Yossi says "During war there are no civilians"
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It's no surprise that the IDF is responsible for so many indiscriminate killings of civilians, whether Palestinian, Lebanese or international, with quotes like this. I mean, check this out. An Israeli is released early from prison after killing an innocent British activist who was shot in the head: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/se ... m-hurndall.
This is standard practice for the Israeli military- that is, kill and get away with it; in 2005, "an Israeli army officer who fired the entire magazine of his automatic rifle into a 13-year-old Palestinian girl and then said he would have done the same even if she had been three years old" was acquitted of all charges filed against him.... http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/nov/16/israel2
And now this:
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/op ... 65366.html
"During war there are no civilians," that’s what “Yossi,” an Israeli military (IDF) training unit leader simply stated during a round of questioning on day two of the Rachel Corrie trials, held in Haifa’s District Court earlier this week. “When you write a [protocol] manual, that manual is for war,” he added.
For the human rights activists and friends and family of Rachel Corrie sitting in the courtroom, this open admission of an Israeli policy of indiscrimination towards civilians -- Palestinian or foreign -- created an audible gasp.
Yet, put into context, this policy comes as no surprise. The Israeli military’s track record of insouciance towards the killings of Palestinians, from the 1948 massacre of Deir Yassin in Jerusalem to the 2008-2009 attacks on Gaza that killed upwards of 1400 men, women and children, has illustrated that not only is this an entrenched operational framework but rarely has it been challenged until recently.
Rachel Corrie, the young American peace activist from Olympia, Washington, was crushed to death by a Caterpillar D9-R bulldozer, as she and other members of the nonviolent International Solidarity Movement attempted to protect a Palestinian home from imminent demolition on March 16, 2003 in Rafah, Gaza Strip. Corrie has since become a symbol of Palestinian solidarity as her family continues to fight for justice in her name.
Her parents, Cindy and Craig Corrie, filed a civil lawsuit against the State of Israel for Rachel’s unlawful killing -- what they allege was an intentional act -- and this round of testimonies called by the State’s defense team follows the Corries’ witness testimonies last March. The Corries’ lawsuit charges the State with recklessness and a failure to take appropriate measures to protect human life, actions that violate both Israeli and international laws.
Witnesses insisted that the bulldozer driver couldn’t see Rachel Corrie from his perch. The State attorneys called three witnesses to the stand on Sunday and Monday to prove that the killing was unintentional and took place in an area designated as a “closed military zone.” Falling under the definition of an Act of War, their argument sought to absolve the soldiers of liability under Israeli law.
The Rachel Corrie trials focus on one incident, one moment, one death, one family’s grief. However it’s important to include the context within which the Israeli military operated on that day in March of 2003 in order to properly understand the gravity of the trial and the reverberations seven and a half years later.
Yossi, the military training leader, described the area where Corrie was killed as an “active war zone.” The State’s defense argues the same. Yet what was happening in Rafah that was so important to Corrie that she confronted a 4-meter high armored bulldozer in the first place?
According to statistics from Human Rights Watch, Israel had been expanding its so-called “buffer zone” at the southern Gaza border after the breakout of the second Palestinian intifada in late 2000. “By late 2002,” reports HRW, “after the destruction of several hundred houses in Rafah, the IDF began building an eight meter high metal wall along the border.”
The area that Israel designates as its buffer zone has since enveloped nearly 35% of agricultural land, according to an August 2010 report published by the United Nation’s Office of the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA). OCHA says that this policy has affected 113,000 Palestinians inside the Gaza strip over the last ten years as their farms, homes, and villages were intentionally erased from the map.
Rachel Corrie’s nonviolent action -- standing in front of the bulldozer in direct confrontation to this project -- cost her her life.
The home Rachel Corrie died trying to protect was razed, along with hundreds of others. The Gaza Strip remains a sealed ghetto. And countless Palestinian families have not seen justice waged in their favor after the deaths of their loved ones.
In 2005, an arrest warrant was issued against Major General Doron Almog -- a senior soldier in charge of Israel’s Southern Command -- by a British court related to the destruction of 59 homes in Rafah in
2002 under his authority. He was warned before boarding a flight to the UK that he could be arrested upon arrival, and canceled his trip.
