Yossi says "During war there are no civilians"

dimitrispearljam wrote:

"in war and love everything allowed"
when usa bomb serbia ,when usa bomb irak,there was civilians on the ground..when russia bomb chechenia,
when.when.when..is a nonstop talking..
when its a war ,a bombing. someone loose his life,someone else his child,his brother,his dad,e.t.c
thats the fuckin problem and not what a military said..

I understand that 'war is war' Dimi, but there are rules of engagement. There is a lot of 'collateral damage' from bombs dropped from planes (I hate the term 'collateral damage'), but shooting a young girl 17 times (3 times in the head) at close range????? THAT is not allowed, THAT is downright murder. War or not.

redrock wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

"in war and love everything allowed"
when usa bomb serbia ,when usa bomb irak,there was civilians on the ground..when russia bomb chechenia,
when.when.when..is a nonstop talking..
when its a war ,a bombing. someone loose his life,someone else his child,his brother,his dad,e.t.c
thats the fuckin problem and not what a military said..

I understand that 'war is war' Dimi, but there are rules of engagement. There is a lot of 'collateral damage' from bombs dropped from planes (I hate the term 'collateral damage'), but shooting a young girl 17 times (3 times in the head) at close range????? THAT is not allowed, THAT is downright murder. War or not.

i agree,but those people act in the name of war..they use any excuse and those fuckin thing happen there ,is the excuse to get away..
really Rita..how sad are those threads..and the frikin thing is that we are talking and comment from the safety
of our offices,houses.e.t.c....can you imagine to be infront of that action...sometimes i think that someone who is a cool,calm guy can be in a minute a monster and shoot in cold blood if he is in the zone of war
ok ,im not talking for the murderer that shoot that girl 17 times..but im thinking that im here safe and try to judge with my logic something i read..i really dont know what im going to do,if im in a war zone.feel fear for my life ,last week i loose a relative from a bombing and see an enemy in 3 metres..and i have a gun..
i cant tell you for sure how ill act..and here comes the training i was talking in the fotila threads..
special forces and military trained for act ..they way they told them to do

Cosmo wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

ok..first to the OP..i think this is wrong that you wrote Yosi says in the thread tittle..show disrespect to a guy here on the board,no matter if your saying is right or wrong..even i disaggre with alot Yosi says and wrotes this "game" with his name in the tittle is wrong.
second...sad,but true..."during war there are no civilians"indeed..ill say as i say very often
"in war and love everything allowed"
when usa bomb serbia ,when usa bomb irak,there was civilians on the ground..when russia bomb chechenia,
when.when.when..is a nonstop talking..
when its a war ,a bombing. someone loose his life,someone else his child,his brother,his dad,e.t.c
thats the fuckin problem and not what a military said..
if you dont know it,ill tell you cos i know from first hand..military trained to win the wars..with any cost
sad..but true

...
That may be true... but, it doesn't mean it is right.
For example, in order to get one sniper off the roof of an apartment building... is it fair game to drop a couple of 500 pound bombs from the wings of an F-16 that levels the building in order to kill him? I admit... it is effective. But, does that justify the deaths of people hiding in their bedrooms, trying to avoid the firefight?
The 30mm gun of an Apache Longbow can dispatch of the sniper just as well. So, not anything goes.
The military... especially a military tasked in an occupational force, cannot apply the same rules as an army engaged with another uniformed army. Which is WHY our leaders need to put in the hard work and long hours to decide whether or not to engage in a war. War is the last resort... not the initial option. We need to understand this, as a people, so we don't place our soldiers in predicaments of limited engagement that may cost them their lives.

yes u are right..thats im telling no logic in war..they bomb 3 squares for one snipper..stupid..let me tell you something about bombing..isnt only the death that provokes..is the fear that leaves behind....that make u understand you cant win..from experience ill tell u about F-16..i listen their engines every day.im used to that big noise...but when they do fake bombing flights..fuck...i know its fake,i listen so many time..but that frikin sound when the pass so low from the ground and the idea of dropin bombs..cut my breath every time..

_outlaw wrote:

"During war there are no civilians," that’s what “Yossi,” an Israeli military (IDF) training unit leader simply stated.... .

So does that absolve all 'war crimes'? All is fair game in the name of 'war'?

dimitrispearljam wrote:

cate, tell that to the ones carry a gun and use it.not to me..im telling you whats happening and not what i want to happen.i said sad,but true!!.try to tell that to a F-16 fighter pilot..he just push the button..you think he dont know that there are civiliands down there?someone childen?someone mother..sorry,but thats the sad true...what do u want me to tell u ?that they must dont kill innocent?of they must dont do it!!!but this will solve the problem,or will stop it?in all the wars from day one of the world,innocent people killed..
people have the guns kill others..earth isnt an angels land..
so that statement of that asshole unfortuntly is true...wrong but true

he just pushes the button. say that out loud dimitris.


the fact that people die for no reason is bad enough. but for them to die by the hand of someone so dissociated from the result of their actions is just beyond words. war is bullshit. and it is not any measure of a civilised society. have we always had war? yes we have. can we see a better way? it appears we cant. and this is what draws my ire. i want to know why with all the resources we have... with the so called progress weve made... with our protestations that we are a civilise people... why do we still resort to such measures.

_outlaw wrote:

It seems to me that people are forgetting that this is not a war but an occupation.

Good point. There is a difference.

Jason P wrote:

_outlaw wrote:

scb wrote:

I agree with your position. But did you intentionally mis-spell the guy's name to appear to be the guy on this board? :? (Or did I miss something? Admittedly, I didn't read the whole OP. Sorry.)

oh, I guess I missed a letter

Simple mistake, eh?

It's been corrected. Let it be.