"If I Hadn't Found Jesus..." From the Onion

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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    arq wrote:
    know1 wrote:
    Oh really? I thought it was real :roll:

    My comment was not a joke, though, and comes from observation of more than just this one thread.

    You must know by now that as soon as anything "religious" shows up it will receive these kind of replys, that's why you have to take it less serious, lighten up :D

    I understand that, but I chose to ignore the religious aspect to a large extent and asked a question about fogiveness. Why is forgiveness a bad thing....whether it comes from religion or not?
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    know1 wrote:
    arq wrote:
    know1 wrote:
    Oh really? I thought it was real :roll:

    My comment was not a joke, though, and comes from observation of more than just this one thread.

    You must know by now that as soon as anything "religious" shows up it will receive these kind of replys, that's why you have to take it less serious, lighten up :D

    I understand that, but I chose to ignore the religious aspect to a large extent and asked a question about fogiveness. Why is forgiveness a bad thing....whether it comes from religion or not?
    The article's a joke but I think it also shows how some people take advantage of 'forgiveness'.
    I mean, you can do all the shit you want if you know you can just ask for forgiveness later and some priest will forgive you.

    We used to have this neighbour that would abuse her kid verbally and physically. She'd lock him outside in the cold and rain - but it was okay cause she would go to church every week and ask God for forgiveness.
    live pearl jam is best pearl jam
  • supersonicyears
    supersonicyears Posts: 2,619
    haffajappa wrote:
    know1 wrote:
    arq wrote:



    You must know by now that as soon as anything "religious" shows up it will receive these kind of replys, that's why you have to take it less serious, lighten up :D

    I understand that, but I chose to ignore the religious aspect to a large extent and asked a question about fogiveness. Why is forgiveness a bad thing....whether it comes from religion or not?
    The article's a joke but I think it also shows how some people take advantage of 'forgiveness'.
    I mean, you can do all the shit you want if you know you can just ask for forgiveness later and some priest will forgive you.

    We used to have this neighbour that would abuse her kid verbally and physically. She'd lock him outside in the cold and rain - but it was okay cause she would go to church every week and ask God for forgiveness.

    You are misguided. One can speak words asking for forgiveness. God knows what is truly in your heart.

    Did you and your family do something to help the child who was being abused??
    "In the age of darkness
    want to be enlightened"
  • JOEJOEJOE
    JOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,829
    I understand that, but I chose to ignore the religious aspect to a large extent and asked a question about fogiveness. Why is forgiveness a bad thing....whether it comes from religion or not?[/quote]
    The article's a joke but I think it also shows how some people take advantage of 'forgiveness'.
    I mean, you can do all the shit you want if you know you can just ask for forgiveness later and some priest will forgive you.

    We used to have this neighbour that would abuse her kid verbally and physically. She'd lock him outside in the cold and rain - but it was okay cause she would go to church every week and ask God for forgiveness.[/quote]

    You are misguided. One can speak words asking for forgiveness. God knows what is truly in your heart.

    Did you and your family do something to help the child who was being abused??[/quote]

    Does one who feels forgiveness, simply because he/she asks for it, really learn anything?

    If all people have to do is simply ask for forgiveness, what sort of deterrent is that to committing the same acts in the future?
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    Does one who feels forgiveness, simply because he/she asks for it, really learn anything?

    If all people have to do is simply ask for forgiveness, what sort of deterrent is that to committing the same acts in the future?

    But here's my question again: What does it matter to YOU whether the person actually regrets what they did or not? It makes no difference to YOU, so why would it bother YOU?

    Forgiveness is not a bad thing. Wishing negative consequences on someone - even if they did you harm - is a bad thing.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • supersonicyears
    supersonicyears Posts: 2,619
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    I understand that, but I chose to ignore the religious aspect to a large extent and asked a question about fogiveness. Why is forgiveness a bad thing....whether it comes from religion or not?
    The article's a joke but I think it also shows how some people take advantage of 'forgiveness'.
    I mean, you can do all the shit you want if you know you can just ask for forgiveness later and some priest will forgive you.

    We used to have this neighbour that would abuse her kid verbally and physically. She'd lock him outside in the cold and rain - but it was okay cause she would go to church every week and ask God for forgiveness.[/quote]

    You are misguided. One can speak words asking for forgiveness. God knows what is truly in your heart.

    Did you and your family do something to help the child who was being abused??[/quote]

    Does one who feels forgiveness, simply because he/she asks for it, really learn anything?

