Hamas refusing to allow flotilla aid into Gaza: Israel
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cmon, really?? after all that...
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... FB0DW7hShw
Hamas refusing to allow flotilla aid into Gaza: Israel
(AFP) – 5 hours ago
JERUSALEM — The Palestinian Islamist movement Hamas ruling Gaza is not allowing Israel to deliver the aid brought by activists in a flotilla seized earlier this week, the Israeli military said on Wednesday.
Israel has filled 20 trucks with cargo from the captured ships, mostly medical supplies, clothes, blankets and toys, but has not been able to take them into the territory, military spokeswoman Avital Leibovitz told reporters.
"Unfortunately at this point the Palestinians are not willing to accept the cargo so the trucks that are loaded are not entering the Gaza Strip," she said.
"Our understanding is that Hamas is actually stopping the entrance of this humanitarian aid," she added.
Hamas government spokesman Taher al-Nunu declined to comment on the allegations but confirmed the Palestinian authorities in Gaza had not received any supplies.
"The priority now is to release those who were kidnapped and return them, the martyrs and the wounded to their own countries," Nunu said, referring to the nearly 700 activists on board the ships, nine of whom were killed in an Israeli raid on Monday.
He added that the delivery of the aid should be coordinated with Turkey, which supplied much of the 10,000 tonnes of building and other supplies organisers said were on the ships.
Israel had earlier said all of the more than 600 activists who had been detained were being deported, including the majority of those wounded.
Hamas social affairs minister Ahmad al-Kurd, meanwhile, told reporters that if the aid were to enter it would have to be brought in "without anything being stolen from the activists, and without any exceptions.
"This includes the prefabricated homes, the cement, the iron and the electric generators," he said.
But the Israeli military said it could not refill the trucks with more cargo until it delivered the first shipment of supplies.
The military said no weapons were found aboard the ships aside from knives, wooden batons and metal rods it says the activists used to ambush the naval commandos that stormed one of the ships, wounding six of them.
"There was nothing illegal and nothing that does not enter on a regular basis," Leibovitz said, adding that inspectors had not yet come across any cement.
Egypt and Israel largely sealed their borders with Gaza after the capture of an Israeli soldier by Hamas and other Palestinian militants in 2006 and have only allowed in limited amounts of basic goods since Hamas seized power in June 2007.
Israel has recently started allowing in limited amounts of building materials for UN projects, but the closures have severely hindered reconstruction efforts following a devastating 2008-2009 Gaza war.
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Hamas refusing to allow flotilla aid into Gaza: Israel
(AFP) – 5 hours ago
JERUSALEM — The Palestinian Islamist movement Hamas ruling Gaza is not allowing Israel to deliver the aid brought by activists in a flotilla seized earlier this week, the Israeli military said on Wednesday.
Israel has filled 20 trucks with cargo from the captured ships, mostly medical supplies, clothes, blankets and toys, but has not been able to take them into the territory, military spokeswoman Avital Leibovitz told reporters.
"Unfortunately at this point the Palestinians are not willing to accept the cargo so the trucks that are loaded are not entering the Gaza Strip," she said.
"Our understanding is that Hamas is actually stopping the entrance of this humanitarian aid," she added.
Hamas government spokesman Taher al-Nunu declined to comment on the allegations but confirmed the Palestinian authorities in Gaza had not received any supplies.
"The priority now is to release those who were kidnapped and return them, the martyrs and the wounded to their own countries," Nunu said, referring to the nearly 700 activists on board the ships, nine of whom were killed in an Israeli raid on Monday.
He added that the delivery of the aid should be coordinated with Turkey, which supplied much of the 10,000 tonnes of building and other supplies organisers said were on the ships.
Israel had earlier said all of the more than 600 activists who had been detained were being deported, including the majority of those wounded.
Hamas social affairs minister Ahmad al-Kurd, meanwhile, told reporters that if the aid were to enter it would have to be brought in "without anything being stolen from the activists, and without any exceptions.
"This includes the prefabricated homes, the cement, the iron and the electric generators," he said.
But the Israeli military said it could not refill the trucks with more cargo until it delivered the first shipment of supplies.
The military said no weapons were found aboard the ships aside from knives, wooden batons and metal rods it says the activists used to ambush the naval commandos that stormed one of the ships, wounding six of them.
"There was nothing illegal and nothing that does not enter on a regular basis," Leibovitz said, adding that inspectors had not yet come across any cement.
Egypt and Israel largely sealed their borders with Gaza after the capture of an Israeli soldier by Hamas and other Palestinian militants in 2006 and have only allowed in limited amounts of basic goods since Hamas seized power in June 2007.
Israel has recently started allowing in limited amounts of building materials for UN projects, but the closures have severely hindered reconstruction efforts following a devastating 2008-2009 Gaza war.
