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No PJ but: concert flameout article
http://jam.canoe.ca/Music/2010/06/10/14337341.html
Usual stuff, ticket prices, dwindled attendance etc. Reminds me how big PJ really is.
Usual stuff, ticket prices, dwindled attendance etc. Reminds me how big PJ really is.
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pretty funny. and true.
good read thanks.
and i like the photo id ideas. getting a wrist band makes sense. there will always be people trying to cheat the system but i bet it would help.
funny that i feel great about spending 90 bucks a ticket for pj. it's such a good deal with having to deal with all the scalpers.
i have a feeling nothing will change though
Your name on the ticket! Great idea. This would be a good way to prevent scalping. At least the ones ordered on presales.
hmmm this sounds like the KISS VIP package
How to solve the concert flameout
By DARRYL STERDAN, QMI Agency
Going to concerts used to be simple. You stood in line. You bought a ticket. You went to the show. You picked up a T-shirt, had a warm beer and a dusty hot dog. And you left with enough money in your wallet to do it again.
Not anymore. Now, to see your favourite band, you need connections.
You need to join a fan club. You need to find a presale. You need computer savvy and lightning reflexes. And if you want to sit closer than the nosebleeds, you practically have to raid your RRSP.
If it’s any consolation, fans aren’t the only ones suffering. The cash cows have come home to roost for rockers and tycoons too. Ticket sales have tumbled. Attendance has dwindled.
Artists from Christina Aguilera to Limp Bizkit have “postponed” tours.
Festivals such as Virgin, Edgefest and Pemberton are on hiatus. Sarah McLachlan’s Lilith has cut prices.
Even an act as seemingly bulletproof as Lady Gaga offered two-for-one seats to a recent U.K. gig.
In the U.S., Live Nation has waived fees at 50 venues for June. The show might still go on — as long as it goes on sale.
What in the name of Ozzy went wrong? Basically, it boils down to two words: Technology and greed. Years ago, they teamed up to destroy CD sales. Now their reunion tour is bringing down the curtain on the concert business. Here’s the story:
The Past
In 1980, Canada’s minimum wage ranged from $3 to $3.65 an hour. The average top-price concert ticket (according to my old stubs) cost $10 to $15. You could pull a shift at Mickey D’s to buy a ticket — and score a front-row seat with luck. Over the years, those numbers crept up like everything else, but the ratio held. By the mid-’90s, those fast-food jobs were netting $5-$7, while the average ticket (according to Pollstar) cost about $25.
The Eagles blew that to hell. When the California rockers buried the hatchet for their 1994 Hell Freezes Over CD and reunion tour, they became the first band to sell $100 tickets. And since there’s a sucker born every minute, people paid. Naturally, other rockers took notice. Many followed suit, jacking prices — while sellers upped service fees to get in on the action.
Fans felt the pinch. But when the Internet arrived, the squeeze really began. When ticket-selling empires went online, the game instantly changed. Instead of just vying with neighbours for seats, you went against a global army of scalpers who scarfed up tickets and resold them at usurious rates. Ticket companies got into the game themselves, redirecting buyers to their own reselling sites. (And let’s cut the crap: Anyone who resells tickets at inflated prices is a scalper. They can blather all they want about serving consumers; they’re still pond scum. And they will have a special place in hell — in line for eternity outside a Hendrix gig without enough money for a ticket.) Anyone over 30 probably recalls the last time they lined up to buy tickets, only to be told the gig had sold out online in minutes. And they likely recall thinking: This system sucks.
The Present
Today it sucks harder. Online piracy has decimated CD sales — fewer than five million albums were sold in the last week of May, the lowest total in decades. As a result, artists must tour farther and longer to fill their coffers. And since many still live in self-centred, champagne-filled dream bubbles, they don’t seem to believe the principles of supply and demand apply. They think they can tour in summer, though hundreds of acts are scrambling after the same shrinking pot. They think they can still charge big bucks (today’s average price: $63) in a dollar-store economy.
And — in a move so deluded, short-sighted and self-sabotaging even Wile E. Coyote wouldn’t try it — they believe they can soak fans for even more with VIP packages. For $350, you can watch Justin Bieber’s soundcheck. For $1,300, you can keep your folding chair after the Bon Jovi show — and perhaps take a picture of Jon’s maracas (sadly, this is not a euphemism). Before Aguilera folded her tent, she planned to charge $800 for a picture with her. And she was one of few artists willing to meet fans.
Most VIP packages include tickets down front, refreshments and a bag of swag, but zero contact. If that sounds lame, consider the widely circulated online tale of one fan who said he shelled out $1,100 for a VIP package, only to be “treated like s---” and laughed at by an apparent insider who told him the band makes its money from “dumb” fans like him.
