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polaris_x wrote:every other team is just a farm team for the big guns in free agency ... if money is going to determine where someone goes - then it's pretty obvious that there are only a few teams in the mix ...
i don't have a stat but it would be interesting to see the gap in payroll over the years ...
mlb has the worst parity of any of the 4 major sports ...
dude. dude.... he left 30 million dollars on the table to come to a team and a city he loves and knows has a chance to win. how is money the ultimate determining factor here? would you rather him left 90 million on the table?
parity...give me a break. every sport has parity except the nba. the rangers and giants just played in the world series. your blue jays won 2 titles back in the 90's. give it a rest man.www.myspace.com0 -
Johnny Abruzzo wrote:polaris_x wrote:mlb has the worst parity of any of the 4 major sports ...
That's complete bullshit. The Lakers win about 3/5 of all Western Conference titles. The Patriots have about a .700 winning pct. the past decade. Meanwhile, the Giants, Rangers, Rays and Rockies have been in the World Series recently. And the Phillies were baseball's biggest joke until 2007.
regarding the patriots---you aren't insinuating that the nfl doesn't have parity do you? that is nuts. parity defines that league right now. i believe more teams have played in a super bowl than played in a world series the last decade---or its at least even. either way, other than the nba, yeah every league has parity.www.myspace.com0 -
Johnny Abruzzo wrote:That's complete bullshit. The Lakers win about 3/5 of all Western Conference titles. The Patriots have about a .700 winning pct. the past decade. Meanwhile, the Giants, Rangers, Rays and Rockies have been in the World Series recently. And the Phillies were baseball's biggest joke until 2007.
the nba is probably the second worst ... the nfl has a salary cap and revenue sharing ... it's why teams like green bay can compete ... if a tier 1 free agent comes out - he isn't necessarily gonna be going to one of 4 or 5 teams ...
ya ... teams can put together a 1-2 year run maybe but then they are back to square one ... where will the rays be next year? ... where were the rockies? ...
the reality is the only good thing is that there are 6 divisions in mlb and the big guns are concentrated in 2 of them ...
on another note ... the pau gasol "trade" is what is putting the lakers in the position they've been ...0 -
The Jeagler wrote:dude. dude.... he left 30 million dollars on the table to come to a team and a city he loves and knows has a chance to win. how is money the ultimate determining factor here? would you rather him left 90 million on the table?
parity...give me a break. every sport has parity except the nba. the rangers and giants just played in the world series. your blue jays won 2 titles back in the 90's. give it a rest man.
he left total dollars on the table but his deal is also for less years ... but yeah, he left money on the table to win ... which is partly my point ...
the fact remains that for your tier 1 free agents - there are only a handful of teams that can afford to sign them ... that is not the sign of parity ... at least in the nba ... if you clear cap room - you can sign free agents ...
again - the one thing going for the mlb is that there are some weak divisions with no big market teams so, there will always be a small-mid market team in the playoffs ...0 -
polaris_x wrote:Johnny Abruzzo wrote:That's complete bullshit. The Lakers win about 3/5 of all Western Conference titles. The Patriots have about a .700 winning pct. the past decade. Meanwhile, the Giants, Rangers, Rays and Rockies have been in the World Series recently. And the Phillies were baseball's biggest joke until 2007.
the nba is probably the second worst ... the nfl has a salary cap and revenue sharing ... it's why teams like green bay can compete ... if a tier 1 free agent comes out - he isn't necessarily gonna be going to one of 4 or 5 teams ...
ya ... teams can put together a 1-2 year run maybe but then they are back to square one ... where will the rays be next year? ... where were the rockies? ...
the reality is the only good thing is that there are 6 divisions in mlb and the big guns are concentrated in 2 of them ...
on another note ... the pau gasol "trade" is what is putting the lakers in the position they've been ...
the nfl has no salary cap right now.
the rays just went on a great 3 year run, including a trip to the world series. the rockies have competed for the playoffs for the past few years. they were in the series just a few years ago.
considering all the teams that have competed for championships in the other major leagues compared to the small amount in the nba, i don't see how you can make this argument.www.myspace.com0 -
polaris_x wrote:Johnny Abruzzo wrote:That's complete bullshit. The Lakers win about 3/5 of all Western Conference titles. The Patriots have about a .700 winning pct. the past decade. Meanwhile, the Giants, Rangers, Rays and Rockies have been in the World Series recently. And the Phillies were baseball's biggest joke until 2007.
the nba is probably the second worst ... the nfl has a salary cap and revenue sharing ... it's why teams like green bay can compete ... if a tier 1 free agent comes out - he isn't necessarily gonna be going to one of 4 or 5 teams ...
ya ... teams can put together a 1-2 year run maybe but then they are back to square one ... where will the rays be next year? ... where were the rockies? ...
the reality is the only good thing is that there are 6 divisions in mlb and the big guns are concentrated in 2 of them ...
on another note ... the pau gasol "trade" is what is putting the lakers in the position they've been ...