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I also have to wonder what makes people think it will get to those in need if it is accepted?
I posted yesterday photos that show what life is like for some Gazans - not propaganda, an article from a Palestinian newspaper - and people quickly reminded me that many Gazans have no access to those things because Hamas controls them. If Hamas is controlling and/or taxing everything they bring through the tunnels and not distributing it fairly then what makes people think they will do any differently with these goods?0 -
ogre1213 wrote:cmon, really?? after all that...
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... FB0DW7hShw
Hamas refusing to allow flotilla aid into Gaza: Israel
(AFP) – 5 hours ago
JERUSALEM — The Palestinian Islamist movement Hamas ruling Gaza is not allowing Israel to deliver the aid brought by activists in a flotilla seized earlier this week, the Israeli military said on Wednesday.
Israel has filled 20 trucks with cargo from the captured ships, mostly medical supplies, clothes, blankets and toys, but has not been able to take them into the territory, military spokeswoman Avital Leibovitz told reporters.
"Unfortunately at this point the Palestinians are not willing to accept the cargo so the trucks that are loaded are not entering the Gaza Strip," she said.
"Our understanding is that Hamas is actually stopping the entrance of this humanitarian aid," she added.
Hamas government spokesman Taher al-Nunu declined to comment on the allegations but confirmed the Palestinian authorities in Gaza had not received any supplies.
"The priority now is to release those who were kidnapped and return them, the martyrs and the wounded to their own countries," Nunu said, referring to the nearly 700 activists on board the ships, nine of whom were killed in an Israeli raid on Monday.
He added that the delivery of the aid should be coordinated with Turkey, which supplied much of the 10,000 tonnes of building and other supplies organisers said were on the ships.
Israel had earlier said all of the more than 600 activists who had been detained were being deported, including the majority of those wounded.
Hamas social affairs minister Ahmad al-Kurd, meanwhile, told reporters that if the aid were to enter it would have to be brought in "without anything being stolen from the activists, and without any exceptions.
"This includes the prefabricated homes, the cement, the iron and the electric generators," he said.
But the Israeli military said it could not refill the trucks with more cargo until it delivered the first shipment of supplies.
The military said no weapons were found aboard the ships aside from knives, wooden batons and metal rods it says the activists used to ambush the naval commandos that stormed one of the ships, wounding six of them.
"There was nothing illegal and nothing that does not enter on a regular basis," Leibovitz said, adding that inspectors had not yet come across any cement.
Egypt and Israel largely sealed their borders with Gaza after the capture of an Israeli soldier by Hamas and other Palestinian militants in 2006 and have only allowed in limited amounts of basic goods since Hamas seized power in June 2007.
Israel has recently started allowing in limited amounts of building materials for UN projects, but the closures have severely hindered reconstruction efforts following a devastating 2008-2009 Gaza war.
Copyright © 2010 AFP. All rights reserved. More »
The only part of this bullshit article worth mentioning is the following:
'Hamas government spokesman Taher al-Nunu declined to comment on the allegations but confirmed the Palestinian authorities in Gaza had not received any supplies.'
Your desperation is telling Ogre.
Truly pathetic.
I take it as going without saying that you condone and/or defend the slaughter of the aid workers?0 -
5 more articles saying the same thing
http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=177320
http://palestinenote.com/cs/blogs/news/ ... srael.aspx
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 32,00.html
http://www.solomonia.com/blog/archive/2 ... t-tranfer/
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100602/wl ... zahamasaid
if you actually think the goal of the flotilla was to bring in aid to the palestinians youre insane
there were a few goals..
1. a test to see what Israel would do
2. a test to see if they can actually get away with bringing weapons or possibly wmds into gaza
3. the point was to break the blockade, they asked for confrontation
4. to make Israel look like shit, once again , and it worked
peace activists my ass, theyre looking to fightSome die just to live0 -
ogre1213 wrote:5 more articles saying the same thing
http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=177320
http://palestinenote.com/cs/blogs/news/ ... srael.aspx
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 32,00.html
http://www.solomonia.com/blog/archive/2 ... t-tranfer/
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100602/wl ... zahamasaid
These articles don't say the same thing. They give more detail than the one you initially chose to post.
http://palestinenote.com/cs/blogs/news/ ... srael.aspx
'Hamas Minister of Social Affairs Ahmed Al-Kurd called the Israeli delivery a "media campaign" meant to "divert the attention of the world from their acts of piracy." Al-Kurd said the goods brought to Gaza were broken or missing parts. Among the items delivered were a set of electric wheelchairs, presented with their batteries missing, Ma'an said.
"We will refuse the aid as long as the victims of Israel's attack remain in prison. Without exception we demand their release," Al-Kurd said during a Gaza City press conference.'0 -
nice try but that is pretty weak...."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
ogre1213 wrote:there were a few goals..
