Alcohol more damaging than illegal drugs-study
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LONDON - Alcohol is more dangerous than illegal drugs like heroin and crack cocaine, according to a new study.
British experts evaluated substances including alcohol, cocaine, heroin, ecstasy and marijuana, ranking them based on how destructive they are to the individual who takes them and to society as a whole.
Researchers analyzed how addictive a drug is and how it harms the human body, in addition to other criteria like environmental damage caused by the drug, its role in breaking up families and its economic costs, such as health care, social services, and prison.
Heroin, crack cocaine and methamphetamine, or crystal meth, were the most lethal to individuals. When considering their wider social effects, alcohol, heroin and crack cocaine were the deadliest. But overall, alcohol outranked all other substances, followed by heroin and crack cocaine. Marijuana, ecstasy and LSD scored far lower.
The study was paid for by Britain's Centre for Crime and Justice Studies and was published online Monday in the medical journal, Lancet.
Experts said alcohol scored so high because it is so widely used and has devastating consequences not only for drinkers but for those around them.
"Just think about what happens (with alcohol) at every football game," said Wim van den Brink, a professor of psychiatry and addiction at the University of Amsterdam. He was not linked to the study and co-authored a commentary in the Lancet.
When drunk in excess, alcohol damages nearly all organ systems. It is also connected to higher death rates and is involved in a greater percentage of crime than most other drugs, including heroin.
But experts said it would be impractical and incorrect to outlaw alcohol.
"We cannot return to the days of prohibition," said Leslie King, an adviser to the European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and one of the study's authors. "Alcohol is too embedded in our culture and it won't go away."
King said countries should target problem drinkers, not the vast majority of people who indulge in a drink or two. He said governments should consider more education programs and raising the price of alcohol so it isn't as widely available.
Experts said the study should prompt countries to reconsider how they classify drugs. For example, last year in Britain, the government increased its penalties for the possession of marijuana. One of its senior advisers, David Nutt — the lead author on the Lancet study — was fired after he criticized the British decision.
"What governments decide is illegal is not always based on science," said van den Brink. He said considerations about revenue and taxation, like those garnered from the alcohol and tobacco industries, may influence decisions about which substances to regulate or outlaw.
"Drugs that are legal cause at least as much damage, if not more, than drugs that are illicit," he said.
British experts evaluated substances including alcohol, cocaine, heroin, ecstasy and marijuana, ranking them based on how destructive they are to the individual who takes them and to society as a whole.
Researchers analyzed how addictive a drug is and how it harms the human body, in addition to other criteria like environmental damage caused by the drug, its role in breaking up families and its economic costs, such as health care, social services, and prison.
Heroin, crack cocaine and methamphetamine, or crystal meth, were the most lethal to individuals. When considering their wider social effects, alcohol, heroin and crack cocaine were the deadliest. But overall, alcohol outranked all other substances, followed by heroin and crack cocaine. Marijuana, ecstasy and LSD scored far lower.
The study was paid for by Britain's Centre for Crime and Justice Studies and was published online Monday in the medical journal, Lancet.
Experts said alcohol scored so high because it is so widely used and has devastating consequences not only for drinkers but for those around them.
"Just think about what happens (with alcohol) at every football game," said Wim van den Brink, a professor of psychiatry and addiction at the University of Amsterdam. He was not linked to the study and co-authored a commentary in the Lancet.
When drunk in excess, alcohol damages nearly all organ systems. It is also connected to higher death rates and is involved in a greater percentage of crime than most other drugs, including heroin.
But experts said it would be impractical and incorrect to outlaw alcohol.
"We cannot return to the days of prohibition," said Leslie King, an adviser to the European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and one of the study's authors. "Alcohol is too embedded in our culture and it won't go away."
King said countries should target problem drinkers, not the vast majority of people who indulge in a drink or two. He said governments should consider more education programs and raising the price of alcohol so it isn't as widely available.
Experts said the study should prompt countries to reconsider how they classify drugs. For example, last year in Britain, the government increased its penalties for the possession of marijuana. One of its senior advisers, David Nutt — the lead author on the Lancet study — was fired after he criticized the British decision.
"What governments decide is illegal is not always based on science," said van den Brink. He said considerations about revenue and taxation, like those garnered from the alcohol and tobacco industries, may influence decisions about which substances to regulate or outlaw.
"Drugs that are legal cause at least as much damage, if not more, than drugs that are illicit," he said.
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I don't understand the point to this story,seems everybody's first line of defense is "it's safer than alcohol" when talking about drugs of any sort but can you imagine heroin being legalized ? I would bet the over all effects on society would prove to be more devastating than alcohol,the reason alcohol has higher numbers of fatality's is because it's legal to sell and much easer to get I also will bet if pot is legalized the death rate associated with pot would climb significantly in auto crashes and other areas .
in my opinion we can't compare these drugs to alcohol because in the end dead is dead if it's one kid or a thousand adults,if it's your child or your friend will it matter how many people before them were hurt or killed because of drugs or alcohol ? sorry to use such extreme examples but that is what life with drugs and alcohol can easily come down to.
guess you can tell I'm not a big fan of drugs or alcohol.
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The point though, is that the problem isn't the existence of substances in themselves. The problem is that there are many people who feel the need to excessively use drugs/alcohol.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of decriminalizing heroin, crack or whatever. But when it comes to the usual and rather mild substances like pot or alcohol, I dont see the point in criminalizing the use. I'd rather it be out in the open (and regulated), than legislated away and out of sight.
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OutOfBreath wrote:The point though, is that the problem isn't the existence of substances in themselves. The problem is that there are many people who feel the need to excessively use drugs/alcohol.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favour of decriminalizing heroin, crack or whatever. But when it comes to the usual and rather mild substances like pot or alcohol, I dont see the point in criminalizing the use. I'd rather it be out in the open (and regulated), than legislated away and out of sight.
