Chinese Suicide Sweatshop makes your ipad

blackredyellow · June 2010

Jeanwah wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

It should be the corporations responsibility to keep our economy healthy. But there are no regulations for that. That is why corps will ALWAYS outsource. They are directly killing the American economy by thinking only of their own bottom line, and going oversees to find the cheapest workers. ETA: AND it doesn't help that American consumers want everything cheap, cheap, cheap!

I have trouble blaming the corporations... their main job is to make money for their shareholders. If no one is making them be more responsible (not buying their products if they aren't), then what motivation do they have to do anything different.

We as consumers are to blame, just like this oil mess...

Our economy would be healthier if corps actually did business within our country. With so many companies outsourcing jobs, the American people are job-less. How are we to sustain the health of our failing economy if we're the ones that can't buy anything because we are getting laid off in favor for cheaper Chinese labor for corps?

I agree, but it's like a cat out of the bag thing... if US corporations did business within our country, prices would go up... prices go up, less people buy things... less purchases, hurts retail stores.... stores close, people lose jobs there, and we have job losses in retail, and trucking/shipping industries.

I have no idea if that's a net positive or a negative, but it's a trade off.

chadwick · June 2010

i personally cannot wait until i move to china for a job in a crowbar factory :roll:
in the reading posted by the OP i got as far as 34 hour shifts.

i done that a lot when i drove a truck.
it is complete bullshit.
thank god i wasn't in a chinese factory & thank god i never killed anyone.

a person doesn't work 110 hrs a week by sitting on their balls... wait...
yes they do... truck drivers do it all the time.

FiveB247x · June 2010

What was someone saying in that other thread about humanity and humans having value?

unsung · June 2010

polaris_x wrote:

i agree on all fronts but i think your estimations are way off ... $35 a week vs even $200 a week is way more than the ~5% savings you put ...

My numbers are not exact. I was being a smartass. My point is their company will not go broke.

Godfather. · June 2010

I agree prices would go up but...after the ball bot rolling prices would go down,if the US limited importing good's the way other country's do our company's and suppliers would would depend on each other and create competition in the markets bringing prices down...if the US limited foreign auto manufacturing and importing
the American car company's would probably do a lot better and sell car/trucks/motorcycles for a little less because they wont have to compete with over seas company's.

Godfather.

blackredyellow · June 2010

Godfather. wrote:

I agree prices would go up but...after the ball bot rolling prices would go down,if the US limited importing good's the way other country's do our company's and suppliers would would depend on each other and create competition in the markets bringing prices down...if the US limited foreign auto manufacturing and importing
the American car company's would probably do a lot better and sell car/trucks/motorcycles for a little less because they wont have to compete with over seas company's.

Godfather.

You lost me... you said that the price of products would go down because of competition, but in the next paragraph say that auto prices are higher for US companies since they have to compete with foreign companies.

matabele · June 2010

Microsoft were featured on google a while back, there were pictures of the Chinese workers sleeping at their workstations, the article told of the very low wages and poor working conditions. Bill Gates has always said he will donate the bulk of his fortune to good causes and has got a number of charity projects running at the moment.
Look at what he is actually doing.
His company uses poorly treated workers in China.
Sells their products to us at a huge mark up.
Then takes the bundles of money that has been made by screwing the Chinese and us and gives it to people who are too lazy to get off their asses!

Godfather. · June 2010

redrock wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

redrock wrote:

Chinese do deserve jobs but they do not deserve being slaves to companies like these.

yes they do but who responsibility is that ...America's ?

Godfather.

Any corporation who uses labour anywhere in the world needs to look at themselves and their ethics (even in their own country). I can also argue that the local governments should be monitoring those practices.

Outsourcing is here to stay, whether we like it or not - part of the 'world economy'.

your right and that's another reason we should keep all our business in house, also as much as I don't like it I am afraid the outsourcing is here to stay....really sucks !

Godfather.

