Smokers' Rights

nuffingman · October 2010

dunkman wrote:

If you smoked next to me and endanger my health then surely i have every right to punch you in the throat to endanger your health?

Interesting, how many times do people smoke next to you and where? Over here we can't smoke in pubs, restaurants or any public building. You can't smoke in areas that are enclosed on 3 sides. Some pubs don't even let you smoke in their gardens. I can't remember when I last was bothered by someone smoking.

dunkman · October 2010

nuffingman wrote:

dunkman wrote:

If you smoked next to me and endanger my health then surely i have every right to punch you in the throat to endanger your health?

Interesting, how many times do people smoke next to you and where? Over here we can't smoke in pubs, restaurants or any public building. You can't smoke in areas that are enclosed on 3 sides. Some pubs don't even let you smoke in their gardens. I can't remember when I last was bothered by someone smoking.

exactly... we are a civilised country and as a result i also can't remember the last time I bothered someone by punching them in the throat

nuffingman · October 2010

dunkman wrote:

nuffingman wrote:

dunkman wrote:

If you smoked next to me and endanger my health then surely i have every right to punch you in the throat to endanger your health?

Interesting, how many times do people smoke next to you and where? Over here we can't smoke in pubs, restaurants or any public building. You can't smoke in areas that are enclosed on 3 sides. Some pubs don't even let you smoke in their gardens. I can't remember when I last was bothered by someone smoking.

exactly... we are a civilised country and as a result i also can't remember the last time I bothered someone by punching them in the throat

pandora · October 2010

I enjoy people. Thats why I go out for drinks to our favorite bars. Listen to music, talk, laugh, enjoy human contact, have fun.
I'm a nonsmoker but if there is smoke so be it,
it doesn't stop me from frequenting the establishment or engaging with people because they are smoking.
Look what I would be missing being a fuss button about it.
So I smell like smoke so what...this person, this smoker, made me think, laugh, touched my heart, learn something new, made me happy.
The real basic human right is to be accepted and loved for who we are.
I feel for those who limit their acceptance of others, restrict their love for another person because they do not look or act to their criteria. It is loss for them, greater than they know.
I think we should get over all the judging of others and lighten up and love.

chadwick · October 2010

pandora wrote:

I enjoy people. Thats why I go out for drinks to our favorite bars. Listen to music, talk, laugh, enjoy human contact, have fun.
I'm a nonsmoker but if there is smoke so be it,
it doesn't stop me from frequenting the establishment or engaging with people because they are smoking.
Look what I would be missing being a fuss button about it.
So I smell like smoke so what...this person, this smoker, made me think, laugh, touched my heart, learn something new, made me happy.
The real basic human right is to be accepted and loved for who we are.
I feel for those who limit their acceptance of others, restrict their love for another person because they do not look or act to their criteria. It is loss for them, greater than they know.
I think we should get over all the judging of others and lighten up and love.

a lot of people, pandora, are a pain in the nuts.
some folks have to bitch about something.
i find people to be full of shit.

cigs are very addictive.
it just makes sense, make weed legal.
cigs are legal do dont even do anything for ya.
stupid government.

i hate D.C.
anyone living in the D.C. area should be beat with cigarettes and pot

pandora · October 2010

GO ARNOLD!!

first step Decriminalize!

dunkman · October 2010

pandora wrote:

So I smell like smoke so what...this person, this smoker, made me think, laugh, touched my heart, learn something new, made me happy, possibly gave me cancer

hi.

i fixed your quote

peas and glove

dunk

dunkman · October 2010

chadwick wrote:

cigs are very addictive.

good point... and we all know that right? we are all told that from the age of 8... millions of pounds worth of advertising to tell us they are addictive... friends and family dying of cancer... and yet people still smoke.

then they come onto forums like this and say shit like "well its easy for you to say "just quit" cos you don't know how hard it is... you dont know how addictive it is" ... well actually i do... thats because i'm not thicker than a dinosaurs mattress... i KNOW how addictive and how bad it is for your health so thats why i dont fucking smoke.

if people are that stupid then i say let them smoke and reduce the surplus population... just dont do it next to me or i'll punch you in the cancer-laden throat.

chadwick · October 2010

dunkman wrote:

chadwick wrote:

cigs are very addictive.

good point... and we all know that right? we are all told that from the age of 8... millions of pounds worth of advertising to tell us they are addictive... friends and family dying of cancer... and yet people still smoke.

