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  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    pjhawks wrote:
    corduroykelly wrote:
    No smoking laws are a joke and should not exist. Why should the government be able to tell people where they can smoke? If it's so bad why is it legal? Money. They get money from people buying cigarettes and then want to fine you for smoking in a place they don't want you to smoke that doesn't even belong to them. Half you people wouldn't be taking the bus if you didn't have a DUI, and that's cool though. It's outside in free air unless you want the government to tax our air now too. Oh and for you people who work in a restaurant or bar here's an idea if you you don't like the smoke quit your job and go to college. No one is forcing you to work there. Let's all keep being offended by everyone and everything. Everyone is so weak now. What has happened to this world where everyone does nothing but bitch and moan about everything.

    we wouldn't need laws if the selfish ignorant smokers of the world would do it in their own space and not insist on doing it anywhere they want with absolutely no regard to others. you want to smoke fine, but what gives you the right do smoke next to me and let the smoke blow on me with no regard ? would it be ok for me to turn and sneeze on you with no regard for your space? i highly doubt any smoker would take too kindly to that but they have no problem blowing their smoke all over everyone else.

    forget the sneezing... just punch them in the throat. hard.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • Songburst
    Songburst Posts: 1,195
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    Some people are allergic to smoke. Some people have asthma. Some people don't want themselves or their clothing to smell like smoke.
    Yup -- I'm in the 3rd category there. If you have allergies or asthma or an aversion to smelling like smoke, don't patronize places that allow smoking. Of course it's illegal to run a place that allows smoking now so it's a moot point.

    We're getting really soft as a people and we rely way too much on rules and regulations to protect us from ourselves. This is just one more choice that we don't have to make.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    corduroykelly wrote:
    No smoking laws are a joke and should not exist. Why should the government be able to tell people where they can smoke? If it's so bad why is it legal? Money. They get money from people buying cigarettes and then want to fine you for smoking in a place they don't want you to smoke that doesn't even belong to them. Half you people wouldn't be taking the bus if you didn't have a DUI, and that's cool though. It's outside in free air unless you want the government to tax our air now too. Oh and for you people who work in a restaurant or bar here's an idea if you you don't like the smoke quit your job and go to college. No one is forcing you to work there. Let's all keep being offended by everyone and everything. Everyone is so weak now. What has happened to this world where everyone does nothing but bitch and moan about everything.

    Sounds like someone needs a smoke really really bad!

    someone also needs to realize this is not the only country this is happening in... :lol:
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    Sagittarius Crux wrote:
    pjhawks wrote:
    corduroykelly wrote:
    No smoking laws are a joke and should not exist. Why should the government be able to tell people where they can smoke? If it's so bad why is it legal? Money. They get money from people buying cigarettes and then want to fine you for smoking in a place they don't want you to smoke that doesn't even belong to them. Half you people wouldn't be taking the bus if you didn't have a DUI, and that's cool though. It's outside in free air unless you want the government to tax our air now too. Oh and for you people who work in a restaurant or bar here's an idea if you you don't like the smoke quit your job and go to college. No one is forcing you to work there. Let's all keep being offended by everyone and everything. Everyone is so weak now. What has happened to this world where everyone does nothing but bitch and moan about everything.

    we wouldn't need laws if the selfish ignorant smokers of the world would do it in their own space and not insist on doing it anywhere they want with absolutely no regard to others. you want to smoke fine, but what gives you the right do smoke next to me and let the smoke blow on me with no regard ? would it be ok for me to turn and sneeze on you with no regard for your space? i highly doubt any smoker would take too kindly to that but they have no problem blowing their smoke all over everyone else.


    OK you have the RIGHT to smoke, but you DO NOT have the right to impose that upon others.

    Here it is banned in restaurants and bars/clubs etc. It is so much more pleasurable to be able to have a meal without having it ruined by someone smoking nearby. Also banned within 4metres (or maybe 3m) of a business entrance.