Related to the Rachel Corrie case, Maj. Almog gave a direct order to the team of internal investigators to cut the investigations short, according to Israeli army documents obtained by Israeli daily Haaretz.
This indicates that the impunity of Israeli soldiers and policy-makers can -- and will -- be challenged in a court of law. And when the trials continue next month, the Corries will be back in the courtroom in anticipation of a long-sought justice for their daughter.
This is standard practice for the Israeli military- that is, kill and get away with it; in 2005, "an Israeli army officer who fired the entire magazine of his automatic rifle into a 13-year-old Palestinian girl and then said he would have done the same even if she had been three years old" was acquitted of all charges filed against him.... http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/nov/16/israel2
And now this:
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/op ... 65366.html
"During war there are no civilians," that’s what “Yossi,” an Israeli military (IDF) training unit leader simply stated during a round of questioning on day two of the Rachel Corrie trials, held in Haifa’s District Court earlier this week. “When you write a [protocol] manual, that manual is for war,” he added.
For the human rights activists and friends and family of Rachel Corrie sitting in the courtroom, this open admission of an Israeli policy of indiscrimination towards civilians -- Palestinian or foreign -- created an audible gasp.
Yet, put into context, this policy comes as no surprise. The Israeli military’s track record of insouciance towards the killings of Palestinians, from the 1948 massacre of Deir Yassin in Jerusalem to the 2008-2009 attacks on Gaza that killed upwards of 1400 men, women and children, has illustrated that not only is this an entrenched operational framework but rarely has it been challenged until recently.
Rachel Corrie, the young American peace activist from Olympia, Washington, was crushed to death by a Caterpillar D9-R bulldozer, as she and other members of the nonviolent International Solidarity Movement attempted to protect a Palestinian home from imminent demolition on March 16, 2003 in Rafah, Gaza Strip. Corrie has since become a symbol of Palestinian solidarity as her family continues to fight for justice in her name.
Her parents, Cindy and Craig Corrie, filed a civil lawsuit against the State of Israel for Rachel’s unlawful killing -- what they allege was an intentional act -- and this round of testimonies called by the State’s defense team follows the Corries’ witness testimonies last March. The Corries’ lawsuit charges the State with recklessness and a failure to take appropriate measures to protect human life, actions that violate both Israeli and international laws.
Witnesses insisted that the bulldozer driver couldn’t see Rachel Corrie from his perch. The State attorneys called three witnesses to the stand on Sunday and Monday to prove that the killing was unintentional and took place in an area designated as a “closed military zone.” Falling under the definition of an Act of War, their argument sought to absolve the soldiers of liability under Israeli law.
The Rachel Corrie trials focus on one incident, one moment, one death, one family’s grief. However it’s important to include the context within which the Israeli military operated on that day in March of 2003 in order to properly understand the gravity of the trial and the reverberations seven and a half years later.
Yossi, the military training leader, described the area where Corrie was killed as an “active war zone.” The State’s defense argues the same. Yet what was happening in Rafah that was so important to Corrie that she confronted a 4-meter high armored bulldozer in the first place?
According to statistics from Human Rights Watch, Israel had been expanding its so-called “buffer zone” at the southern Gaza border after the breakout of the second Palestinian intifada in late 2000. “By late 2002,” reports HRW, “after the destruction of several hundred houses in Rafah, the IDF began building an eight meter high metal wall along the border.”
The area that Israel designates as its buffer zone has since enveloped nearly 35% of agricultural land, according to an August 2010 report published by the United Nation’s Office of the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA). OCHA says that this policy has affected 113,000 Palestinians inside the Gaza strip over the last ten years as their farms, homes, and villages were intentionally erased from the map.
Rachel Corrie’s nonviolent action -- standing in front of the bulldozer in direct confrontation to this project -- cost her her life.
The home Rachel Corrie died trying to protect was razed, along with hundreds of others. The Gaza Strip remains a sealed ghetto. And countless Palestinian families have not seen justice waged in their favor after the deaths of their loved ones.
