** TEN CLUB ANALOG AND DIGITAL MEMBERSHIPS **
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Paul Andrews wrote:The thing is, your $20 covers
Cost of running this website
Cost of running the 10 Club
Cost of employing 10 Club staff
Cost of administering your membership
Cost of creating the content in the newsletter
Cost of creating the mp3 download
etc etc etc
I can see where $20 goes and like any business, I'm sure the 10 club needs to stay in the black and a user pays option is best. It is open to debate if people feel the service or quality of pruduct is not up to scratch, but i think this is a different issue and I've never had reason to complain - but I know some feel they do and have no comment on the validity of these complaints.
It is a shame that $20 will not get a vinyl. Maybe a compramise can be reached where the single is offered and sold to digital members at cost plus shipping. They could manage this by taking presale orders then they would know exacltly how many they need to produce and package with no left overs.
Like I said, I can fully understand that they may have needed to raise prices, and can also understand the cost of running the ten club. But to me for my $20 I feel they are not offering me anything close to $20 worth of value and nothing you or anyone can say will make me change my mind. I don't see value in it, but like I said above others might.condescending and sarcastic since 19800 -
Let's look at what the Digital Membership offers:
Full website access and PJ Radio
That shit should be free anyway. Remember when it actually WAS free to post on here? I know costs go up just like anything but I'm sure people could post on here for free and PJ would stay out of the poorhouse. PJ Radio? That's cool but Iet's face it, who really needs that? Most of us already have PJs music in one form or another plus there is youtube, myspace, aol radio, etc etc etc.
Holiday Single MP3 and Deep PDF
These are essentially a couple of quick, easy e-mails for 10c to send out once they get the files ready. Not a big deal. (Personally, I'd rather have the real thing, the MP3 and PDF seem like watered down versions and not as heartfelt and special like it should be.)
Members-only Contest Eligibility
Cool, but not everyone cares. I've never entered a contest and don't really feel that I should have to pay for the chance to do so.
Members-only Merch Discount Events, Access to Members-only Merch, Access to Fan Club only Ticket pre-sales
Okay, let's think about this one...merch discount events and members only merch....how do you get merch? You pay for it. How do you get concert tickets? You pay for 'em. So really, if you think about it....by having/listing these things as membership benefits, it's really laughable because you are literally paying money for the chance to pay more money.
The Analog membership is literally the exact same benefits as the Digital, with the addition of the hard copy of Deep, hard copy of single, bootleg download and t-shirt.
Personally, I don't care about the bootleg (I already have too many) or the shirt (I already have too many)...all I want is the hard copy of Deep and the actual single but I just can't have that without paying double now, can I?
It is disappointing and a shame really. Say what you will, defend the band and the club all you want, cite reasons like rising costs, etc. It doesn't matter. I'm sure PJ/10c have enough funds that they could continue to send out Deep and the single. Hell, it's really not much work to send that stuff out 1-2 times a year. Gimme a break.
Having said all this, I still love the band and the music and I will continue to be a fan. I will also get the next Deep and single as I renewed before this announcement but I am not looking forward to having to make a decision in a year. I would like to give the band and the club the benefit of the doubt and I will say that I can only hope that they somehow remedy this situation. There is still time.Post edited by Music For Rhinos on0 -
its just a membership to a fan club of a rock band...omg...you guys put details like contracts,lawyers,how much cost this,hard copy,not hard copy..
i see in the end there will be a union of 10c members and do demostrations about the bad boss,the 10c.
its not our life-health insurance that double price,noon fre us from our work..isnt the prices went double in super market!!!..i doubt if someone do so much complains if one of the above change tomorrow morning."...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
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Hip Priestah wrote:mikesbri wrote:anyone having problems checking out there profile and seeing when there membership expires? Ive tried to even purchase the analog international membership and says something about being restricted.
I'm having that trouble too, tried just now. Phew, glad it's not only me then!
I got the same thing day's ago so I sent them an email. Got a reply back which they fixed everything.
Only thing I'm waiting for now is a reply back on any new's or word about changing shipper carriers when shipping Pearl Jam goodies to Canada. The 6 to 8 week wait time needs to be fixed for 2011.0 -
Music for Rhinos, I completely agree with the things you say (except that I don't need the DEEP magazins at all).Music For Rhinos wrote:Let's look at what the Digital Membership offers:
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And I hope 10-C hears these voices, and maybe offers another tier for the big number of members who are unsatisfied by this new system since they have to pay double nor for what they got before.
