a Live 'Vs.'

tremors wrote:

Cameron4President wrote:

tremors wrote:

Yeah, they seem to have a 'spirit of fair play' policy towards these things - and I think the backspacer was hopefully cool - we weren't exactly sharing half the catalogue or anything!! I too don't want us to get into 'taking the piss' mode either - (do you say this phrase??)

Your plan sounds cool! This is what I like to see - someone who's organised!! hahaha

I will hopefully have time to listen Monday evening my time - and give my opinions that night. Don't think I'll be available until the evening though on Monday, but have different flexibility throughout the week. All will be cool!!

"we weren't exactly sharing half the catalogue or anything"

Next week will be good for me too, I am off of work the whole week and have plenty of time to mess with this project.

btw...

I have been playing the hell out of the Live Backspacer project we did. Between that and a heavy dose of the Ramones, that's all that been playing on my iPod.

Yes, I've listened to it multiple times now, and I have to say it 'rocks!'. I think we make a pretty good team - we got that one knocked out pretty sharpish, and you seemed to be able to pick out some great versions based on my feedback - so all bodes well for more projects I think!

Amen to that. :thumbup:

It just occured to me that the Mesa, AZ show from November 94 might be a decent sounding show. If you get the time check it out. I do not have a copy of that show so I will probably download it tonight from pearljambootlegs.org. I think this one could fit into our Vs. plan.

tremors wrote:

OK - will do - a lot to fit in, what with Serious PJ Radio, currently streaming MSGII 2010 - sounding LARGE!, staying up for the Bridge Setlist (maybe), and Mesa 94 - meanwhile my friends are texting me to watch Simon Cowell's X-factor in half an hour - which I do enjoy!! Think I'm gonna disconnect the phone and go into PJ hiding mode instead tho!! Thanks for putting in the time and the attention to these projects. I think it's worthwhile. Also I haven't listened to Vs era boots for ages and ages - getting a bit wistful!!..... *sigh* Pearl Jam - don't you love'em!??

I would like to be listening to that MSG show, but I am still at work, and I will be here for about 4 more hours

tremors wrote:

Cameron4President wrote:

tremors wrote:

OK - will do - a lot to fit in, what with Serious PJ Radio, currently streaming MSGII 2010 - sounding LARGE!, staying up for the Bridge Setlist (maybe), and Mesa 94 - meanwhile my friends are texting me to watch Simon Cowell's X-factor in half an hour - which I do enjoy!! Think I'm gonna disconnect the phone and go into PJ hiding mode instead tho!! Thanks for putting in the time and the attention to these projects. I think it's worthwhile. Also I haven't listened to Vs era boots for ages and ages - getting a bit wistful!!..... *sigh* Pearl Jam - don't you love'em!??

I would like to be listening to that MSG show, but I am still at work, and I will be here for about 4 more hours

I ended up buying it - possibly for the second time. I certainly haven't listened to that one for a while - if ever. My last laptop broke, and all my links expired, and then to cap it all my external HD packed in too!! I'm travelling light these days.

Actually the real reason for buying it was so that I could pause the Sirius broadcast to watch the pop idol wannabes....! It was horrible, I had to keep returning to the broadcast to gather strength!

PM sent.

Have you had a chance to listen to the Mesa boot yet? I don't leave work for about another hour, but when I get home I am going to download it.

Off thetop of my head; st. Pete isnot a soundboard but these are:
Atlanta FM 94
Las vegas 93
Gilimi manatoba 93
Shoe the shoeless show forget the city in CA 93
Netherlands FM 93

I think these are the best sounding shows from 1993, there are a few audience shows that sound pretty good, but I think this is it . . .

Rotterdam 7/16/93 (FM mixed w/ other souces for a complete show) Edit: actually this might be the audience link, damn, sorry, there is an FM broadcast (partial) of this show out there, I have it, just listened to it and its not the same as this source . . .
http://www.pearljambootlegs.org/modules ... Y&ext.html

Gilimi 8/14/93
http://www.pearljambootlegs.org/modules ... D&ext.html

MTV 9/2/93
http://www.pearljambootlegs.org/modules ... 6&ext.html

Indio, CA 11/5/93 (Shoe the Shoeless Show)
http://www.pearljambootlegs.org/modules ... D&ext.html

11/30/93 Las Vegas
http://www.pearljambootlegs.org/modules ... 4&ext.html

NorthShoreBlues wrote:

I think these are the best sounding shows from 1993, there are a few audience shows that sound pretty good, but I think this is it . . .

Rotterdam 7/16/93 (FM mixed w/ other souces for a complete show) Edit: actually this might be the audience link, damn, sorry, there is an FM broadcast (partial) of this show out there, I have it, just listened to it and its not the same as this source . . .
http://www.pearljambootlegs.org/modules ... Y&ext.html

Gilimi 8/14/93
http://www.pearljambootlegs.org/modules ... D&ext.html

MTV 9/2/93
http://www.pearljambootlegs.org/modules ... 6&ext.html

Indio, CA 11/5/93 (Shoe the Shoeless Show)
http://www.pearljambootlegs.org/modules ... D&ext.html

11/30/93 Las Vegas
http://www.pearljambootlegs.org/modules ... 4&ext.html
As for 1994 shows, well as everyone knows, nothing can beat Atlanta's sound quality, here are two more good quality performances. . .