    3 or 4 meters! wow--that's like 5 miles right?
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  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    corduroykelly wrote:
    No smoking laws are a joke and should not exist. Why should the government be able to tell people where they can smoke? If it's so bad why is it legal? Money. They get money from people buying cigarettes and then want to fine you for smoking in a place they don't want you to smoke that doesn't even belong to them. Half you people wouldn't be taking the bus if you didn't have a DUI, and that's cool though. It's outside in free air unless you want the government to tax our air now too. Oh and for you people who work in a restaurant or bar here's an idea if you you don't like the smoke quit your job and go to college. No one is forcing you to work there. Let's all keep being offended by everyone and everything. Everyone is so weak now. What has happened to this world where everyone does nothing but bitch and moan about everything.

    if i jumped into a giant vat of human shit, then walked into the bar you were in and just kept following you around like the proverbial 'bad smell' ... would you be ok with that? cos i dont think smelling like shit has been banned yet so i wouldnt be breaking any laws...

    your smoke stinks... its filthy and disgusting... I want to be able to walk into a bar covered in human excrement... but i'm not a selfish fucker so I tend not to do it... couldnt you lazy smokers exercise your ever blackening lungs and walk the 12 paces to the front fucking door of a bar so you can enjoy your death stick outside? I walk the 14 paces to the mens toilets so i can do a shit in them... if i was the toilet version of a smoker I would just drop the trousers and do it right there on the floor... but i dont, out of respect for myself and other people around me i walk to the designated shitting area and do it there... you whiny smoking dolts can even be fucking bothered walking to a designated smoking area... that defies belief... are you seriously that lazy???? that selfish?
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • Franny
    Franny Posts: 2,054
    The Jeagler wrote:
    3 or 4 meters! wow--that's like 5 miles right?

    :lol: The way some people carry on about it you'd think it was! ;)
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    dunkman wrote:
    corduroykelly wrote:
    No smoking laws are a joke and should not exist. Why should the government be able to tell people where they can smoke? If it's so bad why is it legal? Money. They get money from people buying cigarettes and then want to fine you for smoking in a place they don't want you to smoke that doesn't even belong to them. Half you people wouldn't be taking the bus if you didn't have a DUI, and that's cool though. It's outside in free air unless you want the government to tax our air now too. Oh and for you people who work in a restaurant or bar here's an idea if you you don't like the smoke quit your job and go to college. No one is forcing you to work there. Let's all keep being offended by everyone and everything. Everyone is so weak now. What has happened to this world where everyone does nothing but bitch and moan about everything.

    if i jumped into a giant vat of human shit, then walked into the bar you were in and just kept following you around like the proverbial 'bad smell' ... would you be ok with that? cos i dont think smelling like shit has been banned yet so i wouldnt be breaking any laws...

    your smoke stinks... its filthy and disgusting... I want to be able to walk into a bar covered in human excrement... but i'm not a selfish fucker so I tend not to do it... couldnt you lazy smokers exercise your ever blackening lungs and walk the 12 paces to the front fucking door of a bar so you can enjoy your death stick outside? I walk the 14 paces to the mens toilets so i can do a shit in them... if i was the toilet version of a smoker I would just drop the trousers and do it right there on the floor... but i dont, out of respect for myself and other people around me i walk to the designated shitting area and do it there... you whiny smoking dolts can even be fucking bothered walking to a designated smoking area... that defies belief... are you seriously that lazy???? that selfish?




    dunk you are fantastic
    i just laughed my ass off
    thank you and good morning, Sir.

    smokes blow
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    no more forever."
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  • chime
    chime Posts: 7,839
    I just know the smoking ban has made nights out much more enjoyable for me. I'm allergic and the main irritation to me was my eyes so any night out was actually physically painful for me and I'd sometimes have to leave early. Then get home 10pm or 3am had to take a shower to get rid of the smell. But I did it as like Pandora said I wanted to spend time with my friends some of who smoked. I find bars and pubs more pleasent to be in ... also an added bonus is that many friends have used this as a trigger to stop smoking meaning hopefully they'll be around a little longer ... and they are also a little richer.
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    chime wrote:
    I just know the smoking ban has made nights out much more enjoyable for me. I'm allergic and the main irritation to me was my eyes so any night out was actually physically painful for me and I'd sometimes have to leave early. Then get home 10pm or 3am had to take a shower to get rid of the smell. But I did it as like Pandora said I wanted to spend time with my friends some of who smoked. I find bars and pubs more pleasent to be in ... also an added bonus is that many friends have used this as a trigger to stop smoking meaning hopefully they'll be around a little longer ... and they are also a little richer.
    i doubt you are allergic to smoke.
    does that mean you are and others are not?
    i think smoke bothers everyone.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • chime
    chime Posts: 7,839
    edited October 2010
    chadwick wrote:
    chime wrote:
    I just know the smoking ban has made nights out much more enjoyable for me. I'm allergic and the main irritation to me was my eyes so any night out was actually physically painful for me and I'd sometimes have to leave early. Then get home 10pm or 3am had to take a shower to get rid of the smell. But I did it as like Pandora said I wanted to spend time with my friends some of who smoked. I find bars and pubs more pleasent to be in ... also an added bonus is that many friends have used this as a trigger to stop smoking meaning hopefully they'll be around a little longer ... and they are also a little richer.
    i doubt you are allergic to smoke.
    does that mean you are and others are not?
    i think smoke bothers everyone.

