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Israel soldier posed for photos with bound Arab
Facebook photos draw criticism from Israel, Palestinian officials
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38727852/ns ... tn_africa/
JERUSALEM — A former Israeli soldier posted photos on Facebook of herself in uniform smiling beside bound and blindfolded Palestinian prisoners, drawing sharp criticism Monday from the Israeli military and Palestinian officials.
Israeli news websites and blogs showed two photographs of the woman. In one, she is sitting legs crossed beside a blindfolded Palestinian man who is slumped against a concrete barrier. His face is turned downwards, while she leans toward him with her face upturned. Another shows her smiling at the camera with three Palestinian men with bound hands and blindfolds behind her.
The incident was a reminder of the fraught relations between Israeli soldiers and the West Bank Palestinians under their control.
Israeli soldiers have run into trouble on the social media sites like Facebook and YouTube before. Most recently a group of combat soldiers were reprimanded for breaking into choreographed dance moves while on patrol in the West Bank town of Hebron. The dance featured prominently on YouTube.
Palestinian Authority spokesman Ghassan Khatib condemned the photos and said they pointed to a deeper malaise — how Israel's 43-year-old occupation of Palestinians has affected the Israelis who enforce it.
"This shows the mentality of the occupier," Khatib said, "to be proud of humiliating Palestinians. The occupation is unjust, immoral and, as these pictures show, corrupting."
The Israeli military also criticized the young woman, who Israeli news media and bloggers identified from her Facebook page as Eden Aberjil of the southern Israeli port town of Ashdod. No official confirmed her identity.
"These are disgraceful photos," said Capt. Barak Raz, an Israeli military spokesman. "Aside from matters of information security, we are talking about a serious violation of our morals and our ethical code and should this soldier be serving in active duty today, I would imagine that no doubt she would be court-martialed immediately," he told Associated Press Television News.
It was not clear whether the army could punish the woman, because she has finished her compulsory military service.
The comments by the woman and her friend in an exchange below one photograph suggested how casually the picture was treated, including jokes and sexual innuendoes.
"You're the sexiest like that," her friend wrote.
"I wonder if he's got Facebook!" the woman in the photograph responded. "I have to tag him in the picture!"
Aberjil did not respond to reporters' questions Monday.
The photographs were a reminder of snapshots taken in 2003 by American soldiers at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq that showed Iraqi detainees naked, humiliated and terrified. In that case, some soldiers went to prison after the photos came to light.
The photographs of the Israeli soldier and the Palestinians, by contrast, show no overt physical abuse or coercion of the prisoners, although they are ridiculed in the comments between the soldier and her friends.
Palestinians are routinely handcuffed and blindfolded when they are arrested to stop them from trying to flee.
Israel controls much of the occupied West Bank captured in a 1967 war that Palestinians want as part of a future state along with the Gaza Strip and a capital in East Jerusalem.
In cases where Israeli soldiers and police suspect Palestinians are involved in security breaches, they are sometimes bound and blindfolded while waiting to be taken for questioning.

 
                
                Israel soldier posed for photos with bound Arab
Facebook photos draw criticism from Israel, Palestinian officials
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38727852/ns ... tn_africa/
JERUSALEM — A former Israeli soldier posted photos on Facebook of herself in uniform smiling beside bound and blindfolded Palestinian prisoners, drawing sharp criticism Monday from the Israeli military and Palestinian officials.
Israeli news websites and blogs showed two photographs of the woman. In one, she is sitting legs crossed beside a blindfolded Palestinian man who is slumped against a concrete barrier. His face is turned downwards, while she leans toward him with her face upturned. Another shows her smiling at the camera with three Palestinian men with bound hands and blindfolds behind her.
The incident was a reminder of the fraught relations between Israeli soldiers and the West Bank Palestinians under their control.
Israeli soldiers have run into trouble on the social media sites like Facebook and YouTube before. Most recently a group of combat soldiers were reprimanded for breaking into choreographed dance moves while on patrol in the West Bank town of Hebron. The dance featured prominently on YouTube.
Palestinian Authority spokesman Ghassan Khatib condemned the photos and said they pointed to a deeper malaise — how Israel's 43-year-old occupation of Palestinians has affected the Israelis who enforce it.
"This shows the mentality of the occupier," Khatib said, "to be proud of humiliating Palestinians. The occupation is unjust, immoral and, as these pictures show, corrupting."