Godfather. · June 2010

blackredyellow wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

I agree prices would go up but...after the ball bot rolling prices would go down,if the US limited importing good's the way other country's do our company's and suppliers would would depend on each other and create competition in the markets bringing prices down...if the US limited foreign auto manufacturing and importing
the American car company's would probably do a lot better and sell car/trucks/motorcycles for a little less because they wont have to compete with over seas company's.

Godfather.

You lost me... you said that the price of products would go down because of competition, but in the next paragraph say that auto prices are higher for US companies since they have to compete with foreign companies.

sorry I ran off on a tangent (babble). at first prices would go up but after the ball is rolling better then compition amung US companys would force lower pricing to the consumer.

Godfather.

Cosmo · June 2010

Godfather. wrote:

all this media/press about unfair working conditions over seas and our government dose nothing to keep production here in the US, company's in the US should keep it right here at home, besides the poor working conditions over seas what about the people / company's that enjoy the American way of life and do not do everything they can to keep jobs here, I would think that supporting the American worker would be the best idea and benefit all involved eventually,I know it would take some time to bring things back around but as other people on here have said "we need progressive thinking" and progressive think brings progressive action.

Godfather.

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The 'Government'? How can the government keep private companies from moving manufacturing and support from going overseas, where cheaper labor cuts operationg expense and increases profit margins?
Companies are the ones who get to decide... and all they seem to care about is profits. Profits only come when people buy their shit... people only buy their shit if they can afford it (even though many people can't affod it but buy it anyway).
Those jobs are gone... you are better off waiting for the shares of Pets.com to get back to the level you paid for them than wait for manfufacturing to return to America.

Cosmo · June 2010

Godfather. wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

definitely ... however, consumers demand cheap products and corporations want huge profits ...

America can have that back like it was after WWII but the GOV. will have to do something to have these company's keep their business here and that would create new business and new job's.

Godfather.

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Get these jobs back? How? The only way to get them back is to undercut what the Chinese workers are getting. What can the governemt do to make companies conform to this? How is the government going to mandate that?
Companies was in the business to make money... they have no loyalty anymore. It is all about profits and stock price.

Godfather. · June 2010

Cosmo wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

definitely ... however, consumers demand cheap products and corporations want huge profits ...

America can have that back like it was after WWII but the GOV. will have to do something to have these company's keep their business here and that would create new business and new job's.

Godfather.

...
Get these jobs back? How? The only way to get them back is to undercut what the Chinese workers are getting. What can the governemt do to make companies conform to this? How is the government going to mandate that?
Companies was in the business to make money... they have no loyalty anymore. It is all about profits and stock price.

higher tariff's....lots higher and limit over seas imports to a 1/4 of what they are now,everything from t.v's to cars, I don't know business as well you all might but something needs to be done..have any ideas ?

Godfather.

Kevinman · June 2010

When did I get an Ipad?

redrock · June 2010

Godfather. wrote:

higher tariff's....lots higher and limit over seas imports to a 1/4 of what they are now,everything from t.v's to cars, I don't know business as well you all might but something needs to be done..have any ideas ?

Godfather.

We can't be insular anymore and protectionism is now irrelevant. We are in a global economy and we need to learn to work with this. There is no going back to 'how it was'.

Godfather. · June 2010

redrock wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

higher tariff's....lots higher and limit over seas imports to a 1/4 of what they are now,everything from t.v's to cars, I don't know business as well you all might but something needs to be done..have any ideas ?

Godfather.

We can't be insular anymore and protectionism is now irrelevant. We are in a global economy and we need to learn to work with this. There is no going back to 'how it was'.

I don't like this global community thing it's like putting all your eggs in one basket.

Godfather.

Jason P · June 2010

Higher wages and government regulations have forced most of the electronics industry overseas. I think this happened in the 80’s so no one should be very shocked. Are there production facilities in the U.S. that could manufacturer the iPad or any other electronic device (included what I’m typing on) to satisfy demand and compete against Asian-made products? No.