then they come onto forums like this and say shit like "well its easy for you to say "just quit" cos you don't know how hard it is... you dont know how addictive it is" ... well actually i do... thats because i'm not thicker than a dinosaurs mattress... i KNOW how addictive and how bad it is for your health so thats why i dont fucking smoke.

if people are that stupid then i say let them smoke and reduce the surplus population... just dont do it next to me or i'll punch you in the cancer-laden throat.

it is so addictive it can drive you insane
true stuff

arnold is an idiot for puffing cigars
he does a shit job as governor of CA and his movie blow

i thought Arnold stood for health and fitness being he was mr universe 4,000 times.
fuck u Arnold

pandora, find a new dude
arnold stinks

chadwick · October 2010

i have never shot a load of brown or blonde heroin up my arm.
from what i understand cigarettes are more addictive than heroin.
doctors have told me so and i've heard it all over for a longtime now.

tobacco is a shitty thing.

pandora · October 2010

dunkman wrote:

pandora wrote:

So I smell like smoke so what...this person, this smoker, made me think, laugh, touched my heart, learn something new, made me happy, possibly gave me cancer

hi.

i fixed your quote

peas and glove

dunk

the cancer thing is over the top.... paranoia... don't you know that something is gonna getcha in the end anyways?

Not enjoying other people because they smoke may make you the sorriest when you look back over your life with a clear eye

RKCNDY · October 2010

Hi,

I am wothless scum!
I am also the designated driver that drives many drunk asses home at 2AM, so I can make sure everybody gets home safe. I make sure that you don't forget to pick up your PJ poster at the end of the concert, I also make sure your drunk ass doesn't get into trouble with the po-po.
I carry a pocket ashtray, and take my butts to a proper trash receptacle, I hate nothing more than seeing discarded butts on the side of the highway, beach or park. Addicted? No, I have had the same pack of smokes for the last 5 weeks. I would smoke a J instead of cigarettes if it was legal, but it's not.
I don't expect a shelter to be built for my smoking pleasure, I deal with the weather....it rains here 9-10 months of the year, if you can't deal with the rain, move to freaking SoCal.

Yours Truly,
Respectful Scum

BTW, you all know Ed is a smoker too right? At least him and I are sharing a boat....

Jeanwah · October 2010

Yeah, I never understood why we feel entitled to put down someone else just because they're not "like me". So what if people want to smoke cigarettes; it's their life, they can do what they want with it. Life itself is too great and vast to focus on the small details anyways. Enjoy life and everyone in our lives, while we're alive.

nuffingman · October 2010

Jeanwah wrote:

Yeah, I never understood why we feel entitled to put down someone else just because they're not "like me". So what if people want to smoke cigarettes; it's their life, they can do what they want with it. Life itself is too great and vast to focus on the small details anyways. Enjoy life and everyone in our lives, while we're alive.

True! And I would rather get in a car with 4and20 than someone that has had a few beers. We don't seem to condemn drinkers as much though. Getting slaughtered seems to be something to brag about and laugh at.

eMMI · October 2010

pandora wrote:

the cancer thing is over the top.... paranoia... don't you know that something is gonna getcha in the end anyways?

Of course something's gonna get us all in the end. But that's no excuse for exposing others to second hand smoke.

3. Does secondhand smoke contain harmful chemicals?

Yes. Of the more than 4,000 chemicals that have been identified in secondhand tobacco smoke, at least 250 are known to be harmful, and 50 of these are known to cause cancer. These chemicals include:

* arsenic (a heavy metal toxin)
* benzene (a chemical found in gasoline)
* beryllium (a toxic metal)
* cadmium (a metal used in batteries)
* chromium (a metallic element)
* ethylene oxide (a chemical used to sterilize medical devices)
* nickel (a metallic element)
* polonium–210 (a chemical element that gives off radiation)
* vinyl chloride (a toxic substance used in plastics manufacture)

Many factors affect which chemicals are found in secondhand smoke, including the type of tobacco, the chemicals added to the tobacco, the way the product is smoked, and the paper in which the tobacco is wrapped.

4. Does exposure to secondhand smoke cause cancer?

Yes. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the U.S. National Toxicology Program (NTP), the U.S. Surgeon General, and the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) have classified secondhand smoke as a known human carcinogen (cancer-causing agent).

