Very interesting thread that I started about the WM3 case

covered in bliss wrote:

tremors, you make interesting points.

Something you've never touched on, and something that means a lot in this case, is the fact that some people with mental disabilities have a really hard time lying. Their truth is there. They might get the time of day wrong, and other 'facts' that aren't important to them at the time... their 'reality' is what they say it is..

Misskelley's statement seems to be consistent in areas that a person with his mentality capability couldn't fake or make up.

That is the only thing that worries me...

thankyou for the reply covered in bliss, and its tone. I'm finding it difficult to know how to approach this topic - so I've decided say a bit more about 'me' and my work- On the one hand I am unfamiliar with the fine details of this case, and trying not to get too drawn in at the moment - I need my own sleep! On the other hand these and similar issues have been a large part of my life and work for the past 15 years, and my current job involves writing on such matters - theory, policy, good practice - at the regional and national (government) levels here in the UK - helping to inform the debate, 'the powers that be' and the academics working on issues such as supporting vulnerable young people, improving mental health services for young people, 'translating' betweeen government policy and mental health service users, looking at the links and distinctions between mental health and learning disabilities, youth homelessness, youth offending, youth unemployment..... these sort of theoretical & policy issues affecting local and national governments today. But back on the other hand, this is mainly a low key 'leisure' internet forum, where it would be inappropriate for me to write as rigorously or convincingly as I have do for work - so I often hold my tongue here, since I'm personally not sure I have the stamina and resilience to get into drawn-out arguments or discussions (or want to fall out) with others on this board. In the past here I have not proven too good at the 'reasoned debate' threads! Also, during the past 15 years I have had my own issues to deal with and problems to resolve - as referenced in another long thread of mine recently. It is my own life experience, coupled with my professional experience and my academic background which have been the basis for the job I have now - but I'm unsure of a) how useful it would be for me to keep writing here in more like 'work' mode, and b) whether it will just antagonise or alienate other pearl jam fans who don't know me, when I'm trying to make friends and enjoy myself here.

So this is a long thing about me and my own dilemmas- but my conclusion is - I will probably post from time to time on this case, and I will try and get as much up to date with the detail as I can; but it may be infrequently on this topic, and I'm not yet sure what balance of 'formal' or informal writing style to use. If anyone has some curiosity and wants to know what I have done, what relevant issues I have researched and written about, or what I think on a particular point, then I will try and respond. (I will reflect on the questions you have asked). But if people are not curious, and have their own minds made up - then I will probably step back unless I see something which is really out of step with the stuff that I do know well.

So, again, thanks for being civil and entirely comprehensible!! I will look into the issues you raise more closely, but probably not respond on this topic for a while yet.

t

tremors wrote:

covered in bliss wrote:

tremors, you make interesting points.

Something you've never touched on, and something that means a lot in this case, is the fact that some people with mental disabilities have a really hard time lying. Their truth is there. They might get the time of day wrong, and other 'facts' that aren't important to them at the time... their 'reality' is what they say it is..

Misskelley's statement seems to be consistent in areas that a person with his mentality capability couldn't fake or make up.

That is the only thing that worries me...

thankyou for the reply covered in bliss, and its tone. I'm finding it difficult to know how to approach this topic - so I've decided say a bit more about 'me' and my work- On the one hand I am unfamiliar with the fine details of this case, and trying not to get too drawn in at the moment - I need my own sleep! On the other hand these and similar issues have been a large part of my life and work for the past 15 years, and my current job involves writing on such matters - theory, policy, good practice - at the regional and national (government) levels here in the UK - helping to inform the debate, 'the powers that be' and the academics working on issues such as supporting vulnerable young people, improving mental health services for young people, 'translating' betweeen government policy and mental health service users, looking at the links and distinctions between mental health and learning disabilities, youth homelessness, youth offending, youth unemployment..... these sort of theoretical & policy issues affecting local and national governments today. But back on the other hand, this is mainly a low key 'leisure' internet forum, where it would be inappropriate for me to write as rigorously or convincingly as I have do for work - so I often hold my tongue here, since I'm personally not sure I have the stamina and resilience to get into drawn-out arguments or discussions (or want to fall out) with others on this board. In the past here I have not proven too good at the 'reasoned debate' threads! Also, during the past 15 years I have had my own issues to deal with and problems to resolve - as referenced in another long thread of mine recently. It is my own life experience, coupled with my professional experience and my academic background which have been the basis for the job I have now - but I'm unsure of a) how useful it would be for me to keep writing here in more like 'work' mode, and b) whether it will just antagonise or alienate other pearl jam fans who don't know me, when I'm trying to make friends and enjoy myself here.

So this is a long thing about me and my own dilemmas- but my conclusion is - I will probably post from time to time on this case, and I will try and get as much up to date with the detail as I can; but it may be infrequently on this topic, and I'm not yet sure what balance of 'formal' or informal writing style to use. If anyone has some curiosity and wants to know what I have done, what relevant issues I have researched and written about, or what I think on a particular point, then I will try and respond. (I will reflect on the questions you have asked). But if people are not curious, and have their own minds made up - then I will probably step back unless I see something which is really out of step with the stuff that I do know well.

So, again, thanks for being civil and entirely comprehensible!! I will look into the issues you raise more closely, but probably not respond on this topic for a while yet.

t

I have an 11 year old son on the autism spectrum and he can't tell a lie. I'm not saying that Misskelley is autistic, I'm just pointing out that he might be telling HIS "truth"... no matter how much some of his details changed when retelling them. That -really- freaks me out. He seems to have details that no one else would know and that is unsettling as well.

Misskelly's confession makes no sense at all. He was in police custody for how long? I think it was 4 or 5 hours, and there is no record of what was said until they recorded his confession, hmm. They told him what to say, and he still got it wrong, gave 3 different times that the murders occured.