I believe you will see more companies in different industries follow suit as the EPA gains strength over the next several years. I’m all for saving the environment but when a business has to decide about spending millions to upgrade an existing facility or build a new one in Mexico or China with cheaper operating costs the decision will be simple for them. As Michael Corleone once said, “It’s not personal. It’s strictly business.”

stuckinline · June 2010

Jason P wrote:

Higher wages and government regulations have forced most of the electronics industry overseas. I think this happened in the 80’s so no one should be very shocked. Are there production facilities in the U.S. that could manufacturer the iPad or any other electronic device (included what I’m typing on) to satisfy demand and compete against Asian-made products? No.

I believe you will see more companies in different industries follow suit as the EPA gains strength over the next several years. I’m all for saving the environment but when a business has to decide about spending millions to upgrade an existing facility or build a new one in Mexico or China with cheaper operating costs the decision will be simple for them. As Michael Corleone once said, “It’s not personal. It’s strictly business.”

ok, it may be cheaper to build a new facility, but what about all the energy is takes to ship the products to the usa?

Godfather. · June 2010

stuckinline wrote:

Jason P wrote:

Higher wages and government regulations have forced most of the electronics industry overseas. I think this happened in the 80’s so no one should be very shocked. Are there production facilities in the U.S. that could manufacturer the iPad or any other electronic device (included what I’m typing on) to satisfy demand and compete against Asian-made products? No.

I believe you will see more companies in different industries follow suit as the EPA gains strength over the next several years. I’m all for saving the environment but when a business has to decide about spending millions to upgrade an existing facility or build a new one in Mexico or China with cheaper operating costs the decision will be simple for them. As Michael Corleone once said, “It’s not personal. It’s strictly business.”

ok, it may be cheaper to build a new facility, but what about all the energy is takes to ship the products to the usa?

I can tell you from working and doing business with over seas manufactures that the cost of shipping and customs inspection etc. is all figured into the price and it's still cheeper....sucks !!!

Godfather.

stuckinline · June 2010

Godfather. wrote:

stuckinline wrote:

Jason P wrote:

Higher wages and government regulations have forced most of the electronics industry overseas. I think this happened in the 80’s so no one should be very shocked. Are there production facilities in the U.S. that could manufacturer the iPad or any other electronic device (included what I’m typing on) to satisfy demand and compete against Asian-made products? No.

I believe you will see more companies in different industries follow suit as the EPA gains strength over the next several years. I’m all for saving the environment but when a business has to decide about spending millions to upgrade an existing facility or build a new one in Mexico or China with cheaper operating costs the decision will be simple for them. As Michael Corleone once said, “It’s not personal. It’s strictly business.”

ok, it may be cheaper to build a new facility, but what about all the energy is takes to ship the products to the usa?

I can tell you from working and doing business with over seas manufactures that the cost of shipping and customs inspection etc. is all figured into the price and it's still cheeper....sucks !!!

Godfather.

while the cost of shipping is figured into the price, from an environmental standpoint, i feel it a waste of resources to ship products from china, when the usa is fully capable of manufacturing the products here.

Jason P · June 2010

stuckinline wrote:

ok, it may be cheaper to build a new facility, but what about all the energy is takes to ship the products to the usa?

That is a drawback to consider, but for most electronics all of the internal components are manufactured overseas in the first place. For iPads, they can probably fit a good number of them on a cargo jet. I'm guessing that cargo ships are avoided due to holdups in customs but I could be wrong. It takes 4-8 weeks for a ship to make the trip and then have the cargo clear customs. That is a long time with the short lifespan of new technology.

Then figure in the difference in operating costs. When just considering the labor, the differences between east and west can be drastic. For a basic cost comparison, lets say two identical plants employ 250 workers at 40 hrs / week. If factory A has a labor rate of $50 / hr, the total annual operation cost will be $26M. If factory B has a labor rate of $10 / hr, the total annual operating cost will be $5.2M. Over a ten year period, factory B will save the company over $200M. Then factor in all the savings from cutting corners, ignoring safety, etc and it probably adds up to a staggering amount.

Some smaller start-up companies are assembling their components in the U.S. but all of those components are still produced overseas. I agree that the conditions and pay scales for those assembling items in Asia is very bad. But they have the labor, technology, and manufacturing capacity, all at a cheaper cost.

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