    If all people have to do is simply ask for forgiveness, what sort of deterrent is that to committing the same acts in the future?[/quote]

    If someone punches someone in the nose, then says I'm sorry, will you forgive me? Then laughs and punches the person in the nose again, did they really mean they were sorry?
    No. They never really meant they were sorry. If they did mean they were sorry, they would have done anything possible to try not to punch the person in the nose again. They would have felt what they had done was wrong and realized how they were wrong for doing it.
    God knows what's in someone's heart.
    "In the age of darkness
    want to be enlightened"
  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    Jason P wrote:
    The Onion has always been great. I think their videos have outstanding production values.

    This link is to one of my favorite bits that mocks Bret Favre by doing a story on a Packer's fan who announces he will put off retirement and be back for one more year of drinking.

    http://www.theonion.com/video/packers-fan-announces-he-will-return-to-drinking-f,14397/


    This is outstanding!
  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    Beach wrote:

    You are misguided. One can speak words asking for forgiveness. God knows what is truly in your heart.

    Did you and your family do something to help the child who was being abused??
    As much as we could, he ate and stayed at our house whenever he wanted.
    They moved shortly after.


    And P.S., you don't know anything about me, so don't pretend to think you do.
    Just because people don't believe in your religion, don't preach that they're misguided.
    live pearl jam is best pearl jam
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    haffajappa wrote:
    The article's a joke but I think it also shows how some people take advantage of 'forgiveness'.
    I mean, you can do all the shit you want if you know you can just ask for forgiveness later and some priest will forgive you.

    We used to have this neighbour that would abuse her kid verbally and physically. She'd lock him outside in the cold and rain - but it was okay cause she would go to church every week and ask God for forgiveness.
    some people are just horrible.

    proof that going to church doesn't necessarily make you a christian, any more than standing in a garage makes you a car.
  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    haffajappa wrote:
    The article's a joke but I think it also shows how some people take advantage of 'forgiveness'.
    I mean, you can do all the shit you want if you know you can just ask for forgiveness later and some priest will forgive you.

    We used to have this neighbour that would abuse her kid verbally and physically. She'd lock him outside in the cold and rain - but it was okay cause she would go to church every week and ask God for forgiveness.
    some people are just horrible.

    proof that going to church doesn't necessarily make you a christian, any more than standing in a garage makes you a car.
    HAHAHA...
    so corny but funny, must be a sunny friday afternoon, yep.
    i don't know why i LOL'd at that... not saying it wasn't deep and intuitive of course ;)
    live pearl jam is best pearl jam
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    haffajappa wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    haffajappa wrote:
    The article's a joke but I think it also shows how some people take advantage of 'forgiveness'.
    I mean, you can do all the shit you want if you know you can just ask for forgiveness later and some priest will forgive you.

    We used to have this neighbour that would abuse her kid verbally and physically. She'd lock him outside in the cold and rain - but it was okay cause she would go to church every week and ask God for forgiveness.
    some people are just horrible.

    proof that going to church doesn't necessarily make you a christian, any more than standing in a garage makes you a car.
    HAHAHA...
    so corny but funny, must be a sunny friday afternoon, yep.
    i don't know why i LOL'd at that... not saying it wasn't deep and intuitive of course ;)
    lol..
    it's just so true!
  • arq
    arq Posts: 8,101
    haffajappa wrote:
    i don't know why i LOL'd at that... not saying it wasn't deep and intuitive of course ;)

    You LOL'd because you don't have a soul :P (j/K(?))

    I used to heard that phrase back when i was a believer, is one of those things that the pastors a preachers like to scream to push you to be more christian than saint Paul... BS in all its glory :lol:
    "The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"
    Neil deGrasse Tyson

    Why not (V) (°,,,,°) (V) ?
  • JOEJOEJOE
    JOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,829
    know1 wrote:
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    Does one who feels forgiveness, simply because he/she asks for it, really learn anything?

    If all people have to do is simply ask for forgiveness, what sort of deterrent is that to committing the same acts in the future?

    But here's my question again: What does it matter to YOU whether the person actually regrets what they did or not? It makes no difference to YOU, so why would it bother YOU?

    Forgiveness is not a bad thing. Wishing negative consequences on someone - even if they did you harm - is a bad thing.

    If someone does something wrong, it does make a difference to me whether or not their regret is real. If someone shows false regret, they may be given the freedom to commit a similar bad act.

    Forgiveness is not a bad thing, but in some cases, someone may have to face negative consequences in order to lessen the chances of them committing the same act again.