    I am allergic to smoke ... not everyones eyes puff up go red and hurt just from being in a bar (when smoking was allowed). Yes some people are allergic (think others in this thread have also mentioned it) and some not ... same as some people are allergic to beer and some not ... but yes I think smoke does bother all non-smokers.
    Post edited by chime on
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    i know bonfire smoke burns my eyes when standing in the direction the smoke is blowing.
    other than that i think im ok.

    i am sorry your eyes burn and swell up from cigs.
    that stinks.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • chime
    chime Posts: 7,839
    Nearly bonfire season here (November 5th is the big day) ... I will remember to stand away from the way the smoke is blowing.

    Everybody enjoys a good bonfire yes/no? ;)
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    chime wrote:
    Nearly bonfire season here (November 5th is the big day) ... I will remember to stand away from the way the smoke is blowing.

    Everybody enjoys a good bonfire yes/no? ;)
    yes i think so
    and then some cry that it stinks (i gotta go home and shower, your fire smells)
    some bitch about the smoke getting in their eyes

    :mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • chime
    chime Posts: 7,839
    chadwick wrote:
    chime wrote:
    Nearly bonfire season here (November 5th is the big day) ... I will remember to stand away from the way the smoke is blowing.

    Everybody enjoys a good bonfire yes/no? ;)
    yes i think so
    and then some cry that it stinks (i gotta go home and shower, your fire smells)
    some bitch about the smoke getting in their eyes

    :mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:

    Those poor people ... bonfires smell gooooddd :mrgreen: :P ;)
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  • ZiggyStar
    ZiggyStar Posts: 14,328
    I smoked for over 10 years....loved it....used to smoke 30 a day or so....in the house, in the car, in bed, in the shower! :? I haven't had once since I quit in 2007.

    Smoke doesn't bother me....when I have drinks at my house I'll happily let my friends smoke at my kitchen table where we sit. The smell doesn't really bother me either. I don't like venues FULL of smokers though. That gets a bit stinky.

    But I know how addictive it is. I know how bad it is for you. People spend money they can't afford on them. I see (and know) mothers who still smoke when they're pregnant. I see parents smoking in the car with their kids. I see friends spending $100+ on cigarettes a week while their kids have secondhand shit toys etc and "can't afford' to get their teeth fixed at the dentist.

    Cigarettes kill people...and use up a lot of fucking hospital beds in the process. Once you quit, you see them for what they are. I personally think we should be doing everything possible to make it harder for people to smoke....to entice them to quit....and we should be doing everything we can to make it easier to quit like have free nicotine patches etc. It was more expensive for me to get patches than it was to smoke. That's bullshit.


    In saying this, if I have 6 months to live, hand me a pack of Marlboro reds and a bong....I'm going out in a haze of smoke! :lol: Kidding....
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  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    Songburst wrote:
    I'm just saying that as disgusting as it is, the whole second hand smoke paranoia is blown (haha) way way way out of proportion. If second-hand smoke doesn't give you cancer, the pesticides used on our vegtables, the radiation emitting from our cell phones or wireless routers, being in the abomination that is our sun or growing older than the ripe old age of 50 will get you. Life's too short to worrying about something as incidental as 2nd hand smoke.