When reading the stuff fans write here, you can see that a large group is happy with these changes.
But there also is a large group that thinks these changes are not right.
For those people, 10-C could either be ignorant (like some people here) and say that they can leave if they don't like it.
Or:
10-C could try to work on this situation and offer something to these fans.
These fans want the same things they always got, without the Shirt and Bootleg download. And they have no problem to pay more money for this, since they know that prices go up. But they don't want to pay double the price.
I really think 10-C should go for a compromise.
Because in the end, there is one thing we all have in common here:
We love the band and their music!0 -
William Wallace wrote:Because in the end, there is one thing we all have in common here:
We love the band and their music!
Except the arseholes...
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Paul Andrews wrote:William Wallace wrote:Because in the end, there is one thing we all have in common here:
We love the band and their music!
Except the arseholes... "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”0 -
dimitrispearljam wrote:Paul Andrews wrote:William Wallace wrote:Because in the end, there is one thing we all have in common here:
We love the band and their music!
Except the arseholes...
Beautifully said
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Come on, don't exclude yourself!Paul Andrews wrote:William Wallace wrote:Because in the end, there is one thing we all have in common here:
We love the band and their music!
Except the arseholes...
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Will the thsirt be a Pearl Jam shirt or a 10club shirt?"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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Paul Andrews wrote:The thing is, your $20 covers
Cost of running this website
Cost of running the 10 Club
Cost of employing 10 Club staff
Cost of administering your membership
Cost of creating the content in the newsletter
Cost of creating the mp3 download
etc etc etc
Our $90 per ticket prices can't go towards any of that? I wonder if they realize that without the ardent supporters here, they wouldn't sell out 90% of their shows. Outside of us, the band is hardly relevant anymore. I am very lucky to be in Philly where they are still in heavy rotation on the radio and shows sell well but how many markets can say that? MSG is a guaranteed sellout but there wasn't enough support for a second Boston show last time around. Boston used to be automatic for multiple shows. None of the midwest shows were sold out were they? I understand and sympathize with those in the South and all over the world really but there unfortunately isn't enough support because they insist on doing arenas for some reason.
Basically what I am getting at is, they aren't starving and it's clear they put next to none of their own profits into this club. They charge us to buy tickets directly from them when it could be free. Obviously they aren't the only band doing that but that doesn't give them a free pass. I was fine with the $20 for a vinyl and tickets and magazine but they suddenly need more money for those things when they weren't consistently providing them in the first place. How about the band put some money into it instead of hitting us up for more money? We are their bread and butter.0 -
Your observation is 100% right!hopethatuchoke wrote:Our $90 per ticket prices can't go towards any of that? I wonder if they realize that without the ardent supporters here, they wouldn't sell out 90% of their shows. Outside of us, the band is hardly relevant anymore. I am very lucky to be in Philly where they are still in heavy rotation on the radio and shows sell well but how many markets can say that? MSG is a guaranteed sellout but there wasn't enough support for a second Boston show last time around. Boston used to be automatic for multiple shows. None of the midwest shows were sold out were they? I understand and sympathize with those in the South and all over the world really but there unfortunately isn't enough support because they insist on doing arenas for some reason.
Pearl Jam doesn't sell out most arenas any more.
They sell out NY, Chicago, Philly, Boston and some other major cities. But even there, they sometimes don't sell out two shows in a row anymore.
They left huge spots in the US alone by not touring there for years, and lost a big part of their fanbase there because they were disappointed.
Plus the ticket prices went up in regions not everybody wants to / or can pay.
So the demand isn't as high as it was 10 years ago anymore.
I really hope they'll do a proper US tour in the near future, where they tour places all over the country. I hope it for the fans there.