I'm sure you didn't mind when the Blue Jays built the Skydome and had the highest payroll in baseball, buying up a murderer's row lineup that would terrify the 2009 Yankees.Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; Phila, PA 10/21/13; Phila, PA 10/22/13; Baltimore Arena 10/27/13; Phila, PA 4/28/16; Phila, PA 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; Phila, PA 9/7/24; Phila, PA 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24; Pittsburgh 5/16/25; Pittsburgh 5/18/25
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The Jeagler wrote:the nfl has no salary cap right now.
the rays just went on a great 3 year run, including a trip to the world series. the rockies have competed for the playoffs for the past few years. they were in the series just a few years ago.
considering all the teams that have competed for championships in the other major leagues compared to the small amount in the nba, i don't see how you can make this argument.
it's only because they opted out ... it's a one-season thing ... the new cba will have a salary cap
and now the rays are done, the rockies are likely done ... the phils, red sox and yanks will for the foreseeable future be in post-season contention every year ...
as for the nba, there are many factors at play ... 1. you are looking at a sport that requires like 8-9 guys to succeed ... it's much easier to concentrate talent ... 2. take the gasol trade out of the equation and the lakers would not be where they are ... 3. there are at least 8 teams that have nba finals potential in the association right now ...
and again - no one seems to be commenting on the fact that all the tier 1 free agents are going to the same teams ...0 -
Johnny Abruzzo wrote:I'm sure you didn't mind when the Blue Jays built the Skydome and had the highest payroll in baseball, buying up a murderer's row lineup that would terrify the 2009 Yankees.
dude ... i would say exactly the same thing ... i'm a socialist! ... hahaha ...
i believe sports is about competition and teamwork ...
listen - like i said, i'm happy for you phillies fans ... but you can't tell me that the concentration of talent and the ability to buy that talent to a handful of teams is good for the league ...
yeah - red sox, yankees and phils are sold out ... but what about teams like kansas city, the brewers? ... a healthy league is one in which all teams can compete ...0 -
polaris_x wrote:it's only because they opted out ... it's a one-season thing ... the new cba will have a salary cap
and now the rays are done, the rockies are likely done ... the phils, red sox and yanks will for the foreseeable future be in post-season contention every year ...
as for the nba, there are many factors at play ... 1. you are looking at a sport that requires like 8-9 guys to succeed ... it's much easier to concentrate talent ... 2. take the gasol trade out of the equation and the lakers would not be where they are ... 3. there are at least 8 teams that have nba finals potential in the association right now ...
and again - no one seems to be commenting on the fact that all the tier 1 free agents are going to the same teams ...
You will just continue to make arguments even if they are wrong.
Rockies aren't done; they just faded in the last week of the year, and the NL West still sucks, even with the Giants fluky title.
Um, Tier 1 free agent Jayson Werth signed with the lowly Washington Nationals.
The Rays are still stacked in the rotation and lineup, and have a great prospect waiting to replace Crawford. They lost Pena, but he sucked last year anyway. They could definitely compete with the pitching-challenged Yankees next year. Besides, their real problem is nobody shows up to their games, even with a great team.
And, oh yeah, Qatar is still a stupid place to have the World Cup.
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polaris_x wrote:every other team is just a farm team for the big guns in free agency ... if money is going to determine where someone goes - then it's pretty obvious that there are only a few teams in the mix ...
i don't have a stat but it would be interesting to see the gap in payroll over the years ...
mlb has the worst parity of any of the 4 major sports ...
higher payroll doesn't equate to success (see mets, dodgers, cubs)
baseball has more parity than any of the major sports leagues. just look at the champions over the last 10-15 years.0 -
polaris_x wrote:The Jeagler wrote:dude. dude.... he left 30 million dollars on the table to come to a team and a city he loves and knows has a chance to win. how is money the ultimate determining factor here? would you rather him left 90 million on the table?
parity...give me a break. every sport has parity except the nba. the rangers and giants just played in the world series. your blue jays won 2 titles back in the 90's. give it a rest man.
he left total dollars on the table but his deal is also for less years ... but yeah, he left money on the table to win ... which is partly my point ...
the fact remains that for your tier 1 free agents - there are only a handful of teams that can afford to sign them ... that is not the sign of parity ... at least in the nba ... if you clear cap room - you can sign free agents ...
again - the one thing going for the mlb is that there are some weak divisions with no big market teams so, there will always be a small-mid market team in the playoffs ...
you know that MLB teams receive draft pick compensation when they lose free agents right?
the salary thing is a weak excuse. teams with lower payrolls can compete if they are well run.0 -
The Fixer wrote:higher payroll doesn't equate to success.
baseball has more parity than any of the major sports leagues. just look at the champions over the last 10-15 years.
no ... there are lots of other factors ...