The Israeli military also criticized the young woman, who Israeli news media and bloggers identified from her Facebook page as Eden Aberjil of the southern Israeli port town of Ashdod. No official confirmed her identity.
"These are disgraceful photos," said Capt. Barak Raz, an Israeli military spokesman. "Aside from matters of information security, we are talking about a serious violation of our morals and our ethical code and should this soldier be serving in active duty today, I would imagine that no doubt she would be court-martialed immediately," he told Associated Press Television News.
It was not clear whether the army could punish the woman, because she has finished her compulsory military service.
The comments by the woman and her friend in an exchange below one photograph suggested how casually the picture was treated, including jokes and sexual innuendoes.
"You're the sexiest like that," her friend wrote.
"I wonder if he's got Facebook!" the woman in the photograph responded. "I have to tag him in the picture!"
Aberjil did not respond to reporters' questions Monday.
The photographs were a reminder of snapshots taken in 2003 by American soldiers at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq that showed Iraqi detainees naked, humiliated and terrified. In that case, some soldiers went to prison after the photos came to light.
The photographs of the Israeli soldier and the Palestinians, by contrast, show no overt physical abuse or coercion of the prisoners, although they are ridiculed in the comments between the soldier and her friends.
Palestinians are routinely handcuffed and blindfolded when they are arrested to stop them from trying to flee.
Israel controls much of the occupied West Bank captured in a 1967 war that Palestinians want as part of a future state along with the Gaza Strip and a capital in East Jerusalem.
In cases where Israeli soldiers and police suspect Palestinians are involved in security breaches, they are sometimes bound and blindfolded while waiting to be taken for questioning.

 
                "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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            just another example of how Israel deliberately subjects Palestinians to cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment, in order to terrorize, intimidate and humiliate them.
 an article i read in Haaretz earlier, had the girls face blanked out so you couldn't see what she looked like. i thought that was wrong. why would they try and protect her identity?0
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 the guardian had her face blanked out as well. yahoo.com and msnbc both showed her face, which was shocking to me since it is usually those sites smudging out the faces...TriumphantAngel wrote:just another example of how Israel deliberately subjects Palestinians to cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment, in order to terrorize, intimidate and humiliate them.
 an article i read in Haaretz earlier, had the girls face blanked out so you couldn't see what she looked like. i thought that was wrong. why would they try and protect her identity?"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
 "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0
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            This is not unique to Israel/Palestine. Just because you don't often see photos of American soldiers in this manner, it doesn't mean that US detainers don't regularly act this way with their prisoners. I've heard MUCH worse stories, and even viewed private/uncirculated "home" videos of American soldiers behaving VERY unethically. I've never served in the military, but I've learned from those who have that even though our dirty laundry isn't always aired in front of the world, we're just as guilty, if not more, when it comes to these type of acts. Sad...<a href="http://www.facebook.com/camragirl" target="_TOP" title="Colleen Halsdorff Palacios"><img src="http://badge.facebook.com/badge/601453432.7240.30463077.png" width="338" height="84" style="border: 0px;" /></a><!-- Facebook Badge END -->0
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            As an Israeli, I think this idiot girl should definately get some jail time, but to say that this is a generelization of all of Israel is rediculous.Still can't believe I met Mike Mccready at the Guggenheim and got a pic with him!!!!!
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            There was a doc that was shown which had five or six Isralei chicks from the military talking about what they had done. Those pictures don't even touch the tip of the iceberg of the things that they do.The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08 0
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 exactly.....i have to say this..people who wears uniform, is so easy to be assholes.from the power uniform gives,in every country,from any nation..i m in airforce,see it every day,thank God we are in peace..Given To DragonFly wrote:This is not unique to Israel/Palestine. Just because you don't often see photos of American soldiers in this manner, it doesn't mean that US detainers don't regularly act this way with their prisoners. I've heard MUCH worse stories, and even viewed private/uncirculated "home" videos of American soldiers behaving VERY unethically. I've never served in the military, but I've learned from those who have that even though our dirty laundry isn't always aired in front of the world, we're just as guilty, if not more, when it comes to these type of acts. Sad...
 the girl in the foto seems not respect human life..must be punished..the problem is how she grow up..the sad thing is that alot of israelians,or palestines grow up to hate eachothers.,.."...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
 "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
 “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”0
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            Those kind of actions are not limited to Israel. Its what happens when certain people are placed in a posistion of authority and power, they abuse it and those they can abuse. No doubt Israeli soldiers have done far worse as have US and british troops.0
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            rafie wrote:As an Israeli, I think this idiot girl should definately get some jail time, but to say that this is a generelization of all of Israel is rediculous.
