I'm conflicted about the idea of patriotism

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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    Your Mom Made Me Pancakes wrote:
    Heavy is the head that wears the crown, and all that.

    this is precisely the attitude that I DO NOT like.
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  • Your Mom Made Me Pancakes
    Your Mom Made Me Pancakes Posts: 169
    I like it.

    I like being the big kid on the block.

    If you want to be part of a failing, tried-again, Socialist experiment, move to Europe.

    And if you, like our illegitimate Prez, think that by weakening our position in the world, countries will "like" us again, then you might as well start teaching your kids Chinese.
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Patriotism has nothing to do with anything you listed here. What you're referring too is your specific national pride, not patriotism as a whole. If everyone thinks too highly of their own nation, it leads to wars and problems.

    And I find it funny when people throw around the old "teach your kid to speak x" jargon. The last time our nation was invaded by a foreign army who was trying to conquer was in the 1800's. And if you believe this will occur in our modern age, you may need to contact a doctor for help.
    Your Mom Made Me Pancakes wrote:
    I like it.

    I like being the big kid on the block.

    If you want to be part of a failing, tried-again, Socialist experiment, move to Europe.

    And if you, like our illegitimate Prez, think that by weakening our position in the world, countries will "like" us again, then you might as well start teaching your kids Chinese.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    Your Mom Made Me Pancakes wrote:
    I like it.

    I like being the big kid on the block.

    If you want to be part of a failing, tried-again, Socialist experiment, move to Europe.

    And if you, like our illegitimate Prez, think that by weakening our position in the world, countries will "like" us again, then you might as well start teaching your kids Chinese.

    whether the US is the "big kid on the block" or not is irrelevant. It's the fact that you (and many others) are PROUD of being the world's bully is what sickens me.

    Illegitimate prez? How is he not legitimate? I'm pretty sure he was voted in without the supreme court getting involved.
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Billy Pumpkin wrote:
    whether the US is the "big kid on the block" or not is irrelevant. It's the fact that you (and many others) are PROUD of being the world's bully is what sickens me.

    Illegitimate prez? How is he not legitimate? I'm pretty sure he was voted in without the supreme court getting involved.

    save yourself and respond to people that are worth responding to ... i'm not sure when - but he will soon find himself banned yet again ...
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    Godfather. wrote:
    if not for the men and women that founded our nations and the men and women that keep them free who knows where we'd be right now...maybe living in a place where war is in your front yard everyday
    and has been for hundreds of years, you only have to watch the news from time to time to see how lucky we are to live in the country's we live in and have the patriotic men and women to defend us and allow us our freedom opinion and voice to use as we see fit.

    Godfather.
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  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    Patriotism is like religion, or love, or any other emotion-based thought process. Devotion to a (noun) is not a bad thing, unless it is blind and unquestioning....
    And...using patriotism or nationalism as an excuse to push one's culture on another is a pretty f'n heinous crime from my moral standpoint. Thing is, most of the people who do so are too stupid to realize they're doing it.
  • Your Mom Made Me Pancakes
    Your Mom Made Me Pancakes Posts: 169
    Not the world's bully, it's foremost superpower.

    It's not a playground, child.

    And look at the censorship by Polaris-X. Let people respond and talk to who they want to.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Drowned Out wrote:
    Patriotism is like religion, or love, or any other emotion-based thought process. Devotion to a (noun) is not a bad thing, unless it is blind and unquestioning....
    And...using patriotism or nationalism as an excuse to push one's culture on another is a pretty f'n heinous crime from my moral standpoint. Thing is, most of the people who do so are too stupid to realize they're doing it.

    I disagree.

    Godfather.
  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    Godfather. wrote:
    Drowned Out wrote:
    Patriotism is like religion, or love, or any other emotion-based thought process. Devotion to a (noun) is not a bad thing, unless it is blind and unquestioning....
    And...using patriotism or nationalism as an excuse to push one's culture on another is a pretty f'n heinous crime from my moral standpoint. Thing is, most of the people who do so are too stupid to realize they're doing it.

    I disagree.

    Godfather.

    well then, case closed.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,436
    Godfather. wrote:
    if not for the men and women that founded our nations and the men and women that keep them free who knows where we'd be right now...maybe living in a place where war is in your front yard everyday
    and has been for hundreds of years, you only have to watch the news from time to time to see how lucky we are to live in the country's we live in and have the patriotic men and women to defend us and allow us our freedom opinion and voice to use as we see fit.
    Well said.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,436
    Drowned Out wrote:
    Patriotism is like religion, or love, or any other emotion-based thought process. Devotion to a (noun) is not a bad thing, unless it is blind and unquestioning....
    And...using patriotism or nationalism as an excuse to push one's culture on another is a pretty f'n heinous crime from my moral standpoint. Thing is, most of the people who do so are too stupid to realize they're doing it.
    Also, well said.
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Your Mom Made Me Pancakes wrote:
    Not the world's bully, it's foremost superpower.