Inhaling secondhand smoke causes lung cancer in nonsmoking adults. Approximately 3,000 lung cancer deaths occur each year among adult nonsmokers in the United States as a result of exposure to secondhand smoke. The Surgeon General estimates that living with a smoker increases a nonsmoker’s chances of developing lung cancer by 20 to 30 percent.

5. What are the other health effects of exposure to secondhand smoke?

Secondhand smoke causes disease and premature death in nonsmoking adults and children. Exposure to secondhand smoke irritates the airways and has immediate harmful effects on a person’s heart and blood vessels. It may increase the risk of heart disease by an estimated 25 to 30 percent. In the United States, secondhand smoke is thought to cause about 46,000 heart disease deaths each year. There may also be a link between exposure to secondhand smoke and the risk of stroke and hardening of the arteries; however, additional research is needed to confirm this link.

Children exposed to secondhand smoke are at an increased risk of sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS), ear infections, colds, pneumonia, bronchitis, and more severe asthma. Being exposed to secondhand smoke slows the growth of children’s lungs and can cause them to cough, wheeze, and feel breathless.

6. What is a safe level of secondhand smoke?

There is no safe level of exposure to secondhand smoke. Studies have shown that even low levels of secondhand smoke exposure can be harmful. The only way to fully protect nonsmokers from secondhand smoke exposure is to completely eliminate smoking in indoor spaces. Separating smokers from nonsmokers, cleaning the air, and ventilating buildings cannot completely eliminate secondhand smoke exposure.

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/fact ... obacco/ETS

pandora wrote:

Not enjoying other people because they smoke may make you the sorriest when you look back over your life with a clear eye

I have a lot of friends who smoke. My parents smoke, even my grandmother smokes. Do I hate them for that or not spend time with them because of that? Of course not! They've never given me a reason to do so. They always smoke outside, they make sure (to the best of their ability) that their smoke doesn't blow into my face.. All that and it's really not that big of a deal. They've chosen to smoke, fine. I'm not a fan, but I don't dislike them for it.

EDIT: Sorry for the long post and all of this is not solely directed at pandora.

eMMI · October 2010

nuffingman wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

Yeah, I never understood why we feel entitled to put down someone else just because they're not "like me". So what if people want to smoke cigarettes; it's their life, they can do what they want with it. Life itself is too great and vast to focus on the small details anyways. Enjoy life and everyone in our lives, while we're alive.

True! And I would rather get in a car with 4and20 than someone that has had a few beers. We don't seem to condemn drinkers as much though. Getting slaughtered seems to be something to brag about and laugh at.

Drinking excessively (and drunk driving) is of course a big problem too. But in a way drinking and smoking aren't comparable, because someone drinking near me (when we talk about them just consuming alcoholic beverages, not driving drunk or other) isn't risking my health whereas someone smoking near me, and me having to inhale the smoke, is.

pandora · October 2010

eMMI wrote:

pandora wrote:

the cancer thing is over the top.... paranoia... don't you know that something is gonna getcha in the end anyways?

Of course something's gonna get us all in the end. But that's no excuse for exposing others to second hand smoke.

3. Does secondhand smoke contain harmful chemicals?

Yes. Of the more than 4,000 chemicals that have been identified in secondhand tobacco smoke, at least 250 are known to be harmful, and 50 of these are known to cause cancer. These chemicals include:

* arsenic (a heavy metal toxin)
* benzene (a chemical found in gasoline)
* beryllium (a toxic metal)
* cadmium (a metal used in batteries)
* chromium (a metallic element)
* ethylene oxide (a chemical used to sterilize medical devices)
* nickel (a metallic element)
* polonium–210 (a chemical element that gives off radiation)
* vinyl chloride (a toxic substance used in plastics manufacture)

Many factors affect which chemicals are found in secondhand smoke, including the type of tobacco, the chemicals added to the tobacco, the way the product is smoked, and the paper in which the tobacco is wrapped.

4. Does exposure to secondhand smoke cause cancer?

Yes. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the U.S. National Toxicology Program (NTP), the U.S. Surgeon General, and the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) have classified secondhand smoke as a known human carcinogen (cancer-causing agent).

Inhaling secondhand smoke causes lung cancer in nonsmoking adults. Approximately 3,000 lung cancer deaths occur each year among adult nonsmokers in the United States as a result of exposure to secondhand smoke. The Surgeon General estimates that living with a smoker increases a nonsmoker’s chances of developing lung cancer by 20 to 30 percent.

