Pearl Jam & Grateful Dead Comparison (article)
From: Pastemagazine.com
Published at 8:15 AM on September 18, 2009
By Justin Jacobs
Pearl Jamband: Is Pearl Jam a Modern Grateful Dead?
Pearl Jam has long been linked to flannel, but what about tie-dye?
As the band closes in on its second decade making music, Pearl Jam and its follow-them-anywhere fans have slowly become one of the tightest communities in rock ’n’ roll, complete with a vibrant bootleg trade centered around the band’s ever-changing, much-lauded live show that many claim transcends the pomp and circumstance of normal rock shows for something more human.
Sound like a mouthful? Sure. Sound like the Grateful Dead? Absolutely.
The most quantifiable Pearl Jam/Grateful Dead parallel came in cassette tapes, and now comes in MP3s. Just like the Dead’s intricate network of tapers and bootleggers, Pearl Jam fans have got you covered if you couldn’t make the show. PearlJamBootLegs.org, to name just one site, has 665 Pearl Jam shows recorded and available for your listening pleasure. While even that figure pales in comparison to some Deadhead tapers (Rob McKeever of WheelToTheStorm.com has 2,318 Dead shows archived), it’s still approximately 55 days worth of Vedder and Co.
The argument exists, of course, that Pearl Jam, not being a real "jam band" complete with 25-minute guitar solos, couldn’t truly be the successors of the Grateful Dead. Phish would, right? Well, maybe not.
The Grateful Dead was the first band in a genre it created, spawning countless musical children (Phish, Widespread Panic, moe., String Cheese Incident), and the band’s following was stronger than all of the bands that came after. Pearl Jam, similarly, is the forebear of a genre (though it hasn’t released a real grunge record in 15 years), and has spawned countless musical children (Everclear, Silverchair, Creed, etc.). And Pearl Jam’s following is undoubtedly stronger than any of these so-called "post-grunge" bands.
Beyond each band’s genre, the Grateful Dead and Pearl Jam fill similar roles overall in pop culture. Both bands are known by virtually any music fan by their hits (we all know “Jeremy”; we all know “Truckin’”), and they remain ever-present on the peripheral of the public’s musical mindset. Putting Pearl Jam’s mid-'90s superstardom aside, of course, the band is no Coldplay just as the Dead were no Rolling Stones.
Where the Dead/Jam parallels fray a bit, though, is in fan identity. Mention "Deadhead" to the guy sitting in the next cubicle and he’ll likely summon the usual image: tie-dye T-shirt, fingers in a peace sign and a joint dangling from his lips. Although even that stereotype is increasingly false (Even Ann Coulter has admitted Deadhead tendencies), the image sticks.
So what do Pearl Jam fanatics look like? Sleeveless shirts and long hair? Dudes in flannel? Unless we’re speaking of the lumberjack constituency of the band's fanbase, the answer is tough to conjure.
To Einat Shaul, a 28-year-old Pearl Jam fanatic from Israel, fans are united not in appearance, but in dedication. As the Vedder’s “All the Way,” an ode to the Chicago Cubs, goes, she says, “We aren’t fair weather fans; we’re foul weather fans.”
Few people understand the bands’ connection better than Dean Simmons. At 53, the Philadelphia retail manager has lived in the communities of both bands. “Jerry Garcia got onstage and my eyes opened up and my mouth dropped open,” he said of his first Grateful Dead experience. And though it happened decades later, his first Pearl Jam show in 2003 wasn’t so different: “There’s a flow of energy, from the band to the people and the people to the band. It’s like a group karaoke. Like a group hug.”
The correlation goes well beyond the rapturous musical experience that Pearl Jam and Grateful Dead fans ascribe to their favorite band—the concerts of both bands are like a town hall meeting of the faithful, with friends reconnecting and new friendships made—as well as other things
“We like to party loud before and after the shows,” said Shaul of her 46 (and counting) Pearl Jam shows. She's currently following her favorite band on their European tour—and it’s not her first time, either. Like the generation of Deadheads that followed the band in VW vans, Shaul has traveled behind Pearl Jam with a whole assortment of similarly-obsessed fans through Australia, the States and thrice through Europe.
Although Shaul’s never been a Grateful Dead fan, you wouldn’t know it from the way she describes Pearl Jam shows: “You’re all on one trippy journey together, like you’re around a campfire with your closest friends. People coming back for their 90th show feel like they’re coming home.”
Published at 8:15 AM on September 18, 2009
By Justin Jacobs
Pearl Jamband: Is Pearl Jam a Modern Grateful Dead?
Pearl Jam has long been linked to flannel, but what about tie-dye?
As the band closes in on its second decade making music, Pearl Jam and its follow-them-anywhere fans have slowly become one of the tightest communities in rock ’n’ roll, complete with a vibrant bootleg trade centered around the band’s ever-changing, much-lauded live show that many claim transcends the pomp and circumstance of normal rock shows for something more human.
