Eddie Vedder is an Atheist...and I'm proud of him.

You can't have a moral law under atheism.

Wow. Untrue, ignorant and offensive in just one sentence!

SheetsOfClay wrote:

Wow. Untrue, ignorant and offensive in just one sentence!

How the hell is that offensive? It's not like he called someone a "cock-smoke cum-guzzling thundercunt." Now that's offensive.

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

How the hell is that offensive? It's not like he called someone a "cock-smoke cum-guzzling thundercunt." Now that's offensive.

lol

It is offensive. It's as if atheists have no morals.

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

I think that whoever wrote "You can't have a moral law under atheism," isn't suggesting that atheists have no morals. Or maybe he is, who knows. but I took it as when he says "moral code," he's saying that atheists will never be "united." Christians have their own moral believes. Buddhists have different ones. Hinduists have others and so on and so forth because each group adheres to a set of teachings. Athesist #1 doesn't believe in God and neither does atheist #2. but besides that, I doubt that #1 and #2 have similar morals.

Actually, I think most people have similar morals, whether they are Christian, Hindu, atheist or snake-handler.

Don't kill.
Don't steal.
Lying is bad.
Do unto others.

Basic morals -- the difference between right and wrong -- are pretty universal across the board.

People use God to help them do what is right. People seem to think they need the fear of God or they will do wrong.

People can choose right or wrong and not believe in higher power.

Parents lie to kids about Santa, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy...why not God as well?

By definition, God or god, is a supreme being that is worshiped.

I do not consider myself an atheist, however I do not believe in "God" in the traditional sense.

I believe we are all connected and that collectively we are "the higher power."

Listening to Ed all these years, I think he has a similar insight.

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

I agree with this....though every snake-handler I've ever met has been a dick.

That's a good point. I hate those motherfuckers.

umlawgrad wrote:

It really doesn't matter to me, but I don't believe he is an atheist. He talks way too much about God for someone who absolutely doesn't believe. I also question whether he is an atheist from his lyrics. I have never met a true atheist, but those who truly don't believe would not make an such an issue of God as Ed often does. Based on what I know and have seen of Ed, I would say he is an agnostic.

Agnostic believes in a god but not in religion. I'm amazed that people can't believe when Ed says "I don't believe in god" and take it for truth, even when it comes from his own mouth multiple times. What more do you need?

What would he gain from saying he doesn't believe in god? I bet more of his listeners believe in a god of some kind, rather than don't.

They can't seem to accept it for what it is. Perhaps it hurts to believe someone you look up too doesn't share your belief and the songs you take as spouting perhaps religious leanings that compliment your own belief, are maybe not meant that way at all. I don't know. I'm facinated by the denial that happens.

I am an athiest, comepletey an athiest. It took years of study of the many religions of the world and many great works of philosophy to come to the realization that I don't believe in any religion or god. I'm not confused, I'm not undecided..I don't believe in a God of any kind.

But, I still use the term "Good God" all the time, I also say, "Thank God" and "God Damn it" and many other terms reflecting what some might take as a belief in a higher being. But honestly, it's out of habit and for lack of a better exclamation. I will say something touches my very soul, but it's because people will understand what that means not because I believe I have a soul to go to heaven or hell. It doesn't make me less of an athiest or suddenly an agnostic, just makes me uncreative in my speaking.

There are no rules for athiests to follow except we don't believe in gods or religion. But, morals don't come from religion. Morals come from an understanding of what's right and what's wrong, you can learn that without religion. I hold myself to the same tenents, I don't lie, I don't steal, I treat others as I would like to be treated, I don't commit adultry, I don't kill .It means I take reposibility for my own actions.

Wilds wrote:

agree with slightofjeff.

I'm sure the basic moral outline for Athiests and Religious folk is pretty much the same.

While I agree that killing is wrong, why is it wrong to atheists? Under atheism there is no god. We are all just atoms and molecules and nothing more. One atheist says killing is wrong. Another atheist says killing is okay. Who is to say either is right? Killing is a case of one set of molecules killing another set of molecules, just like a lion killing a zebra. It is survival of the fittest.

Under religion, there is a creator who has provided the moral law. No moral law has been provided under a world created by atoms. In fact, it doesn't need one. Atheists can create one, but they cannot defend it against one who disagrees.

The Long Road wrote:

My two friends would still be alive and working in the World Trade Center right now, if it weren't for religion playing such a major part in the destruction caused on 9/11.

You fail to understand that even these fuckers aren't doing things in the name of religion. the islam faith doesn't condone what they did -- they did it for their own personal ideals, twisting around the religion at its very core, thinking they were doing it for 'Allah.' You won't find many religions that preach violence.......people that do practice it are extremists.