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understood.
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Godfather. wrote:....I also will bet if pot is legalized the death rate associated with pot would climb significantly in auto crashes and other areas .
Godfather.
that's ridiculous. do you really think that consumption and/or driving under the influence of pot would actually increase with decriminilization? I highly doubt it.
And the point of this story is not pro-drugs, it's anti-alcohol, and deeming alcohol a drug like any other, which it is.Gimli 1993
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and I agree with outofbreath. prohibition of substances leads to nothing more than MORE crime. Take the sales out of the wrong hands, then you take away their business.
Legalize hard drugs? Can't say I'd be for that, but decriminlizing marijuana is a good step. Don't legalize it, just make it so it's like a traffic ticket. putting pot users in jail solves NOTHING.Gimli 1993
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that scientist was drunk when he wrote that.oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.0
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Paul David wrote:and I agree with outofbreath. prohibition of substances leads to nothing more than MORE crime. Take the sales out of the wrong hands, then you take away their business.
Legalize hard drugs? Can't say I'd be for that, but decriminlizing marijuana is a good step. Don't legalize it, just make it so it's like a traffic ticket. putting pot users in jail solves NOTHING.
Agreed.
Recently heard policemen saying to the person they just arrested for drug possession (pot) that the big deal is not that they actually use it, rather that they fund the criminal organizations importing and selling it.... Well, if THAT is the problem, guess we already know how to solve it ....0 -
Paul David wrote:Godfather. wrote:....I also will bet if pot is legalized the death rate associated with pot would climb significantly in auto crashes and other areas .
Godfather.
that's ridiculous. do you really think that consumption and/or driving under the influence of pot would actually increase with decriminilization? I highly doubt it.
And the point of this story is not pro-drugs, it's anti-alcohol, and deeming alcohol a drug like any other, which it is.
'that's ridiculous. do you really think that consumption and/or driving under the influence of pot would actually increase with decriminilization? I highly doubt it.'
I believe so, I wonder what the death rate in car accident was during Prohibition then after ?
and I agree alcohol is a drug but it's always the back stop for other drugs, just gets old,,how many times is that statement going to be used ?
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Paul David wrote:
When drunk in excess, alcohol damages nearly all organ systems. It is also connected to higher death rates and is involved in a greater percentage of crime than most other drugs, including heroin.
This line in the story kind of bugged me. I mean of course alcohol when drunk in excess is dangerous. But when alcohol is drunk in moderation it actually has health benefits. On the other hand is it even possible to do heroin or crack in moderation, and if it was would there be any health benefits?0 -
that is a great point. It is possible to do heroin, meth, and crack in moderation, but I don't think it is probable.
Having said that, I say legalize it all, I could care less if someone wants to destroy their own lifethat’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
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Unless they run over you in their car...mikepegg44 wrote:that is a great point. It is possible to do heroin, meth, and crack in moderation, but I don't think it is probable.
Having said that, I say legalize it all, I could care less if someone wants to destroy their own life
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Black Diamond wrote:
Unless they run over you in their car...mikepegg44 wrote:that is a great point. It is possible to do heroin, meth, and crack in moderation, but I don't think it is probable.
Having said that, I say legalize it all, I could care less if someone wants to destroy their own life
or a loved one.
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I do love my Godfather...Godfather. wrote:Black Diamond wrote:
Unless they run over you in their car...mikepegg44 wrote:that is a great point. It is possible to do heroin, meth, and crack in moderation, but I don't think it is probable.
Having said that, I say legalize it all, I could care less if someone wants to destroy their own life
or a loved one.
Godfather.
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Black Diamond wrote:
Unless they run over you in their car...mikepegg44 wrote:that is a great point. It is possible to do heroin, meth, and crack in moderation, but I don't think it is probable.
Having said that, I say legalize it all, I could care less if someone wants to destroy their own life
accidents happen, and legalizing heroin or not won't stop someone from hitting me with their car. They will be punished accordingly, which is why we have dui laws to begin with. They aren't just for alcohol.
I can hit someone when I take cold medicine too.that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
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Well if you go by the percentages of DWI and Vehicular Homicides post raising the drinking age to 21 in the USA, I would beg to differ.mikepegg44 wrote:Black Diamond wrote:
Unless they run over you in their car...mikepegg44 wrote:that is a great point. It is possible to do heroin, meth, and crack in moderation, but I don't think it is probable.
Having said that, I say legalize it all, I could care less if someone wants to destroy their own life
accidents happen, and legalizing heroin or not won't stop someone from hitting me with their car. They will be punished accordingly, which is why we have dui laws to begin with. They aren't just for alcohol.
I can hit someone when I take cold medicine too.
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there is a part in the article where it admits the limitations of the study, since so many more people drink booze than do all of the others combined.
I don't know if that's possible. I've never heard of anyone shooting up only on the weekend.
Kel Varnsen wrote:Paul David wrote:
When drunk in excess, alcohol damages nearly all organ systems. It is also connected to higher death rates and is involved in a greater percentage of crime than most other drugs, including heroin.
This line in the story kind of bugged me. I mean of course alcohol when drunk in excess is dangerous. But when alcohol is drunk in moderation it actually has health benefits. On the other hand is it even possible to do heroin or crack in moderation, and if it was would there be any health benefits?Gimli 1993
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I don't advocate legalizing the hard drugs, but the only thing I've seen potheads get in trouble with behind the wheel is driving like an 87 year old. 8-)Black Diamond wrote:Well if you go by the percentages of DWI and Vehicular Homicides post raising the drinking age to 21 in the USA, I would beg to differ.Gimli 1993
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