parity is about distribution of talent ... if the top tier free agents are all going to the same few teams - how can one say baseball has the most parity ...
if baseball was split AL and NL where the top 4 teams in both leagues made the playoffs and everyone played each other the same amount of times ... we would see the same teams making the playoffs year in year out ...0 -
The Fixer wrote:you know that MLB teams receive draft pick compensation when they lose free agents right?
the salary thing is a weak excuse. teams with lower payrolls can compete if they are well run.
ya ... that's what AA is doing in toronto to try and compete ...
sure, teams with lower payrolls can compete but they have to scout well, draft well and play well ... whereas some teams just need money ...
what good is scouting, drafting a top talent only to have his peak years be spent with another team?0 -
polaris_x wrote:The Fixer wrote:higher payroll doesn't equate to success.
baseball has more parity than any of the major sports leagues. just look at the champions over the last 10-15 years.
no ... there are lots of other factors ...
parity is about distribution of talent ... if the top tier free agents are all going to the same few teams - how can one say baseball has the most parity ...
if baseball was split AL and NL where the top 4 teams in both leagues made the playoffs and everyone played each other the same amount of times ... we would see the same teams making the playoffs year in year out ...
look at how many teams have made the playoffs over the last decade. not many have NOT made the playoffs.
DC, KC, pitt, tor, balt...I'm probably missing a couple, but you get my point...there aren't many0 -
polaris_x wrote:The Fixer wrote:you know that MLB teams receive draft pick compensation when they lose free agents right?
the salary thing is a weak excuse. teams with lower payrolls can compete if they are well run.
ya ... that's what AA is doing in toronto to try and compete ...
sure, teams with lower payrolls can compete but they have to scout well, draft well and play well ... whereas some teams just need money ...
what good is scouting, drafting a top talent only to have his peak years be spent with another team?
the 'small market' teams (not sure how toronto falls into that category with that metro areas population) do need to get somewhat more creative to sustain long term success. I will agree with you there.0 -
polaris_x wrote:ya ... that's what AA is doing in toronto to try and compete ...
The Jays were poorly run by JP Ricciardi for years. Same problem Phillies had when Ed Wade was here. It takes time to overcome a poor GM.Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; Phila, PA 10/21/13; Phila, PA 10/22/13; Baltimore Arena 10/27/13; Phila, PA 4/28/16; Phila, PA 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; Phila, PA 9/7/24; Phila, PA 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24; Pittsburgh 5/16/25; Pittsburgh 5/18/25
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ok ... it's hard going against 3 guys ... hahaha
i'll leave it at these two things which i've said repeatedly but no one has addressed:
1. there are weak divisions in baseball that get automatic playoff berths, so - you will see various teams make the playoffs ...
2. parity is about distribution of talent ... if all the top tier free agents continue to go to the same teams - how is that parity?0 -
polaris_x wrote:ok ... it's hard going against 3 guys ... hahaha
i'll leave it at these two things which i've said repeatedly but no one has addressed:
1. there are weak divisions in baseball that get automatic playoff berths, so - you will see various teams make the playoffs ...
2. parity is about distribution of talent ... if all the top tier free agents continue to go to the same teams - how is that parity?
1. it's that way in every sport
2. the teams with the most talent don't always win. There was a stat this year about how the 1 seed in the NL playoffs hadn't won the pennant since the braves back in '95. If that's not the definition of parity then I don't know what is0 -
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polaris_x wrote:ok ... it's hard going against 3 guys ... hahaha
i'll leave it at these two things which i've said repeatedly but no one has addressed:
1. there are weak divisions in baseball that get automatic playoff berths, so - you will see various teams make the playoffs ...
2. parity is about distribution of talent ... if all the top tier free agents continue to go to the same teams - how is that parity?
Polaris, Let me help. Baseball is the have's and have not's and will be until they stop being afraid of the agents and big market teams and instill a salary cap. Bouncing Bud Selig out on his ass would help too.
You guys say parity exists and mention Rockies,Rays,Giants. Small market teams can win in this environment but their shelf life at the top is 2 years max maybe 3. After that the firesale begins and they start over. The Marlins have become great at this.
The big market teams have no such shelf life and can stay on top for as long as they keep dishing out the big bucks which is always. When the yankees,mets,red sox don't win it's just because the gm has made poor signings or trades.
Where was Carl Crawford rumored to go? the A's, Pirates,Brewers,Twins? Hell no, the same teams as always yankees,red sox,angels. just like Lee just like Werth etc.
You mention Werth going to the Nationals and the only reason he went there is because the Nationals had to grossly overpay to get him. The only way a small market team can get someone.
The fact is you'll be a good team as long as you have big pockets and a gm who knows which guy to spend his riches on. Many teams have no shot period.
Do you think the yankees will trade texeira to the Indians at the deadline for a prospect? nope but i can see the Indians and others doing that for the Yanks.
Baseball sucks right now. Parity my ass.0
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