PJ LIVE: ridiculously fast tempos?

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  • Better Dan
    Better Dan Posts: 5,684
    tremors wrote:
    I like the old style, and I like the new style, but overall I prefer listening to the current style more than the old. I think it's because I think they are playing tighter than they ever have done, and I really dig Matt's style of playing on the 09 / 10 boots - for me this is when he feels like he's come into his own with Pearl Jam. I know and love all the old material - but I get most enjoyment from listening to the current way of doing things. Ed's voice and the playing. I do notice that certain songs can be a bit 'breakneck' compared to before - but this has never spoilt my enjoyment of them. I guess some of this is a matter of taste.


    Yeah, and for me it also depends on the song. In Hiding, one of my favorite songs, sounds sped up on Live on Ten Legs, and I absolutely love that version. NAIS is also faster and actually sounds better, IMO.
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  • BettrMan21
    BettrMan21 Chattanooga,Tn Posts: 291
    Damnit I had forgotten how great that SVT version of Given to Fly is. Perfect. Love SVT....
  • facepollution
    facepollution Posts: 6,834
    Better Dan wrote:
    Here's a 2010 USA Version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpVJNq0AGUs

    As it goes that's not an awful version, but the drumming is all wrong...................

    In general I love Matt Cameron's playing, but there are certain songs where for some reason he just doesn't get it right, it's not like he's not capable .......
  • PilateOfTheStorm
    PilateOfTheStorm Posts: 4,319
    Even Flow is way too fast IMO
    one of my favourite songs ever
    I still love it now but sometimes it just feels too too fast
    I understand that it's boring for them to play the same songs 20 years later, but there are other ways to vary a song.

    I love Matt's drumming though
  • False_Belief
    False_Belief Cardiff Posts: 763
    They slow Lukin down...they play a few other things faster - it all balances out ;)

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  • gndcd402
    gndcd402 Posts: 2,576
    edited January 2011
    justam wrote:
    Ed sings better now than he did when he was younger
    i'm not even going to get into just how wrong this statement is...

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  • Elbereth84
    Elbereth84 Posts: 253
    gndcd402 wrote:
    justam wrote:
    Ed sings better now than he did when he was younger
    i'm not even going to get into just how wrong this statement is...

    And there are not enough words to say how right you are with your comment that his/her statement is completely wrong. :D
  • tremors
    tremors Posts: 8,051
    gndcd402 wrote:
    justam wrote:
    Ed sings better now than he did when he was younger
    i'm not even going to get into just how wrong this statement is...

    Release 1992 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fClv6_CXfgw
    Release 2010 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0oZWKeaBwM
    Garden 1992 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7XpU3IWQg0
    Garden 2010 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux1P3EVT8XQ
    Black 1992 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxKUN1R6vdw
    Black 2010 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QthBGz9Km4A
    Porch 1992 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTFEjTe4NQo
    Porch 2010 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k0OqE-6Bow


    I don't know how anybody could possibly listen to Walk with Me and Dancing Barefoot from the last Bridge school, and think that Eddie is not at least as good a singer as he ever was, if not better - with a far deeper emotional range. When I watched and then listened to those songs it only confirmed my view that Eddie is the best singer alive today, by a country mile in my opinion - he has reached a level which very few other vocalists have ever reached. Into the Wild is another outstanding example of how good his singing has become in his later years.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    I don't know how anybody could possibly listen to Walk with Me and Dancing Barefoot from the last Bridge school, and think that Eddie is not at least as good a singer as he ever was, if not better - with a far deeper emotional range. When I watched and then listened to those songs it only confirmed my view that Eddie is the best singer alive today, by a country mile in my opinion - he has reached a level which very few other vocalists have ever reached. Into the Wild is another outstanding example of how good his singing has become in his later years.
    On slower stuff he's great. And I don't have a problem with how he sings the Pj songs nowadays. But listen to the Melbourne 1995 boot and you sort of miss the anger/power in the singing. Now it feels safe in many songs, Corduroy for example. Than it fel like he gave everything in every song. But obviously I can understand that it's not something he can do for 25-30 songs nowadays. But still. The slower tempo and the anger/power from that era beats out modern day Eddie on _some_ songs.
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  • tremors
    tremors Posts: 8,051
    Spiritual_Chaos wrote:
    I don't know how anybody could possibly listen to Walk with Me and Dancing Barefoot from the last Bridge school, and think that Eddie is not at least as good a singer as he ever was, if not better - with a far deeper emotional range. When I watched and then listened to those songs it only confirmed my view that Eddie is the best singer alive today, by a country mile in my opinion - he has reached a level which very few other vocalists have ever reached. Into the Wild is another outstanding example of how good his singing has become in his later years.
    On slower stuff he's great. And I don't have a problem with how he sings the Pj songs nowadays. But listen to the Melbourne 1995 boot and you sort of miss the anger/power in the singing. Now it feels safe in many songs, Corduroy for example. Than it fel like he gave everything in every song. But obviously I can understand that it's not something he can do for 25-30 songs nowadays. But still. The slower tempo and the anger/power from that era beats out modern day Eddie on _some_ songs.