In 2005, an arrest warrant was issued against Major General Doron Almog -- a senior soldier in charge of Israel’s Southern Command -- by a British court related to the destruction of 59 homes in Rafah in
2002 under his authority. He was warned before boarding a flight to the UK that he could be arrested upon arrival, and canceled his trip.
Related to the Rachel Corrie case, Maj. Almog gave a direct order to the team of internal investigators to cut the investigations short, according to Israeli army documents obtained by Israeli daily Haaretz.
This indicates that the impunity of Israeli soldiers and policy-makers can -- and will -- be challenged in a court of law. And when the trials continue next month, the Corries will be back in the courtroom in anticipation of a long-sought justice for their daughter.
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the Israeli military's stance is
"during war there are no civilians".
it explains a lot.
fuck man, what do you say to the sniper taking aim at the little kids....he is being trained to treat them like combatants. or the planes dropping bombs....
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i was trying to find an analogy for that quote but can't think of anything as equally stupid...live pearl jam is best pearl jam0
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I agree with your position. But did you intentionally mis-spell the guy's name to appear to be the guy on this board? :? (Or did I miss something? Admittedly, I didn't read the whole OP. Sorry.)0
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just so stupid.hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
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_outlaw wrote:
oh, I guess I missed a letterscb wrote:I agree with your position. But did you intentionally mis-spell the guy's name to appear to be the guy on this board? :? (Or did I miss something? Admittedly, I didn't read the whole OP. Sorry.)
Why not be honest? You get off by trying to rouse people with your thinly-veiled anti-semetic comments.
There is nothing more cowardly then being an anonymous Internet bigot.0 -
i read the whole article and saw that they were talking about an IDF training unit leader by the name of yossi. i was more interested in the context of the post rather than how outlaw spelt something,
anyone who participates in the Israel/Palestine threads is fully aware that the Yosi from the message board is not in the IDF :roll:0 -
disgusting...._outlaw wrote:It's no surprise that the IDF is responsible for so many indiscriminate killings of civilians, whether Palestinian, Lebanese or international, with quotes like this. I mean, check this out. An Israeli is released early from prison after killing an innocent British activist who was shot in the head: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/se ... m-hurndall.
This is standard practice for the Israeli military- that is, kill and get away with it; in 2005, "an Israeli army officer who fired the entire magazine of his automatic rifle into a 13-year-old Palestinian girl and then said he would have done the same even if she had been three years old" was acquitted of all charges filed against him.... http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/nov/16/israel2
And now this:
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/op ... 65366.html
"During war there are no civilians," that’s what “Yossi,” an Israeli military (IDF) training unit leader simply stated during a round of questioning on day two of the Rachel Corrie trials, held in Haifa’s District Court earlier this week. “When you write a [protocol] manual, that manual is for war,” he added.
For the human rights activists and friends and family of Rachel Corrie sitting in the courtroom, this open admission of an Israeli policy of indiscrimination towards civilians -- Palestinian or foreign -- created an audible gasp.
Yet, put into context, this policy comes as no surprise. The Israeli military’s track record of insouciance towards the killings of Palestinians, from the 1948 massacre of Deir Yassin in Jerusalem to the 2008-2009 attacks on Gaza that killed upwards of 1400 men, women and children, has illustrated that not only is this an entrenched operational framework but rarely has it been challenged until recently.
Rachel Corrie, the young American peace activist from Olympia, Washington, was crushed to death by a Caterpillar D9-R bulldozer, as she and other members of the nonviolent International Solidarity Movement attempted to protect a Palestinian home from imminent demolition on March 16, 2003 in Rafah, Gaza Strip. Corrie has since become a symbol of Palestinian solidarity as her family continues to fight for justice in her name.
Her parents, Cindy and Craig Corrie, filed a civil lawsuit against the State of Israel for Rachel’s unlawful killing -- what they allege was an intentional act -- and this round of testimonies called by the State’s defense team follows the Corries’ witness testimonies last March. The Corries’ lawsuit charges the State with recklessness and a failure to take appropriate measures to protect human life, actions that violate both Israeli and international laws.