Instead of 15,000 arenas, they can play in 8,000 arenas, this would fit the demand in most smaler markets.0 -
hopethatuchoke wrote:Paul Andrews wrote:The thing is, your $20 covers
Cost of running this website
Cost of running the 10 Club
Cost of employing 10 Club staff
Cost of administering your membership
Cost of creating the content in the newsletter
Cost of creating the mp3 download
etc etc etc
Our $90 per ticket prices can't go towards any of that? I wonder if they realize that without the ardent supporters here, they wouldn't sell out 90% of their shows. Outside of us, the band is hardly relevant anymore. I am very lucky to be in Philly where they are still in heavy rotation on the radio and shows sell well but how many markets can say that? MSG is a guaranteed sellout but there wasn't enough support for a second Boston show last time around. Boston used to be automatic for multiple shows. None of the midwest shows were sold out were they? I understand and sympathize with those in the South and all over the world really but there unfortunately isn't enough support because they insist on doing arenas for some reason.
Basically what I am getting at is, they aren't starving and it's clear they put next to none of their own profits into this club. They charge us to buy tickets directly from them when it could be free. Obviously they aren't the only band doing that but that doesn't give them a free pass. I was fine with the $20 for a vinyl and tickets and magazine but they suddenly need more money for those things when they weren't consistently providing them in the first place. How about the band put some money into it instead of hitting us up for more money? We are their bread and butter.
The only reason that Boston didn't get a second show in May was because the Celtics were in the playoffs and the concert was at the TD Garden where the Celtics play. The show was completely sold out and it was in fact the best show of the tour...crowd wise and set list wise. (I was also at both MSG shows, Newark & Hartford). They could sell out 3 nights in a row in Boston.8/29/00, 7/3/03, 5/24/06,6/28/08 & 6/30/08, 10/9/09,10/28/09, 10/30/09 & 10/31/09, 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10 & 5/21/10, 10/23/10 & 10/24/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 9/11/11, 9/12/11, 9/23/11, 9/22/12, 9/30/12, 7/16/13, 7/19/130 -
hopethatuchoke wrote:Paul Andrews wrote:The thing is, your $20 covers
Cost of running this website
Cost of running the 10 Club
Cost of employing 10 Club staff
Cost of administering your membership
Cost of creating the content in the newsletter
Cost of creating the mp3 download
etc etc etc
Our $90 per ticket prices can't go towards any of that? I wonder if they realize that without the ardent supporters here, they wouldn't sell out 90% of their shows. Outside of us, the band is hardly relevant anymore. I am very lucky to be in Philly where they are still in heavy rotation on the radio and shows sell well but how many markets can say that? MSG is a guaranteed sellout but there wasn't enough support for a second Boston show last time around. Boston used to be automatic for multiple shows. None of the midwest shows were sold out were they? I understand and sympathize with those in the South and all over the world really but there unfortunately isn't enough support because they insist on doing arenas for some reason.
Basically what I am getting at is, they aren't starving and it's clear they put next to none of their own profits into this club. They charge us to buy tickets directly from them when it could be free. Obviously they aren't the only band doing that but that doesn't give them a free pass. I was fine with the $20 for a vinyl and tickets and magazine but they suddenly need more money for those things when they weren't consistently providing them in the first place. How about the band put some money into it instead of hitting us up for more money? We are their bread and butter.
hahahahahahahahaha. I think this may be the longest post ever written without having one thing in it be true.Member 164xxx
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I think you are pretty ignorant. You show it with what you say here, and you showed it before.RedMosquito22 wrote:hopethatuchoke wrote:Our $90 per ticket prices can't go towards any of that? I wonder if they realize that without the ardent supporters here, they wouldn't sell out 90% of their shows. Outside of us, the band is hardly relevant anymore. I am very lucky to be in Philly where they are still in heavy rotation on the radio and shows sell well but how many markets can say that? MSG is a guaranteed sellout but there wasn't enough support for a second Boston show last time around. Boston used to be automatic for multiple shows. None of the midwest shows were sold out were they? I understand and sympathize with those in the South and all over the world really but there unfortunately isn't enough support because they insist on doing arenas for some reason.
Basically what I am getting at is, they aren't starving and it's clear they put next to none of their own profits into this club. They charge us to buy tickets directly from them when it could be free. Obviously they aren't the only band doing that but that doesn't give them a free pass. I was fine with the $20 for a vinyl and tickets and magazine but they suddenly need more money for those things when they weren't consistently providing them in the first place. How about the band put some money into it instead of hitting us up for more money? We are their bread and butter.
hahahahahahahahaha. I think this may be the longest post ever written without having one thing in it be true.