The Future
So there you have it. And here we are — inundated with concerts we can’t afford, played by elitist stars whose priority seems to be fleecing the suckers one last time. Is it any wonder fans are staying away in droves? Is there anything to be done? Glad you asked. Now that we’ve cleared the air, let’s talk solutions. Here’s how the industry can get the concert scene back on the road to health:
Get Real
Do you have a one-named singer? Does your catalog have enough hits to fill two hours? Have you made an album this decade — and did anyone care? If not, you are not worth $100. So get over yourself and stop gouging us to make the mortgage on your mansion. We’re getting by with less; you can too. Oh, and instead of slashing prices when tickets aren’t selling — which only burns dedicated fans who already ponied up — sell them cheap first to get the ball rolling, then raise prices. As for vendors — you sell hundreds of thousands of tickets a day; adding 30% of the price in so-called service and convenience fees isn’t helping.
Space Out
There are 12 months in a year. But every summer, every act jams their tour into the same 12-week period from June to August. Next year, hit the road in the off-season. In much of this country, the concert calendar is a dead zone from December to March. You could literally be the only game in town. Yeah, it’s cold. But I suspect you’ll get a warm welcome from fans.
Scalp Scalpers
The Industry maintains scalping can’t be stopped. Really? Seems pretty simple: 1) Stop presales; 2) Put the attendee’s name on every ticket sold — no exceptions, no TBAs, no duplications; 3) Prohibit resales, changes or transfers; if you can’t use your ticket, it can be returned for a refund (minus a service charge) and goes back for sale at face value; 4) Make fans show photo ID at the gig. I’m no genius, but it seems that would work. So why hasn’t it happened?
Could it be because artists want to justify their own money-grubbing tactics? And if you think a ticket-name system would be cumbersome:
Have you flown lately? Your average airport processes several times more people every day — and searches them. Checking IDs at an arena shouldn’t be tough. If it is, let patrons check in early — hours or days — and get a wristband so they can breeze in at showtime.
Respect Fans
This is the big one. And the most basic. Stop treating people like walking ATMs. Stop treating rich ones better than regular ones. And stop putting money and marketing before music. Nobody wants a folding chair with your name on it. They want to hear you play. And if you want them to keep coming en masse, you need to make them all feel special.
If you don’t, it’s only a matter of time before all your gigs are private shows for millionaires.
And they aren’t big on folding chairs.
Be Your Own Boss
Need a role model? Try Bruce Springsteen. He disdains VIP packages.
He battles scalpers. Tickets for his last tour reportedly maxed out at $98. And he seems to do OK. So it is possible to sell out without being a sell-out.
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I also think they are a good value. We talk a lot about the length of the shows and the varied sets, etc. and don't think that doesn't have a lot to do with why I like them so much. There are plenty of band that charge far more for far less stage time.
Adding your name to the ticket and checking a photo ID is interesting and some bands do that already. Saw No Doubt on their reunion tour and that is exactly what they did for fans that got tickets in the pre-sales. Your name was printed right there on the ticket. The other thing they did was have separate lines at the venue and didn't release the tickets until a couple of hours before show time. If you had a pre-sale ticket with your name on it, you had a separate line (like 10C does) only you had to enter the venue once you picked up your ticket. Totally eliminated scalping.
BOS-9/28/04,9/29/04,6/28/08,6/30/08, 9/5/16, 9/7/16, 9/2/18
MTL-9/15/05, OTT-9/16/05
PHL-5/27/06,5/28/06,10/30/09,10/31/09
CHI-8/2/07,8/5/07,8/23/09,8/24/09
HTFD-6/27/08
ATX-10/4/09, 10/12/14
KC-5/3/2010,STL-5/4/2010
Bridge School-10/23/2010,10/24/2010
PJ20-9/3/2011,9/4/2011
OKC-11/16/13
SEA-12/6/13
TUL-10/8/14
I enjoy skinny-skiing, going to bullfights on acid...
Let me ask you this, what fan-based industry has gone up and up and up and then crashed back to Earth and started serving it's customers again?
They keep saying sports are spiraling out of control, but there's no sign of it stopping. Even with the Great Recession in full swing, the Superb Owl commercials were sold out (although at a slight discount) and tickets were not exactly slashed in price. The "no service fee" promotion from LiveNation is just that, a promotion. Probably more to ease negative public opinion more than to stimulate ticket sales.
I doubt very much that anything is going to happen long-term.
1: I try to find them on Craigslist for tickets and can usually get them for face value or just a little below or above that.