Witnesses insisted that the bulldozer driver couldn’t see Rachel Corrie from his perch. The State attorneys called three witnesses to the stand on Sunday and Monday to prove that the killing was unintentional and took place in an area designated as a “closed military zone.” Falling under the definition of an Act of War, their argument sought to absolve the soldiers of liability under Israeli law.
The Rachel Corrie trials focus on one incident, one moment, one death, one family’s grief. However it’s important to include the context within which the Israeli military operated on that day in March of 2003 in order to properly understand the gravity of the trial and the reverberations seven and a half years later.
Yossi, the military training leader, described the area where Corrie was killed as an “active war zone.” The State’s defense argues the same. Yet what was happening in Rafah that was so important to Corrie that she confronted a 4-meter high armored bulldozer in the first place?
According to statistics from Human Rights Watch, Israel had been expanding its so-called “buffer zone” at the southern Gaza border after the breakout of the second Palestinian intifada in late 2000. “By late 2002,” reports HRW, “after the destruction of several hundred houses in Rafah, the IDF began building an eight meter high metal wall along the border.”
The area that Israel designates as its buffer zone has since enveloped nearly 35% of agricultural land, according to an August 2010 report published by the United Nation’s Office of the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA). OCHA says that this policy has affected 113,000 Palestinians inside the Gaza strip over the last ten years as their farms, homes, and villages were intentionally erased from the map.
Rachel Corrie’s nonviolent action -- standing in front of the bulldozer in direct confrontation to this project -- cost her her life.
The home Rachel Corrie died trying to protect was razed, along with hundreds of others. The Gaza Strip remains a sealed ghetto. And countless Palestinian families have not seen justice waged in their favor after the deaths of their loved ones.
In 2005, an arrest warrant was issued against Major General Doron Almog -- a senior soldier in charge of Israel’s Southern Command -- by a British court related to the destruction of 59 homes in Rafah in
2002 under his authority. He was warned before boarding a flight to the UK that he could be arrested upon arrival, and canceled his trip.
Related to the Rachel Corrie case, Maj. Almog gave a direct order to the team of internal investigators to cut the investigations short, according to Israeli army documents obtained by Israeli daily Haaretz.
This indicates that the impunity of Israeli soldiers and policy-makers can -- and will -- be challenged in a court of law. And when the trials continue next month, the Corries will be back in the courtroom in anticipation of a long-sought justice for their daughter.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
JOEJOEJOE wrote:_outlaw wrote:
oh, I guess I missed a letterscb wrote:I agree with your position. But did you intentionally mis-spell the guy's name to appear to be the guy on this board? :? (Or did I miss something? Admittedly, I didn't read the whole OP. Sorry.)
Why not be honest? You get off by trying to rouse people with your thinly-veiled anti-semetic comments.
There is nothing more cowardly then being an anonymous Internet bigot.
do you actually have something to say on the article the OP posted?
instead you resort to the unfounded anti-semetic remark. that word gets thrown around oh to often when people don't have anything else to say. so they attack the person. the only reason you call antisemetism here is to take focus off the subject being discussed to try and end discussion about Israel.
you have noting else to say. you can't dispute _outlaws post, so you attack him.
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TriumphantAngel wrote:i read the whole article and saw that they were talking about an IDF training unit leader by the name of yossi. i was more interested in the context of the post rather than how outlaw spelt something,
anyone who participates in the Israel/Palestine threads is fully aware that the Yosi from the message board is not in the IDF :roll:
I was just asking because that's what I thought when I saw the thread title (that it was the guy on this board who said this - not that the guy on this board is in the IDF). But if outlaw said it was a mistake, I believe him.
I didn't mean to detract from the point of the thread.0 -
i believe that Israel does not represent Jewry, and that it is a very important point. their nationalist struggles are secondary to their Jewish identity, one i have faith is moving back towards humanism. look at the thousands who resist zionism, israel's expansionism, israeli violence. there are plenty of Jewish individuals who are standing up against atrocities like this, and it is important to remember that Israel does not represent Jewry.0
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Why not be honest? You get off by trying to rouse people with your thinly-veiled anti-semetic comments.