Sound like a mouthful? Sure. Sound like the Grateful Dead? Absolutely.
The most quantifiable Pearl Jam/Grateful Dead parallel came in cassette tapes, and now comes in MP3s. Just like the Dead’s intricate network of tapers and bootleggers, Pearl Jam fans have got you covered if you couldn’t make the show. PearlJamBootLegs.org, to name just one site, has 665 Pearl Jam shows recorded and available for your listening pleasure. While even that figure pales in comparison to some Deadhead tapers (Rob McKeever of WheelToTheStorm.com has 2,318 Dead shows archived), it’s still approximately 55 days worth of Vedder and Co.
The argument exists, of course, that Pearl Jam, not being a real "jam band" complete with 25-minute guitar solos, couldn’t truly be the successors of the Grateful Dead. Phish would, right? Well, maybe not.
The Grateful Dead was the first band in a genre it created, spawning countless musical children (Phish, Widespread Panic, moe., String Cheese Incident), and the band’s following was stronger than all of the bands that came after. Pearl Jam, similarly, is the forebear of a genre (though it hasn’t released a real grunge record in 15 years), and has spawned countless musical children (Everclear, Silverchair, Creed, etc.). And Pearl Jam’s following is undoubtedly stronger than any of these so-called "post-grunge" bands.
Beyond each band’s genre, the Grateful Dead and Pearl Jam fill similar roles overall in pop culture. Both bands are known by virtually any music fan by their hits (we all know “Jeremy”; we all know “Truckin’”), and they remain ever-present on the peripheral of the public’s musical mindset. Putting Pearl Jam’s mid-'90s superstardom aside, of course, the band is no Coldplay just as the Dead were no Rolling Stones.
Where the Dead/Jam parallels fray a bit, though, is in fan identity. Mention "Deadhead" to the guy sitting in the next cubicle and he’ll likely summon the usual image: tie-dye T-shirt, fingers in a peace sign and a joint dangling from his lips. Although even that stereotype is increasingly false (Even Ann Coulter has admitted Deadhead tendencies), the image sticks.
So what do Pearl Jam fanatics look like? Sleeveless shirts and long hair? Dudes in flannel? Unless we’re speaking of the lumberjack constituency of the band's fanbase, the answer is tough to conjure.
To Einat Shaul, a 28-year-old Pearl Jam fanatic from Israel, fans are united not in appearance, but in dedication. As the Vedder’s “All the Way,” an ode to the Chicago Cubs, goes, she says, “We aren’t fair weather fans; we’re foul weather fans.”
Few people understand the bands’ connection better than Dean Simmons. At 53, the Philadelphia retail manager has lived in the communities of both bands. “Jerry Garcia got onstage and my eyes opened up and my mouth dropped open,” he said of his first Grateful Dead experience. And though it happened decades later, his first Pearl Jam show in 2003 wasn’t so different: “There’s a flow of energy, from the band to the people and the people to the band. It’s like a group karaoke. Like a group hug.”
The correlation goes well beyond the rapturous musical experience that Pearl Jam and Grateful Dead fans ascribe to their favorite band—the concerts of both bands are like a town hall meeting of the faithful, with friends reconnecting and new friendships made—as well as other things
“We like to party loud before and after the shows,” said Shaul of her 46 (and counting) Pearl Jam shows. She's currently following her favorite band on their European tour—and it’s not her first time, either. Like the generation of Deadheads that followed the band in VW vans, Shaul has traveled behind Pearl Jam with a whole assortment of similarly-obsessed fans through Australia, the States and thrice through Europe.
Although Shaul’s never been a Grateful Dead fan, you wouldn’t know it from the way she describes Pearl Jam shows: “You’re all on one trippy journey together, like you’re around a campfire with your closest friends. People coming back for their 90th show feel like they’re coming home.”
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Good article, but nothing new. Reporters have been making that connection since about 1995...93: Slane
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x20 -
good article, i've been telling people that for years now.Glasgow cathouse-1992-2-23, San diego sports arena-1995-11-06 & 07, Glasgow secc-2000-06-03, Tampa st petes times forum-2003-04-13, London O2 arena-2009-08-18, Belfast odyssey arena-2010-06-23.Leeds 2014 - 07-080
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For a deadhead like you dangdang finding that article must have been awesome (Don't encourage them...!!)
I recognise some of those interviewed at board members I've read on here.