    Thank you for your opinion, but as people become smarter and more aware of the dangers of cigarette smoking, people with this attitude are quickly becoming the minority. And that is exactly why these laws are falling into place. Life is NOT too short to worry about the disgusting habits that other people impose on me. I avoid vegetables with pesticides, and scientists are constantly improving chemicals that are used to treat foods. Cig smoke will always be bad, and is NOT blown (yes, haha) way out of proportion in my opinion.
    corduroykelly wrote:
    No smoking laws are a joke and should not exist. Why should the government be able to tell people where they can smoke? If it's so bad why is it legal? Money. They get money from people buying cigarettes and then want to fine you for smoking in a place they don't want you to smoke that doesn't even belong to them. Half you people wouldn't be taking the bus if you didn't have a DUI, and that's cool though. It's outside in free air unless you want the government to tax our air now too. Oh and for you people who work in a restaurant or bar here's an idea if you you don't like the smoke quit your job and go to college. No one is forcing you to work there. Let's all keep being offended by everyone and everything. Everyone is so weak now. What has happened to this world where everyone does nothing but bitch and moan about everything.

    I agree with Dunk on this one. And it has nothing to do with weakness as you so eloquently place blame, I would call it education mixed with a tad of respect for ones body and the others around you. You sound like one of those people that doenst give a shit about anyone but yourself.
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  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    ZiggyStar wrote:
    I smoked for over 10 years....loved it....used to smoke 30 a day or so....in the house, in the car, in bed, in the shower! :? I haven't had once since I quit in 2007.

    Smoke doesn't bother me....when I have drinks at my house I'll happily let my friends smoke at my kitchen table where we sit. The smell doesn't really bother me either. I don't like venues FULL of smokers though. That gets a bit stinky.

    But I know how addictive it is. I know how bad it is for you. People spend money they can't afford on them. I see (and know) mothers who still smoke when they're pregnant. I see parents smoking in the car with their kids. I see friends spending $100+ on cigarettes a week while their kids have secondhand shit toys etc and "can't afford' to get their teeth fixed at the dentist.

    Cigarettes kill people...and use up a lot of fucking hospital beds in the process. Once you quit, you see them for what they are. I personally think we should be doing everything possible to make it harder for people to smoke....to entice them to quit....and we should be doing everything we can to make it easier to quit like have free nicotine patches etc. It was more expensive for me to get patches than it was to smoke. That's bullshit.


    In saying this, if I have 6 months to live, hand me a pack of Marlboro reds and a bong....I'm going out in a haze of smoke! :lol: Kidding....

    Ciggy Star
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • RKCNDY
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  • Songburst
    Songburst Posts: 1,195
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    Thank you for your opinion, but as people become smarter and more aware of the dangers of cigarette smoking, people with this attitude are quickly becoming the minority. And that is exactly why these laws are falling into place. Life is NOT too short to worry about the disgusting habits that other people impose on me. I avoid vegetables with pesticides, and scientists are constantly improving chemicals that are used to treat foods. Cig smoke will always be bad, and is NOT blown (yes, haha) way out of proportion in my opinion.
    Nobody really imposes anything on you. If you are really so concerned about 2nd hand smoke, you could avoid places that allow smoking, no? At the end of the day it's just another vice. We should outlaw drinking, gambling, fast food, casual sex, video gaming, etc. etc. while we're at it. Only then will we all be ok.
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  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    Songburst wrote:
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    Thank you for your opinion, but as people become smarter and more aware of the dangers of cigarette smoking, people with this attitude are quickly becoming the minority. And that is exactly why these laws are falling into place. Life is NOT too short to worry about the disgusting habits that other people impose on me. I avoid vegetables with pesticides, and scientists are constantly improving chemicals that are used to treat foods. Cig smoke will always be bad, and is NOT blown (yes, haha) way out of proportion in my opinion.
    Nobody really imposes anything on you. If you are really so concerned about 2nd hand smoke, you could avoid places that allow smoking, no? At the end of the day it's just another vice. We should outlaw drinking, gambling, fast food, casual sex, video gaming, etc. etc. while we're at it. Only then will we all be ok.
    You're right,
    tomorrow i'm going to quit my job and write a letter to the transit authority to provide me with a personal bus service.
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