use. Don't expect any help there either.

    Libya on the other hand has major oil fields. I can almost hear the tanks rolling.
  • zarocat
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    It's all about profit & rule through instability. Don't be fooled by one second that the instability in the middle east is not welcomed by the U.S.
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  • StillHere
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    edited February 2011
    I wonder now that the violence has increased with government helicopters shooting into crowds and into the streets, and the son of Qaddafi (sp?) more or less declaring war on his people, stating that they will no longer be crying over the deaths of 97 people, but over the deaths of thousands, and that the cities of Libya will run with rivers of blood...NOW will the U.S. step in? We have before when its gotten this bad...in 'some' countries. I haven't seen Obama comment on any of this publicly yet...have any of you?
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  • keeponrockin
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    StillHere wrote:
    I wonder now that the violence has increased with government helicopters shooting into crowds and into the streets, and the son of Qaddafi (sp?) more or less declaring war on his people, stating that they will no longer be crying over the deaths of 97 people, but over the deaths of thousands, and that the cities of Libya will run with rivers of blood...NOW...NOW will the U.S. step in? We have before when its gotten this bad...in 'some' countries. I haven't seen Obama comment on any of this publicly yet...have any of you?
    When is it the job to be world cop?
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  • StillHere
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    keeponrockin wrote:
    StillHere wrote:
    I wonder now that the violence has increased with government helicopters shooting into crowds and into the streets, and the son of Qaddafi (sp?) more or less declaring war on his people, stating that they will no longer be crying over the deaths of 97 people, but over the deaths of thousands, and that the cities of Libya will run with rivers of blood...NOW...NOW will the U.S. step in? We have before when its gotten this bad...in 'some' countries. I haven't seen Obama comment on any of this publicly yet...have any of you?
    When is it the job to be world cop?

    It's not...but we do it anyway, don't we? Not saying it's the thing to do at all....just wondering if the U.S. will revert to its usual practices.
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  • redrock
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    StillHere wrote:
    I wonder now that the violence has increased with government helicopters shooting into crowds and into the streets, and the son of Qaddafi (sp?) more or less declaring war on his people, stating that they will no longer be crying over the deaths of 97 people, but over the deaths of thousands, and that the cities of Libya will run with rivers of blood...NOW...NOW will the U.S. step in? We have before when its gotten this bad...in 'some' countries. I haven't seen Obama comment on any of this publicly yet...have any of you?

    Why should the US step in? We have seen too many times what happens when they do. I haven't seen Obama comment, but Hillary did demand that the bloodshed stop. I wish she would have been as 'demanding' with Israel.
  • Byrnzie
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    In Bahrain:

    Bahrain's army deliberately kills peaceful protesters with live rounds
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwnUQcKX ... ntrinter=1
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    redrock wrote:
    StillHere wrote:
    I wonder now that the violence has increased with government helicopters shooting into crowds and into the streets, and the son of Qaddafi (sp?) more or less declaring war on his people, stating that they will no longer be crying over the deaths of 97 people, but over the deaths of thousands, and that the cities of Libya will run with rivers of blood...NOW...NOW will the U.S. step in? We have before when its gotten this bad...in 'some' countries. I haven't seen Obama comment on any of this publicly yet...have any of you?

    Why should the US step in? We have seen too many times what happens when they do. I haven't seen Obama comment, but Hillary did demand that the bloodshed stop. I wish she would have been as 'demanding' with Israel.

    I agree, why is it that the U.S. need to step into every single affair globally? This country seems to be in the position to "save" other countries because we're the great and powerful U.S. but we can't even solve our own problems.
  • Jeanwah
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    Byrnzie wrote:
    In Bahrain:

    Bahrain's army deliberately kills peaceful protesters with live rounds
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwnUQcKX ... ntrinter=1

    OMG. :shock: Now that's raw footage. Horrible.
  • FiveB247x
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    Actually being the "world cop" is our duty, because we've made it our business to grab the reigns. Can't simply reap all the rewards with none of the responsibility.
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    And Saddam was the irrational one...
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  • StillHere
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    Jeanwah wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    In Bahrain:

    Bahrain's army deliberately kills peaceful protesters with live rounds
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwnUQcKX ... ntrinter=1