SNL 4/16/94
http://www.pearljambootlegs.org/modules ... D&ext.html

Bridge Show 10/2/94
http://www.pearljambootlegs.org/modules ... D&ext.html

Hey NorthShoreBlues,

Thanks for all of your help. MTV, Bridge School, and SNL I will definitely consider. I love "Animal" from MTV and SNL was great too. I wasn't too impressed with the sound quality of Gilimi 8/14/93 (I listened to some of this last night after you suggested it) and I have the '93 Indio show, but I am not keen on the sound quality of that one either. I still need to check out Rotterdam 7/16/93 and see what cuts are from the FM broadcast (Thanks for the link). Las Vegas, Atlanta, and St. Pete are definitely on board.

Thanks for your suggestions and if you can think of anymore please let me know.

Ok, I don't want to let anybody down, but the best way to do this is the lazy way. This gives us the best sound quality. Last night I took all of the best quality versions of live "Vs." tracks and listened to them (about 2 1/2 hours worth), and I came to the definite conclusion that you can't beat Atlanta! So..... With a lot of editing, I believe that the following track list (See Below) is the best sounding version we will get. I think that if time permits, I can do all the editing today and have this thing ready to download tomorrow. Let me know what you think.

Track List:

Go - Atlanta 4/3/94
Animal - Las Vegas 11/30/93
Daughter - Atlanta 4/3/94
Glorified G - Atlanta 4/3/94
Dissident - Atlanta 4/3/94
W.M.A. - Atlanta 4/3/94
Blood - Atlanta 4/3/94
Rearviewmirror - Atlanta 4/3/94
Rats - Atlanta 4/3/94
Small Town - Atlanta 4/3/94
Leash - Las Vegas 11/30/93
Indifference - Atlanta 4/3/94

tremors wrote:

Cameron4President wrote:

Ok, I don't want to let anybody down, but the best way to do this is the lazy way. This gives us the best sound quality. Last night I took all of the best quality versions of live "Vs." tracks and listened to them (about 2 1/2 hours worth), and I came to the definite conclusion that you can't beat Atlanta! So..... With a lot of editing, I believe that the following track list (See Below) is the best sounding version we will get. I think that if time permits, I can do all the editing today and have this thing ready to download tomorrow. Let me know what you think.

Track List:

Go - Atlanta 4/3/94
Animal - Las Vegas 11/30/93
Daughter - Atlanta 4/3/94
Glorified G - Atlanta 4/3/94
Dissident - Atlanta 4/3/94
W.M.A. - Atlanta 4/3/94
Blood - Atlanta 4/3/94
Rearviewmirror - Atlanta 4/3/94
Rats - Atlanta 4/3/94
Small Town - Atlanta 4/3/94
Leash - Las Vegas 11/30/93
Indifference - Atlanta 4/3/94

Go for it Cam4President. Sounds a good idea to start with at least. Can we have a 'version 1', and then comment on any particular songs which stand out as maybe needing improvement? I can have more of a listen to some of the other versions as well - I thought that the St Pete's 'performances' were really good for instance- was it the sound quality issue which meant you rejected those versions? The only concern I have about just re-ordering Atlanta is that with the familiarity of the show we may just 'hear' it as a mixed up Atlanta, rather than a live Vs

We can definitely start off with a version 1. I want people to download it, give it a listen, and then suggest improvements, plus with this one I figure that we will have a regular version consisting of the album tracks and a version with bonus tracks such as covers.

As for St. Pete, I love that show and it has some killer performances, but if you listen to it right next to Atlanta, then St. Pete's audio just doesn't match up quality wise. It's a big difference in sound.

I understand the concern that people may have with a "mixed up" Atlanta disc. I believe that when it is put together and edited, it won't sound like that. The cool thing is that if it does end up sounding like a Atlanta mix up, then we can replace some of those ATL songs with Vegas or another town.

This has been fun so far listening to Vs. era live material. I already have edited three songs including the end of "Daughter" which has the dedication before "Go".

EDIT: Three bonus tracks that have to be on the final version are "Angel" from '92 Bridge, "Rockin' in the Free World" from MTV, and Sonic Reducer from ???

tremors wrote:

Sounds like we're on track again! Thanks for doing this.

How about this for an idea, which you can reject if it will be a headache and you don't have the time:

we widen the show selection to ALL soundboard shows up to the start of the 2000 tour. This looks like one of your specialist areas, from your blog- and the original idea for the vs only shows was to limit our choices to something manageable, at which we have proved
A bit too successful!

What do you think? Say no if a headache, but yes if you think it would be rewarding

I would have to say yes and no to your idea. I think we could either do this in conjunction with what we are doing (ex. Disc 1 93/94 Vs. and Disc 2 2000 Vs.) or we could do this as another project. I personally like your first idea of taking only tracks from Vs. era concerts the best. The reason being is that the Vs. album was a youthful, straight-forward, loud, balls to the wall album which in my opinion is best captured during their earlier years when they were younger. Although they are a better band today, I think that these songs sound best when they were unpolished. Besides, say what you will about Dave A., but I think that he best suits this era. I believe that Matt is a better drummer, but Dave A. fits this sound better.

I definitely would say no to replacing idea 1 with taking songs from 2000 SB boots, because I am almost finished with Version 1 (our "Rough Draft") and it will be ready for the public to download and make their suggestions for improvement, tomorrow around 9:00am EST (2:00pm UK time)