    It's not a playground, child.

    And look at the censorship by Polaris-X. Let people respond and talk to who they want to.

    1. people CAN respond to talk to who they want ... it was only a suggestion on my part ... i don't control the board

    2. if you are gonna send me rude pms - at least give me the opportunity to respond ... sending a pm and then disabling it is kinda weak don't you think?

    thanks for proving my point tho ... all class you are ... :lol:
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    I think I'll take Polaris' advice.
    :D
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  • Your Mom Made Me Pancakes
    Your Mom Made Me Pancakes Posts: 169
    As one of a few conservatives on this site, I have disabled the PM along time ago.

    You and your comrades are SO polite, I was overwhelmed by the kind things that were said.

    Have a nice day. :lol:
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    I completely disagree. This is one of the most over-stated uber-nationalist statements our citizens and leaders toss around.

    Firstly, albeit our nation was founded upon wonderful and highly respectful morals, ideals and codes, history has shown from the minute we were a nation until this day, those rules do not apply to everyone equally. Whether it was slavery, the right to vote, equal rights, land rights, the move westward and many other basic freedoms which applied to groups we deem as less than equal. It's a glaring hypocrisy of our actual practice compared to the tenets our nation was founded upon. All men are created equal in practice has never, ever meant anything to the chosen and select few it was intended to represent.

    Secondly, no one in any field of work should solely be respected or paid honor too because of their choice of career. We haven't had a draft since Vietnam, roughly 40-50 years ago. Also to delude yourself into thinking that our soldiers being elsewhere and in many cases not having to do anything but protect our economic interests somehow protects our rights home is ridiculous. You can easily look back at history and read all about how much of foreign policy, wars and issues stems from our self-interest being portrayed in an defensive manner and then correlated to riling up the citizens to get behind it. Whether it was removing the British, the Civil War, killing the Indians, the Mexican war, WW2, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan and others I have left out. We haven't fought a war that actually protected our citizens since WW2 and even that had some underlying instances which it suitable our personal necessity to be involved, not some grandiose noble mission as many would have you believe.

    Lastly, it has been a very rare instance that a foreign threat even cares about America's freedoms enough to take it over. We can say the British during our founding and then probably the Nazi's/Japanese during WW2. The Cold War was completely different because it was merely escalation through expansion to other nations (2nd party enemies) and a philosophical in practice. In only a small few instances were there actually ever anything direct between the USSR and US. So I wouldn't even count the USSR in that respect. To assume we should always fear a foreign threat from take over is merely whipping the citizens into a war type frenzy which allows for lack of dissent, removal of freedoms and uber-nationalism.
    Godfather. wrote:
    if not for the men and women that founded our nations and the men and women that keep them free who knows where we'd be right now...maybe living in a place where war is in your front yard everyday
    and has been for hundreds of years, you only have to watch the news from time to time to see how lucky we are to live in the country's we live in and have the patriotic men and women to defend us and allow us our freedom opinion and voice to use as we see fit.

    Godfather.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • Your Mom Made Me Pancakes
    Your Mom Made Me Pancakes Posts: 169
    Uber-nationalism.

    Let me guess.

    You're a teacher.



    "Wrong" used to mean something, but you have redefined it.

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  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,218
    :wtf:

    here we go again...
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  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Besides nonsense grammatical comments, do you have anything of substance to add to the discussion or things I posted? And is the name calling necessary? You claim everyone says stuff to you, yet you instigate and begin it. Act like an adult.
    Your Mom Made Me Pancakes wrote:
    Uber-nationalism.

    Let me guess.

    You're a teacher.



    "Wrong" used to mean something, but you have redefined it.

    Tool. (noun); a person manipulated by another for the latter's own ends; cat's-paw.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    as much as we've disagreed in other threads, fiveb247x, I have to applaud you for this.
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Besides nonsense grammatical comments, do you have anything of substance to add to the discussion or things I posted? And is the name calling necessary? You claim everyone says stuff to you, yet you instigate and begin it. Act like an adult.
    Your Mom Made Me Pancakes wrote:
    Uber-nationalism.

    Let me guess.

    You're a teacher.



    "Wrong" used to mean something, but you have redefined it.

    Tool. (noun); a person manipulated by another for the latter's own ends; cat's-paw.
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