OK dangdang - the real question is who is best in your book - pearl jam or the dead? and why?Cancel my subscription to the Ressurection
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I have seen PJ over 30 times and saw Grateful Dead with Jerry Garcia 169 times, I have said it before and I will say it again, there is no comparison. Comparing Grateful Dead to ANY band is like comparing apples to cannon balls.[img][/img]9/5/92, 11/20/93, 3/14,15/94, 9/16/95, 10/14,15/2000
4/5,6/9/2003, 9/1/05, 12/7/2005, 7/15,16,18/2006, 8/5/2007
6/24,25/08,6/27/08,6/28/08,6/30/08
9/21,22/2009, 10/4/2009
5/6,7,9/2010, 9/3/2011 9/4/2011, 11/15/2013,
11/16/2013, 12/8/2013, 10/5/2014, 10/12/2014,
4/23, 5/10, 5/12, 8/20, 8/22 2016,
8/8, 8/10, 8/18, 8/20 2018, 5/12, 5/13, 9/20 20220 -
Gotta hate it when writers run out of material & have to rip off other people's ideas to make a deadline."If you're looking for someone to pull you out of that ditch, you're out of luck."0
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Cob wrote:I have seen PJ over 30 times and saw Grateful Dead with Jerry Garcia 169 times, I have said it before and I will say it again, there is no comparison. Comparing Grateful Dead to ANY band is like comparing apples to cannon balls.
Amen to that. (100+ GD shows and 30+ PJ shows under my belt.)And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.......Nietzsche0 -
Cob wrote:I have seen PJ over 30 times and saw Grateful Dead with Jerry Garcia 169 times, I have said it before and I will say it again, there is no comparison. Comparing Grateful Dead to ANY band is like comparing apples to cannon balls.
well ive seen the dead (not grateful dead) about 5 or 6 times, and ive seen pj a whole ton of a lot more than that...and no, their music is nothing alike.
however their devoted fanbase that will go to great lengths to see them i definately see as similar to dead heads following the dead all over the place... that and pearl jam's audio taping policy and the tight knit group of diehard fans... i def see the comparisonit's largely due to eddie that i liked to jump off of things as a child...0 -
there are similarities-the writer missed a few points including direct ticket sales to their fans
but mostly, its the business model and the fact that both bands built their following by playing great shows
major difference is that PJ makes great records that make money, and the dead put a steal your face on every little trinket known to man
musically, these bands have very little, if anything in common.
I will just say that PJ filled the musical void in my life after Jerry passed.0 -
Nice article.Shows: 6.27.08 Hartford, CT/5.15.10 Hartford, CT/6.18.2011 Hartford, CT (EV Solo)/10.19.13 Brooklyn/10.25.13 Hartford
"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful0 -
Cob wrote:Comparing Grateful Dead to ANY band is like comparing apples to cannon balls.
+10000000000Ron: I just don't feel like going out tonight
Sammi: Wanna just break up?0 -
whats better apples or cannon balls?i post on the board of a band that doesn't exsist anymore .......i need my head examined.......0
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neilybabes86 wrote:whats better apples or cannon balls?
depends on whether you're hungry, or you want to sink a pirate ship..."A lot more people are capable of being big out there that just don't give themselves a chance." -Stone Gossard0 -
HeavyHands wrote:neilybabes86 wrote:whats better apples or cannon balls?
depends on whether you're hungry, or you want to sink a pirate ship...
i would think a cannon ball is better?i post on the board of a band that doesn't exsist anymore .......i need my head examined.......0 -
Great reading, thank you for sharing. I've been saying this for a long time, we're ever so faithful to out guys and not many bands have that type of following. So are we officially Jamheads?Hearts and thoughts they fade....
fade away...
I am at peace with my lust.....for Eddie.0 -
A friend reminded me of this one... Haven't posted here in a while, hi everyone!
The wishlist foundation activities and other charities BTW make all the difference in our following... and I love it that way.
See y'all at PJ20!I desire peace where I live
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einatshaul wrote:A friend reminded me of this one... Haven't posted here in a while, hi everyone!
The wishlist foundation activities and other charities BTW make all the difference in our following... and I love it that way.
See y'all at PJ20!
Welcome back!
It must have felt really great being interviewed / quoted in an article about your favourite band...0 -
Pearl Jam just needs a Ben & Jerry's flavor then we'd be all good.
I can see it now, "a smooth, vanilla pearly ice cream mixed with a rich blend of three kinds of jams"Member Number: 437xxx
Pearl Jam:
Key Arena - Seattle, WA - Sep 21, 2009
Pacific Coliseum - Vancouver, BC - Sep 25, 2011
Key Arena - Seattle, WA - Dec 6, 2013
Eddie Vedder Solo:
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Though obviously the music or genre isn't exactly the same, I think the comparison of PJ fans and Dead fans -- in terms of level of devotion -- is valid.
People don't plan vacations around the Stone Temple Pilots.everybody wants the most they can possibly get
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Damn I believe Phil Lesh has passed way RIP!jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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Sorry I thought I was posting this in the other music but still a sad day in music!jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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