5. What are the other health effects of exposure to secondhand smoke?

Secondhand smoke causes disease and premature death in nonsmoking adults and children. Exposure to secondhand smoke irritates the airways and has immediate harmful effects on a person’s heart and blood vessels. It may increase the risk of heart disease by an estimated 25 to 30 percent. In the United States, secondhand smoke is thought to cause about 46,000 heart disease deaths each year. There may also be a link between exposure to secondhand smoke and the risk of stroke and hardening of the arteries; however, additional research is needed to confirm this link.

Children exposed to secondhand smoke are at an increased risk of sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS), ear infections, colds, pneumonia, bronchitis, and more severe asthma. Being exposed to secondhand smoke slows the growth of children’s lungs and can cause them to cough, wheeze, and feel breathless.

6. What is a safe level of secondhand smoke?

There is no safe level of exposure to secondhand smoke. Studies have shown that even low levels of secondhand smoke exposure can be harmful. The only way to fully protect nonsmokers from secondhand smoke exposure is to completely eliminate smoking in indoor spaces. Separating smokers from nonsmokers, cleaning the air, and ventilating buildings cannot completely eliminate secondhand smoke exposure.

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/fact ... obacco/ETS

pandora wrote:

Not enjoying other people because they smoke may make you the sorriest when you look back over your life with a clear eye

I have a lot of friends who smoke. My parents smoke, even my grandmother smokes. Do I hate them for that or not spend time with them because of that? Of course not! They've never given me a reason to do so. They always smoke outside, they make sure (to the best of their ability) that their smoke doesn't blow into my face.. All that and it's really not that big of a deal. They've chosen to smoke, fine. I'm not a fan, but I don't dislike them for it.

EDIT: Sorry for the long post and all of this is not solely directed at pandora.

'dollar 2 a donut' its not the second hand smoke that will get me,
so therefore I am enjoying my life.
I am glad you do not berate your family for being smokers, that is good of you.
That you love and accept them and their choices.
That is what we should do for all people not just our loved ones.
Its a matter of choice whether you smoke or inhale second hand smoke...
I personally feel second hand smoke is hysteria unless you are working or living in it which is pretty much there in the statistics.

even flow - question mark · October 2010

eMMI wrote:

even flow - question mark wrote:

All you non-smokers send your letters to your governments and get them to stop taxing and for that matter stop making the things.

That's not the point really. And while it would be quite ideal that cigs wouldn't exist at all, that's still a long way away. Meanwhile it's just common courtesy for smokers to pay a little attention to people around them and try not to expose them to the smoke.

What terrifies me most are mums who don't seem to care at all that their kids have to hang out in cigarrette smoke (the mother's own too!). That's disgusting.

Not to get into a pissing match but those same said people waiting for the bus, watching the congested traffic crawl by them seem to have no problem sucking in the yellow haze from the exhaust pipes. Just sayin'.

RKCNDY · October 2010

even flow - question mark wrote:

Not to get into a pissing match but those same said people waiting for the bus, watching the congested traffic crawl by them seem to have no problem sucking in the yellow haze from the exhaust pipes. Just sayin'.

and those same chemicals are on the ground (along with pesticides) that everybody is walking on, which in turn is tracked into our homes so we all are breathing it, while we are in our home. Unless you take your shoes off before you come into the house, or vacuum every day.

eMMI · October 2010

even flow - question mark wrote:

eMMI wrote:

even flow - question mark wrote:

All you non-smokers send your letters to your governments and get them to stop taxing and for that matter stop making the things.

That's not the point really. And while it would be quite ideal that cigs wouldn't exist at all, that's still a long way away. Meanwhile it's just common courtesy for smokers to pay a little attention to people around them and try not to expose them to the smoke.

What terrifies me most are mums who don't seem to care at all that their kids have to hang out in cigarrette smoke (the mother's own too!). That's disgusting.

Not to get into a pissing match but those same said people waiting for the bus, watching the congested traffic crawl by them seem to have no problem sucking in the yellow haze from the exhaust pipes. Just sayin'.

At least the yellow haze is for everyone. And not really something you can choose to not breathe, as it is everywhere.

I've chosen to not smoke, I'd appreciate it if I didn't have to inhale someone else's decision. Just like if someone's decided to not drink or eat meat, I'm not gonna go around shoving shots or meatballs down their throats just because I like a drink every now and then and enjoy a good steak.

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