    It's true his voice has changed, and the power of the early years was the big attraction. When I first heard the song 'Against the 70s' on the Mike Watt album at the time I was really disappointed that it didn't have the 'operatic' quality that I associated with his voice. I listened to it the other day and I loved it. I have listened to a lot more punk rock since then, so could appreciate more what he was trying to do with the vocals.

    I think a lot of the early songs were written for being sung in the operatic style he was famous for - and I'm sure he couldn't recreate that sound very easily today. His voice still has massive range and depth though which you can hear especially on the studio work. I do think he is a bit bored with some of the songs, like evenflow - it is hard to squeeze the same feeling into a song after so many times of playing, and it becomes more of a showcase for the rest of the band. A few of the early songs I do feel Ed can almost get hypnotised these days, and he is just going through the motions.

    What Dancing Barefoot and Walk with Me were a reminder of though is just how skilled a singer Eddie is, in arranging things and singing them in a way which generates a hell of a lot of feeling.

    The fast songs have a more punky style these days.

    The vocals on Public Image on the new LOXL for example - as good as anything he has done! Fast, menacing, growling, punky, vitriolic. What a vocalist. Outstanding vocals on fast LOXL songs also on STBC, SOLAT, and dark twisted but more subtle on RVM
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  • dimitrispearljam
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    true...the only exepotion is lisbon 10..they play slow the songs.. :)
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  • Leezestarr313
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    tremors wrote:
    Cool.

    I have lost about 5 years from my original join date I think, but no idea why. I never understand what those scores on the right really mean, because mine is so messed up.

    No, May 21st is a good date! 8-)
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  • tremors
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    Leeze wrote:
    tremors wrote:
    Cool.

    I have lost about 5 years from my original join date I think, but no idea why. I never understand what those scores on the right really mean, because mine is so messed up.

    No, May 21st is a good date! 8-)


    Yeah the birthdays of two of my favourite women! ;)

    I think I missed a number of months back then with my 10C membership lapsing, and because in England we never seem to get 'seniority' it didn't seem too big a deal at the time I rejoined to make a fuss about it. God knows how long I wasn't a member, can't remember - maybe 6 months. I think I first joined in either 1999 or 2000 - I certainly had Ten Club tickets for London 2000. I never know though whether that date is when you signed up for the board or the ten club. I've had a few gaps with both
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  • Leezestarr313
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    tremors wrote:
    Yeah the birthdays of two of my favourite women! ;)

    Awwww!
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  • Black Diamond
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    Leeze wrote:
    tremors wrote:
    Cool.

    I have lost about 5 years from my original join date I think, but no idea why. I never understand what those scores on the right really mean, because mine is so messed up.

    No, May 21st is a good date! 8-)
    And the date of MSG II this past year :mrgreen:
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  • tremors
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    Black Diamond wrote:
    Leeze wrote:
    tremors wrote:
    Cool.

    I have lost about 5 years from my original join date I think, but no idea why. I never understand what those scores on the right really mean, because mine is so messed up.

    No, May 21st is a good date! 8-)
    And the date of MSG II this past year :mrgreen:


    Yeah that's true too! What a show.
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  • Leezestarr313
    Leezestarr313 Temple of the cat Posts: 14,444
    Yes to both of you! I bought the boot because it's my birthday and I never regretted it. No song too fast :D
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  • tremors
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    Leeze wrote:
    Yes to both of you! I bought the boot because it's my birthday and I never regretted it. No song too fast :D

    I heard that again when they played it on Sirius radio during some anniversary celebrations. An epic show all over again!
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  • nocode85
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    This is something thats always kinda bothered me about certain songs. I totally agree with the assertions that evenflow, given to fly and corduroy are usually always way too fast. They just lack feeling when played like that. One thing I've always kinda disliked is Yellow Ledbetter. Always sounds great live but it seems to have almost taken on a different sound altogether. I love when I'm listening to PJ radio and a version comes on from '93. It sounds so much more bluesy and closer to the studio version. Like I said, I love the way it sounds when they play it live but sometimes it would be nice to hear it more bluesy.
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  • gecko
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    facepollution wrote:
    Yeah it can be pretty annoying on certain songs. Given To Fly is the worst example, that song used to have an incredible groove and it kept building up until it broke into an amazing towering chorus. The way they play it now it feels totally throw-away.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlcB5vEoP_0 this is how it's supposed to sound.

    I gave up on Even Flow long ago, it's always my pee break/bar run song now - you can guarantee it's going to be played at break-neck speed, and it goes on for like ten minutes.

    Now that SVT is mentioned - I feel the same way about 'In Hiding'. Makes me sad.

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