ATT's Censorship of PJ Mentioned in Recent Congressional Testimony

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  • 4Powers20
    4Powers20 Posts: 1,231
    Crazy Breed wrote:
    just because you own a company doesn't all the sudden give you the right to defy the constitution (the supreme law of the land)

    only Bush can do that (sarcasm)

    A company has a right to determine what is presented to the public when it thier name on the product.


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  • U R A Crazy Breed
    U R A Crazy Breed Posts: 8,370
    4Powers20 wrote:
    A company has a right to determine what is presented to the public when it thier name on the product.


    to a certain extent.they don't have de facto powers.
  • U R A Crazy Breed
    U R A Crazy Breed Posts: 8,370
    4Powers20 wrote:
    AT&T has the right to censor anything it wants to when it is thier "product".


    no they don't.
  • 4Powers20
    4Powers20 Posts: 1,231
    Crazy Breed wrote:
    no they don't.

    except for "warnings" or "Ingredients" and stuff like that sure they do.


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  • U R A Crazy Breed
    U R A Crazy Breed Posts: 8,370
    4Powers20 wrote:
    except for "warnings" or "Ingredients" and stuff like that sure they do.

    in the case of profanity,yes,they do.

    when it comes to political statements,no they don't.
  • Two Birds
    Two Birds Posts: 256
    Crazy Breed wrote:
    AT&T DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO FUCK WITH THE !ST AMENDMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    PERIOD,END OF FUCKING STORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Amen!!!
    Peace,
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  • 4Powers20
    4Powers20 Posts: 1,231
    Crazy Breed wrote:
    in the case of profanity,yes,they do.

    when it comes to political statements,no they don't.


    If I own a magazine and I do an interview with someone and they go into. lets say, the holocaust never happened, I absolutely have the right not to publish it in my magazine. Are you saying I would have to include it, even though it is my magazine and my reputation and livelyhood at risk from backlash?


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  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    4Powers20 wrote:
    If I own a magazine and I do an interview with someone and they go into. lets say, the holocaust never happened, I absolutely have the right not to publish it in my magazine. Are you saying I would have to include it, even though it is my magazine and my reputation and livelyhood at risk from backlash?


    I don't really see how that would affect you any. It was the guy that said it, not you. You interviewed Mel, Mel said shit that would offend people, so Mel gets the repercussions. How you could be held responsible for what someone else said is beyond me. Unless your magazine already endorsed the idea of a holocaust conspiracy then the mag wouldn't be affected.
  • Kel Varnsen
    Kel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    Crazy Breed wrote:
    AT&T DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO FUCK WITH THE !ST AMENDMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    PERIOD,END OF FUCKING STORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Doesn't the first amendment only say that the government can't make laws prohibiting free speech? Since when is the guy who runs the AT&T website considered the government?

    Personally I think they can do anything they want with the stuff that is on their website (as long as it is not in breach of contract). It is the same way if I buy an expensive painting, realize I don't like it and take a paint roller to it, am I infringing on the artist's free speech?
  • U R A Crazy Breed
    U R A Crazy Breed Posts: 8,370
    4Powers20 wrote:
    If I own a magazine and I do an interview with someone and they go into. lets say, the holocaust never happened, I absolutely have the right not to publish it in my magazine. Are you saying I would have to include it, even though it is my magazine and my reputation and livelyhood at risk from backlash?

    so you think that AT&T can censor/alter whatever they want and PJ has no rights just because it was an AT&T SPONSORED event?
  • U R A Crazy Breed
    U R A Crazy Breed Posts: 8,370
    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    It is the same way if I buy an expensive painting, realize I don't like it and take a paint roller to it, am I infringing on the artist's free speech?

    apples and oranges.
  • 4Powers20
    4Powers20 Posts: 1,231
    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    I don't really see how that would affect you any. It was the guy that said it, not you. You interviewed Mel, Mel said shit that would offend people, so Mel gets the repercussions. How you could be held responsible for what someone else said is beyond me. Unless your magazine already endorsed the idea of a holocaust conspiracy then the mag wouldn't be affected.

    The pont is I have the right not to include it if I dont want to. That is MY right.


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  • Kel Varnsen
    Kel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    Crazy Breed wrote:
    apples and oranges.

    How is someone's art that I paid for being displayed in my home any different than someone's art that AT&T paid for (sponsored) being displayed on their website? They didn't actually stop him from saying what he wanted to say, all they did was stop it from being shown on their site.
  • U R A Crazy Breed
    U R A Crazy Breed Posts: 8,370
    just because AT&T isn't a part of the federal government doesn't mean they can just do what ever they want.
  • U R A Crazy Breed
    U R A Crazy Breed Posts: 8,370
    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    How is someone's art that I paid for being displayed in my home any different than someone's art that AT&T paid for (sponsored) being displayed on their website?


    music is copy written.paintings are not.

    you buy the painting it's yours,you are free to do with it as you please.My freedom of speech is not for sale and you don't have the right to do with it as you please.
  • 4Powers20
    4Powers20 Posts: 1,231
    Crazy Breed wrote:
    so you think that AT&T can censor/alter whatever they want and PJ has no rights just because it was an AT&T SPONSORED event?

    They didnt censor Eddie at the event. They censored the broadcast that they put out there for FREE. IF they went up to Eddie before the show and said "you are not allowed to say this or that" that would be AT&T censoring Eddie. You are going after a company that is allowing people who cant be there to watch a show for FREE. Maybe next time they will charge us, run a disclaimer, and not bleep or drop any audio.


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  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    4Powers20 wrote:
    The pont is I have the right not to include it if I dont want to. That is MY right.


    I understand that. I'm just saying hiding under the banner of "supposed backlash" doesn't hold up.
  • U R A Crazy Breed
    U R A Crazy Breed Posts: 8,370
    The people shall not be deprived or abridged of their right to speak, to write, or to publish their sentiments; and the freedom of the press, as one of the great bulwarks of liberty, shall be inviolable.
  • 4Powers20
    4Powers20 Posts: 1,231
    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    I understand that. I'm just saying hiding under the banner of "supposed backlash" doesn't hold up.

    When Imus made that comment about the Rutgers girls Basketball team, Sharpton was able to get him fired because he threatened CBS's advertisers with a boycott. Granted it is a little different because Imus was an employee of CBS, but still it is very similar.


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  • 4Powers20
    4Powers20 Posts: 1,231
    Crazy Breed wrote:
    The people shall not be deprived or abridged of their right to speak, to write, or to publish their sentiments; and the freedom of the press, as one of the great bulwarks of liberty, shall be inviolable.

    And he wasnt. I was there. He said it.


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