    Infinite forgiveness leads to chaos and lack of personal responsibility.
  • supersonicyears
    supersonicyears Posts: 2,619
    haffajappa wrote:
    Beach wrote:

    You are misguided. One can speak words asking for forgiveness. God knows what is truly in your heart.

    Did you and your family do something to help the child who was being abused??
    As much as we could, he ate and stayed at our house whenever he wanted.
    They moved shortly after.


    And P.S., you don't know anything about me, so don't pretend to think you do.
    Just because people don't believe in your religion, don't preach that they're misguided.

    It's too bad your family didn't get the police involved in something so abusive.

    Me saying you are misguided doesn't have to do with you not believing in my religion. It has to do with you not having the understanding of what being sorry means and asking forgiveness. Asking forgiveness and meaning it is a simple concept for all of humanity no matter what you believe. Isn't it?
    Why would you think I would think I know anything about you, other than your attacks on Christianity?
    Don't stereotype and twist the Christian religion. Don't pretend you're not.
    "In the age of darkness
    want to be enlightened"
  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    Beach wrote:
    haffajappa wrote:
    Beach wrote:

    You are misguided. One can speak words asking for forgiveness. God knows what is truly in your heart.

    Did you and your family do something to help the child who was being abused??
    As much as we could, he ate and stayed at our house whenever he wanted.
    They moved shortly after.


    And P.S., you don't know anything about me, so don't pretend to think you do.
    Just because people don't believe in your religion, don't preach that they're misguided.

    It's too bad your family didn't get the police involved in something so abusive.

    Me saying you are misguided doesn't have to do with you not believing in my religion. It has to do with you not having the understanding of what being sorry means and asking forgiveness. Asking forgiveness and meaning it is a simple concept for all of humanity no matter what you believe. Isn't it?
    Why would you think I would think I know anything about you, other than your attacks on Christianity?
    Don't stereotype and twist the Christian religion. Don't pretend you're not.
    Oh I don't have to, it does it to itself! (:
    live pearl jam is best pearl jam
  • supersonicyears
    supersonicyears Posts: 2,619
    haffajappa wrote:
    Oh I don't have to, it does it to itself! (:

    :roll: Have a nice evening. Sweet dreams.
    "In the age of darkness
    want to be enlightened"
  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    Beach wrote:
    haffajappa wrote:
    Oh I don't have to, it does it to itself! (:

    :roll: Have a nice evening. Sweet dreams.
    Thanks, you too! ♥
    live pearl jam is best pearl jam
  • tinkerbell
    tinkerbell New Zealand Posts: 2,161
    Wow I forgot how heated things get when people can't take a joke! Lets all take a deep breath and say sorry to each other.

    Fogiveness is a personal thing - not a spiritual thing. If a murderer can choose to forgive themselves for horrific acts then so be it. If what the bible says is true that all you need to do is ask for forgiveness and all those murderers and rapists are forgiven - then I think I'll try my hand at hell.
    all you need is love, love is all you need
  • ONCE DEVIDED
    ONCE DEVIDED Posts: 1,131
    Bing, bang, boom. Salvation
    [/quote]
    Of course you would believe a fictional story since you haffajappa and once devided are so bright. Stop twisting the Christian religion. I don't see you attacking other religions. Why do you "bright" :lol: children do this?[/quote]


    Hmm why would I have a go at the Christian religon based on this.
    Maybe it was the years of emotional and physical abuse at the hands of my father who represents a group of nuns who have taken a vvbow of silence.
    maybe its the fact that no matter how much I have asked for him to apologise so that I CAN BEGIN TO FORGIVE
    but No he has said sorry to his almighty father, he does not need to actualy apologise to those whos lives he ruined.
    Thats why I have a big problem with the Christians. And I have a great right. and a great knowledge of the hypocrosy this religon is
    AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE
  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    ONCE DEVIDED wrote:


    Hmm why would I have a go at the Christian religon based on this.
    Maybe it was the years of emotional and physical abuse at the hands of my father who represents a group of nuns who have taken a vvbow of silence.
    maybe its the fact that no matter how much I have asked for him to apologise so that I CAN BEGIN TO FORGIVE
    but No he has said sorry to his almighty father, he does not need to actualy apologise to those whos lives he ruined.
    Thats why I have a big problem with the Christians. And I have a great right. and a great knowledge of the hypocrosy this religon is
    ehhhh don't listen to that ninkompoop... he clearly doesn't get that we all know what the onion is...

    we all have our reasons for believing what we believe but only some will exhaust themselves by pushing their beliefs on others, or at least try to elevate themselves to moral high ground by pointing the finger at us "sinners" ;)
    live pearl jam is best pearl jam

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