There is nothing more cowardly then being an anonymous Internet bigot.[/quote]
do you actually have something to say on the article the OP posted?
instead you resort to the unfounded anti-semetic remark. that word gets thrown around oh to often when people don't have anything else to say. so they attack the person. the only reason you call antisemetism here is to take focus off the subject being discussed to try and end discussion about Israel.
you have noting else to say. you can't dispute _outlaws post, so you attack him.
pathetic.[/quote]
Wow! Did Yoda teach you how to read people?
Assess yourself, you should.0 -
what do you mean by this? i'm sure if it were another country we would be just as disgusted. its not just that it is israel that i am disgusted. emptying an entire clip into a 13 year old girl and saying he would do it to a 3 year old girl is just fucking sick no matter what army the guy belongs to. the way i see it, as long as israel or any other country carries out things like this they are open to the harshest of all criticisms....JOEJOEJOE wrote:Assess yourself, you should."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
Where do the civilians go?
I guess thats that's the price to pay with civilization.. Do you take your chances with the stupid decisions of other humans or take your chances with mother nature?
Mother nature is much less merciful. There wouldn't be 7 billion of us under her care, but I'm not sure if I agree with some of civilization's decisions.Post edited by LikeAnOcean on0 -
i tried to fix the thread title so that when the actual yosi shows up and sees the thread title he is not like "WTF!!!???"
i'm not so sure if it worked since i have never done that before... :oops:"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
says the guy who's been following me around different threads and contributing nothing to the discussion? you're not fooling anyone. my arguments speak for themselves so I won't bother defending myself against this nonsense, but I do appreciate how your baseless accusations are countered by your own wave of insults.JOEJOEJOE wrote:_outlaw wrote:
oh, I guess I missed a letterscb wrote:I agree with your position. But did you intentionally mis-spell the guy's name to appear to be the guy on this board? :? (Or did I miss something? Admittedly, I didn't read the whole OP. Sorry.)
Why not be honest? You get off by trying to rouse people with your thinly-veiled anti-semetic comments.
There is nothing more cowardly then being an anonymous Internet bigot.
anyway, please stop derailing this thread.0 -
gimmesometruth27 wrote:i tried to fix the thread title so that when the actual yosi shows up and sees the thread title he is not like "WTF!!!???"
i'm not so sure if it worked since i have never done that before... :oops:
it only worked in the above post and when someone quotes that post.Post edited by catefrances onhear my name
take a good look
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If that is true... then, in retrospect... doesn't that get the Nazis off the hook?Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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ok..first to the OP..i think this is wrong that you wrote Yosi says in the thread tittle..show disrespect to a guy here on the board,no matter if your saying is right or wrong..even i disaggre with alot Yosi says and wrotes this "game" with his name in the tittle is wrong.
second...sad,but true..."during war there are no civilians"indeed..ill say as i say very often
"in war and love everything allowed"
when usa bomb serbia ,when usa bomb irak,there was civilians on the ground..when russia bomb chechenia,
when.when.when..is a nonstop talking..
when its a war ,a bombing. someone loose his life,someone else his child,his brother,his dad,e.t.c
thats the fuckin problem and not what a military said..
if you dont know it,ill tell you cos i know from first hand..military trained to win the wars..with any cost
sad..but true"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”0 -
i don't think _outlaw misspelled the name on purpose...dimitrispearljam wrote:ok..first to the OP..i think this is wrong that you wrote Yosi says in the thread tittle..show disrespect to a guy here on the board,no matter if your saying is right or wrong..even i disaggre with alot Yosi says and wrotes this "game" with his name in the tittle is wrong.
second...sad,but true..."during war there are no civilians"indeed..ill say as i say very often
"in war and love everything allowed"
when usa bomb serbia ,when usa bomb irak,there was civilians on the ground..when russia bomb chechenia,
when.when.when..is a nonstop talking..
when its a war ,a bombing. someone loose his life,someone else his child,his brother,his dad,e.t.c
thats the fuckin problem and not what a military said..
if you dont know it,ill tell you cos i know from first hand..military trained to win the wars..with any cost
sad..but true
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0
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