2: I ask around with all of my friends if they have any extra or know of anyone who has extras.
3: About a week before the show I check at the venue box office online, Ticketmaster or who ever is handling the show online and sometimes if I am close by the venue I will check the box office if I am near the area.
4: On the day of the concert I check online again, then I head down to the venue, see if people are selling extra tickets outside, then I check the box office to see if they have any available as they usually release some on the day of the show.
By following all of the steps like clockwork, I usually always get in some how and I don't have to deal with being on a computer like a crazy person the day tickets go on sale. At the Springsteen show last April here in Austin, the show "sold out" then a week before the show they started releasing tickets in the lower level. The day of the show scalper couldn't sell their tickets for $10.00 and some were giving them away.
As I have learned here in Austin anyway, when it is announced that a show is "sold out" a lot of people just stay home and don't bother, then all the scalpers are out front trying to sell their tickets and there are no buyers for them. Neil Young just played here in Austin and in Houston, all of the $59.00 and $99.00 tickets to the show in Houston were "sold out" as I was checking the Jones Hall website. Well a few days before the show I was checking their website and bingo, there are $99.00 tickets available and were available almost the whole week leading up to the show.
I started going to concerts when I was about 12 in the early 80's and have seen hundreds of concerts since that time, the concert industry has changed a lot since then. I remember in the 80's and 90's, scalpers/ticket brokers would buy $20.00-$25.00 tickets and try to sell them for $30.00-$35.00 to make a little money, I have no problem with that. But now people buy tickets for $100.00-$120.00 and try to sell them for $250.00-$300.00, I just won't support that and will continue to go to concerts the way I have. It's getting harder and harder, but I still seem to get into all the shows that I want to go see.
4/5,6/9/2003, 9/1/05, 12/7/2005, 7/15,16,18/2006, 8/5/2007
6/24,25/08,6/27/08,6/28/08,6/30/08
9/21,22/2009, 10/4/2009
5/6,7,9/2010, 9/3/2011 9/4/2011, 11/15/2013,
11/16/2013, 12/8/2013, 10/5/2014, 10/12/2014,
4/23, 5/10, 5/12, 8/20, 8/22 2016,
8/8, 8/10, 8/18, 8/20 2018, 5/12, 5/13, 9/20 2022
I'd go for being on the list, and if concert promoters want us to keep going to concerts, they need to stop selling blocks to brokers (I had a client that is a broker and I asked him about how he gets tix).
- Christopher McCandless
4/5,6/9/2003, 9/1/05, 12/7/2005, 7/15,16,18/2006, 8/5/2007
6/24,25/08,6/27/08,6/28/08,6/30/08
9/21,22/2009, 10/4/2009
5/6,7,9/2010, 9/3/2011 9/4/2011, 11/15/2013,
11/16/2013, 12/8/2013, 10/5/2014, 10/12/2014,
4/23, 5/10, 5/12, 8/20, 8/22 2016,
8/8, 8/10, 8/18, 8/20 2018, 5/12, 5/13, 9/20 2022
Simon + Garfunkel
+ Tom Petty
+ Michael Buble (for the gf, I swear!)
due to exorbitant ticket prices.
It needed to be said- BRAVO!
Cheers.
June 16, 1995: In Casper, Wyoming, Pearl Jam plays the first show of a rocky 13-date US tour.
15 years today.
I think that was one of the best written articles I've seen on the present state of the concert business. From what I'm seeing its pretty much established acts that can still almost sell out arenas. New bands who have maybe 1 or 2 songs, don't stand a chance. Will there even be arena concerts after the old guard passes on?
I find it laughable when a retread band from over 10 or 15 years ago tries to pass off what should be a regular club tour likes it's a big deal that everyone cares about, and they charge $79 when they should be charging $39-$45 at most. They book the House of Blues to legitimize what they percieve to be a highly anticipated reunion tour, when actually, they had a nice little blip on the radar for a short period of time and that was it, not enough people care anymore and you are no longer relevant. I say this even about bands that I like (Live, Blind Melon) as much as bands that I don't like and seem silly when they try this (Hole, Limp Biz, Goo Goo Dolls (barf). I find this funny and sad when I see it.
At least Joan Jett is only charging $33, she knows her place.
Wow, I find that amazing. Not going to find a better deal than that.
add The Wall to that list.
single floor ticket at the United Center - $250, plus fee's.
:roll:
Exactly! It´s not even Pink Floyd. Well, PJ in mexico the floor tickets were worth more than 200 dollars + tax + fees. Couldn´t make it. Almost the cost of the plane ticket to get there.