    OMG. :shock: Now that's raw footage. Horrible.

    absolutely disgusting, heartbreaking, maddening...it's truly unbelievable what humans can do to one another. i don't know if i live in this same world.
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  • Smellyman
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    StillHere wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    In Bahrain:

    Bahrain's army deliberately kills peaceful protesters with live rounds
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwnUQcKX ... ntrinter=1

    OMG. :shock: Now that's raw footage. Horrible.

    absolutely disgusting, heartbreaking, maddening...it's truly unbelievable what humans can do to one another. i don't know if i live in this same world.

    f#*k me.

    I don't think I live in the same world either.

    Someone on another board was saying how can a countries army fire on their civilians and said he doesn't understand human nature. He was ok with going to war though...


    I don't understand how anybody can fire on ANYONE no matter where they are from.
  • Pepe Silvia
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    Smellyman wrote:


    f#*k me.

    I don't think I live in the same world either.

    Someone on another board was saying how can a countries army fire on their civilians and said he doesn't understand human nature. He was ok with going to war though...


    I don't understand how anybody can fire on ANYONE no matter where they are from.


    i read somewhere that two libyan pilots took their jets and defected after being ordered to fire on the protesters
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  • StillHere
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    Pepe Silvia wrote:
    Smellyman wrote:


    f#*k me.

    I don't think I live in the same world either.

    Someone on another board was saying how can a countries army fire on their civilians and said he doesn't understand human nature. He was ok with going to war though...


    I don't understand how anybody can fire on ANYONE no matter where they are from.


    i read somewhere that two libyan pilots took their jets and defected after being ordered to fire on the protesters

    good for them...where did they go, do you know? there were photos on CNN of soldiers burned alive for refusing to fire on their fellow Libyans...i just can't fathom
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  • zarocat
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    Pepe Silvia wrote:
    Smellyman wrote:


    f#*k me.

    I don't think I live in the same world either.

    Someone on another board was saying how can a countries army fire on their civilians and said he doesn't understand human nature. He was ok with going to war though...


    I don't understand how anybody can fire on ANYONE no matter where they are from.


    i read somewhere that two libyan pilots took their jets and defected after being ordered to fire on the protesters

    I heard that as well but know their saying that they wanted to refuel. Also, a helicopter showed up carrying French citizens on the same island (Malta)

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  • StillHere
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    CNN just reported that a Libyan military jet has crashed after refusing to bomb a major city in Libya at order of the government. Apparently the pilot and copilot were able to eject. :wtf: :?
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  • fuck
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    zarocat wrote:
    It's all about profit & rule through instability. Don't be fooled by one second that the instability in the middle east is not welcomed by the U.S.
    of course its not, wtf are you talking about. there's a reason the U.S. has welcomed these dictators for decades, it's because it kept the middle east "stable." stability is what the U.S. wants, though stability on their own terms--that is, keeping the masses subjected under oppressive rulers who do what the U.S. tells them to do.
  • fuck
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    Jeanwah wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    StillHere wrote:
    I wonder now that the violence has increased with government helicopters shooting into crowds and into the streets, and the son of Qaddafi (sp?) more or less declaring war on his people, stating that they will no longer be crying over the deaths of 97 people, but over the deaths of thousands, and that the cities of Libya will run with rivers of blood...NOW...NOW will the U.S. step in? We have before when its gotten this bad...in 'some' countries. I haven't seen Obama comment on any of this publicly yet...have any of you?

    Why should the US step in? We have seen too many times what happens when they do. I haven't seen Obama comment, but Hillary did demand that the bloodshed stop. I wish she would have been as 'demanding' with Israel.

    I agree, why is it that the U.S. need to step into every single affair globally? This country seems to be in the position to "save" other countries because we're the great and powerful U.S. but we can't even solve our own problems.
    Um, let me take a shot, oh how about this: Because the U.S. has been supporting the Qadhdhafi regime!! I mean, Hillary just met with Mu`tasim Qadhdhafi. WTF! Americans need to tell its government to stop supporting these governments. And America needs to take a more active role in demanding Qadhdhafi step the fuck down, along with the rest of the world.

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