 ok - we can agree this soldier was acting like an idiot (guess her training sucked) ... but in any case - do you think it's ok to handcuff and blindfold palestinians that are being brought in for questioning? ... these people don't necessarily have a criminal record ... if israel suspects you of something - it is ok to handcuff and blindfold?0
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 you mean like Guantanamo treatment way?polaris_x wrote:rafie wrote:As an Israeli, I think this idiot girl should definately get some jail time, but to say that this is a generelization of all of Israel is rediculous.
 ok - we can agree this soldier was acting like an idiot (guess her training sucked) ... but in any case - do you think it's ok to handcuff and blindfold palestinians that are being brought in for questioning? ... these people don't necessarily have a criminal record ... if israel suspects you of something - it is ok to handcuff and blindfold?"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
 "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
 “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”0
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            dimitrispearljam wrote:you mean like Guantanamo treatment way?
 well ... i wouldn't go so far as that ... in guantanamo, they had barking dogs in their faces and they were forced into sexual positions for shits and giggles ...0
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 so sad all this...it will never ends,for sure..polaris_x wrote:dimitrispearljam wrote:you mean like Guantanamo treatment way?
 well ... i wouldn't go so far as that ... in guantanamo, they had barking dogs in their faces and they were forced into sexual positions for shits and giggles ..."...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
 "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
 “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”0
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            polaris_x wrote:rafie wrote:As an Israeli, I think this idiot girl should definately get some jail time, but to say that this is a generelization of all of Israel is rediculous.
 ok - we can agree this soldier was acting like an idiot (guess her training sucked) ... but in any case - do you think it's ok to handcuff and blindfold palestinians that are being brought in for questioning? ... these people don't necessarily have a criminal record ... if israel suspects you of something - it is ok to handcuff and blindfold?
 The blind folding, from my point of view, serves mostly as a deterrent to prevent them from planning any kind of attack while being held. I do not think that it is always needed, but sometimes yes.
 As for the handcuffing, that in my eyes is a must when transferring detainees. Most of the people being detained are wanted for possible terrorist activity or connection to such activities. Many of them are dangerous and would do harm to the Israeli solders if presented with the opportunity.Still can't believe I met Mike Mccready at the Guggenheim and got a pic with him!!!!!
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            rafie wrote:The blind folding, from my point of view, serves mostly as a deterrent to prevent them from planning any kind of attack while being held. I do not think that it is always needed, but sometimes yes.
 As for the handcuffing, that in my eyes is a must when transferring detainees. Most of the people being detained are wanted for possible terrorist activity or connection to such activities. Many of them are dangerous and would do harm to the Israeli solders if presented with the opportunity.
 uhhh ... is there no innocent until proven guilty notion in israel? ... are you truly a democracy that respects human rights if you are handcuffing and blindfolding just people of interest? ... many of these guys get let go after questioning ...
 we're not talking about actual people who committed crimes - these are just people they want to question and it could be for whatever reason ...0
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 when they transfer prisoner must be in handcuffing...when they are in a yard of a prison must be free of anything,,prisoner have rights...i think they are like this for make fun of them,the girl and the fotographer..rafie wrote:polaris_x wrote:rafie wrote:As an Israeli, I think this idiot girl should definately get some jail time, but to say that this is a generelization of all of Israel is rediculous.
 ok - we can agree this soldier was acting like an idiot (guess her training sucked) ... but in any case - do you think it's ok to handcuff and blindfold palestinians that are being brought in for questioning? ... these people don't necessarily have a criminal record ... if israel suspects you of something - it is ok to handcuff and blindfold?
 The blind folding, from my point of view, serves mostly as a deterrent to prevent them from planning any kind of attack while being held. I do not think that it is always needed, but sometimes yes.
 As for the handcuffing, that in my eyes is a must when transferring detainees. Most of the people being detained are wanted for possible terrorist activity or connection to such activities. Many of them are dangerous and would do harm to the Israeli solders if presented with the opportunity.
 this is wrong...again.. when u have the power..you use it in bad ways..ofcourse im sure if hamas get a israelian soldier as a prisoner,he will have the same luck with those poor people iin this fotos"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
 "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
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 no matter if u are guilty or not for me is the same..if u are a prisoner till the court deside u must be treated the same,,if u stole a wallet or kill someone they must treat you the same..by the law..no beating,no blind folding,no handcuff when you are out of your cell for your free time and walk in jail..even your name is cohen,or amdul..polaris_x wrote:rafie wrote:The blind folding, from my point of view, serves mostly as a deterrent to prevent them from planning any kind of attack while being held. I do not think that it is always needed, but sometimes yes.