You can't deny that there is not as much demand for Pearl Jam shows as there used to be.
You can argue about the reason for this, but you can't argue about this point.
Without huge parts of the fanbase that are willing to travel long distances for their gigs, it would be even worse.0 -
All I know is that the last 3 legs all I heard was whining from people not getting tickets to shows so the demand must still be pretty high. Another think I know is that not many American bands after 20 years are still as relevant as this band is. They will be in the Rock and Roll hall of fame. I don't care if they can't sell out 20,000 plus arenas every night.
How many other bands can sell out 4 shows at the Spectrum when that cities team is in the World Series? They didn't play multiple nights in Boston because of the NBA playoffs. At least get your facts straight before you spew your nonsense. They could easily sell out 4 straight in Boston.
They are so unpopular yet their music is played at every venue in America at sporting events, on Monday night football etc. Get a friggin' clue.
Is it coincidence that immediately after opening for Pearl Jam, Kings of Leon and My morning Jacket become big time bands?Member 164xxx
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MMJ still isn't that big in terms of commercial success... KOL got big by selling outRedMosquito22 wrote:Is it coincidence that immediately after opening for Pearl Jam, Kings of Leon and My morning Jacket become big time bands?
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I doubt being in the Rock and Roll hall of fame is the kind of relevance hopethatuchoke meant...They will be in the Rock and Roll hall of fame.
What has this to do with anything? Your personal feelings about them selling out arenas or not has what kind of relevance to the discussion?I don't care if they can't sell out 20,000 plus arenas every night.
So you are saying that it wasn't the great success of the singles Use Somebody and Sex On Fire that made KoL a "big time band" but opening for Pearl Jam..?Is it coincidence that immediately after opening for Pearl Jam, Kings of Leon and My morning Jacket become big time bands?
And in what way is MMJ a "big time band"?"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
RedMosquito22 wrote:All I know is that the last 3 legs all I heard was whining from people not getting tickets to shows so the demand must still be pretty high.
Which 3 legs would that be? I'm going to have to assume you mean US shows. Would it be the 2010 leg with a total of 13 shows for the entire country, one being a festival show and yet another being a late addition show? All in the Northeast, btw.
Would the 3 legs include the 2009 September to October US jaunt consisting of 14 shows, 4 in Pennsylvania and the rest (minus Austin City Limits) on the West coast?
Maybe you mean the 13 shows they did in 2008, again favoring the Northeast with a small bone to the Southeast.
Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is, yes, when that's all you're willing to put on the table, demand with seem high because you're shutting out a large amount of people.RedMosquito22 wrote:Another think I know is that not many American bands after 20 years are still as relevant as this band is. They will be in the Rock and Roll hall of fame. I don't care if they can't sell out 20,000 plus arenas every night.
Someone already answered this for you in another thread with a nice chunky list of American bands that are definitely more revelant in sales figures.RedMosquito22 wrote:How many other bands can sell out 4 shows at the Spectrum when that cities team is in the World Series?
Weren't all sellouts - Tuesday night especially. And again, when all you're going to play is 4 shows in a highly populated area such as the Northeast, you will sell those shows out. Pearl Jam aren't the only ones that can do this.RedMosquito22 wrote:They didn't play multiple nights in Boston because of the NBA playoffs. At least get your facts straight before you spew your nonsense.
Pot, meet kettle.RedMosquito22 wrote:They could easily sell out 4 straight in Boston.
They are so unpopular yet their music is played at every venue in America at sporting events, on Monday night football etc. Get a friggin' clue.
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Pearl Jam still are a popular band, but their appeal certainly decreased over the last decade.RedMosquito22 wrote:Another think I know is that not many American bands after 20 years are still as relevant as this band is. They will be in the Rock and Roll hall of fame. I don't care if they can't sell out 20,000 plus arenas every night.
Is it coincidence that immediately after opening for Pearl Jam, Kings of Leon and My morning Jacket become big time bands?
Still, they are one of the most respected rock bands around. They influenced other bands. And they certainly deserve to be well respected!
You can't be serious about KoL?
KoL were as successful now if they didn't open for PJ. They had huge singles that made them the #1 Rockband worldwide over night.
KoL were surely influenced by PJ during their development, that's right.0
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