 As for the handcuffing, that in my eyes is a must when transferring detainees. Most of the people being detained are wanted for possible terrorist activity or connection to such activities. Many of them are dangerous and would do harm to the Israeli solders if presented with the opportunity.
 uhhh ... is there no innocent until proven guilty notion in israel? ... are you truly a democracy that respects human rights if you are handcuffing and blindfolding just people of interest? ... many of these guys get let go after questioning ...
 we're not talking about actual people who committed crimes - these are just people they want to question and it could be for whatever reason ..."...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
 "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
 “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”0
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            polaris_x wrote:dimitrispearljam wrote:you mean like Guantanamo treatment way?
 well ... i wouldn't go so far as that ... in guantanamo, they had barking dogs in their faces and they were forced into sexual positions for shits and giggles ...
 yup, and then they got some of the best medical treatment anybody could ask for.0
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 If the detained group was familiar with each other, then the blindfolds would serve to cut off communication by eye contact. Judging by the pictures, they appear to be in a make-shift (i hope) detention center. It is probably for safety protocol.polaris_x wrote:rafie wrote:The blind folding, from my point of view, serves mostly as a deterrent to prevent them from planning any kind of attack while being held. I do not think that it is always needed, but sometimes yes.
 As for the handcuffing, that in my eyes is a must when transferring detainees. Most of the people being detained are wanted for possible terrorist activity or connection to such activities. Many of them are dangerous and would do harm to the Israeli solders if presented with the opportunity.
 uhhh ... is there no innocent until proven guilty notion in israel? ... are you truly a democracy that respects human rights if you are handcuffing and blindfolding just people of interest? ... many of these guys get let go after questioning ...
 we're not talking about actual people who committed crimes - these are just people they want to question and it could be for whatever reason ...
 Typically is US jails, suspects are handcuffed or held in secured detention for a period of time (24-48 hours) until it is determined if charges will be brought up against them. They are usually not blindfolded, but those suspects are usually lone individuals not capable of instigating a concerted escape / attack.Be Excellent To Each OtherParty On, Dudes!0
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 BUT THEY PAY THE PRICE FOR THAT...AND WAS FUCKIN EXPENSIVE...OnTheEdge wrote:polaris_x wrote:dimitrispearljam wrote:you mean like Guantanamo treatment way?
 well ... i wouldn't go so far as that ... in guantanamo, they had barking dogs in their faces and they were forced into sexual positions for shits and giggles ...
 yup, and then they got some of the best medical treatment anybody could ask for."...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
 "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
 “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”0
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 how do you know that? these links say otherwise...OnTheEdge wrote:polaris_x wrote:dimitrispearljam wrote:you mean like Guantanamo treatment way?
 well ... i wouldn't go so far as that ... in guantanamo, they had barking dogs in their faces and they were forced into sexual positions for shits and giggles ...
 yup, and then they got some of the best medical treatment anybody could ask for.
 http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/06/ ... 9386.shtml
 http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/t ... -site.html
 doesn't sound like decent medical treatment to me.... medical treatment includes mental health and treatment..."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
 "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0
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 you guys are missing the point....this "soldier" took pics with a very flippant attitude towards those that were bound and posted them on facebook, where her and her friends mocked them...rafie wrote:polaris_x wrote:rafie wrote:As an Israeli, I think this idiot girl should definately get some jail time, but to say that this is a generelization of all of Israel is rediculous.
 ok - we can agree this soldier was acting like an idiot (guess her training sucked) ... but in any case - do you think it's ok to handcuff and blindfold palestinians that are being brought in for questioning? ... these people don't necessarily have a criminal record ... if israel suspects you of something - it is ok to handcuff and blindfold?
 The blind folding, from my point of view, serves mostly as a deterrent to prevent them from planning any kind of attack while being held. I do not think that it is always needed, but sometimes yes.
 As for the handcuffing, that in my eyes is a must when transferring detainees. Most of the people being detained are wanted for possible terrorist activity or connection to such activities. Many of them are dangerous and would do harm to the Israeli solders if presented with the opportunity."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
 "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0
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