1. a test to see what Israel would do
2. a test to see if they can actually get away with bringing weapons or possibly wmds into gaza
3. the point was to break the blockade, they asked for confrontation
4. to make Israel look like shit, once again , and it worked
Keep making shit up. Clearly that's all you have up your sleeve - conjecture and outright lies.0 -
Byrnzie wrote:ogre1213 wrote:5 more articles saying the same thing
http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=177320
http://palestinenote.com/cs/blogs/news/ ... srael.aspx
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 32,00.html
http://www.solomonia.com/blog/archive/2 ... t-tranfer/
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100602/wl ... zahamasaid
These articles don't say the same thing. They give more detail than the one you initially chose to post.
http://palestinenote.com/cs/blogs/news/ ... srael.aspx
'Hamas Minister of Social Affairs Ahmed Al-Kurd called the Israeli delivery a "media campaign" meant to "divert the attention of the world from their acts of piracy." Al-Kurd said the goods brought to Gaza were broken or missing parts. Among the items delivered were a set of electric wheelchairs, presented with their batteries missing, Ma'an said.
"We will refuse the aid as long as the victims of Israel's attack remain in prison. Without exception we demand their release," Al-Kurd said during a Gaza City press conference.'
aaahhh good ol' al-kurd contradicting himself.... Israeli media campaign? or does he want the terrorists to be released?
either way they should accept the fucking goods
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVrhQTiAJxMSome die just to live0 -
Byrnzie wrote:ogre1213 wrote:there were a few goals..
1. a test to see what Israel would do
2. a test to see if they can actually get away with bringing weapons or possibly wmds into gaza
3. the point was to break the blockade, they asked for confrontation
4. to make Israel look like shit, once again , and it worked
Keep making shit up. Clearly that's all you have up your sleeve - conjecture and outright lies.
what do YOU think their goal was?Some die just to live0 -
ogre1213 wrote:Byrnzie wrote:ogre1213 wrote:there were a few goals..
1. a test to see what Israel would do
2. a test to see if they can actually get away with bringing weapons or possibly wmds into gaza
3. the point was to break the blockade, they asked for confrontation
4. to make Israel look like shit, once again , and it worked
Keep making shit up. Clearly that's all you have up your sleeve - conjecture and outright lies.
what do YOU think their goal was?
i won't dignify your bullshit question with a response.0 -
BYRNZIE just got OWNED.
Watch the the most blatantly biggoted, Anti-Semite on this site shrivel into the abyss when confronted with TRUTH.
Fucking Beautiful.0 -
ogre1213 wrote:Byrnzie wrote:ogre1213 wrote:there were a few goals..
1. a test to see what Israel would do
2. a test to see if they can actually get away with bringing weapons or possibly wmds into gaza
3. the point was to break the blockade, they asked for confrontation
4. to make Israel look like shit, once again , and it worked
Keep making shit up. Clearly that's all you have up your sleeve - conjecture and outright lies.
what do YOU think their goal was?
to show the world what israel is willing to do to starve 1.5 million people into submissiondon't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'0 -
ogre1213 wrote:Byrnzie wrote:ogre1213 wrote:5 more articles saying the same thing
http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=177320
http://palestinenote.com/cs/blogs/news/ ... srael.aspx
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 32,00.html
http://www.solomonia.com/blog/archive/2 ... t-tranfer/
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100602/wl ... zahamasaid
These articles don't say the same thing. They give more detail than the one you initially chose to post.
http://palestinenote.com/cs/blogs/news/ ... srael.aspx
'Hamas Minister of Social Affairs Ahmed Al-Kurd called the Israeli delivery a "media campaign" meant to "divert the attention of the world from their acts of piracy." Al-Kurd said the goods brought to Gaza were broken or missing parts. Among the items delivered were a set of electric wheelchairs, presented with their batteries missing, Ma'an said.
"We will refuse the aid as long as the victims of Israel's attack remain in prison. Without exception we demand their release," Al-Kurd said during a Gaza City press conference.'
aaahhh good ol' al-kurd contradicting himself.... Israeli media campaign? or does he want the terrorists to be released?
either way they should accept the fucking goods
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVrhQTiAJxM
ok, that video showed them removing the cargo with fork lifts and putting it on trucks....what does that prove? is there a video of those items actually being delivered?don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'0 -
JB210892 wrote:BYRNZIE just got OWNED.
Watch the the most blatantly biggoted, Anti-Semite on this site shrivel into the abyss when confronted with TRUTH.
Fucking Beautiful.
Owned? I must have missed that. Maybe you can show me where I got owned, genius?
By the way, I just read every one of your 18 posts and every one of them is a personal attack. You're not a Pearl Jam fan, you're a troll.
You wouldn't happen to be the latest incarnation of 'Last Exodus', aka 'The Face', aka, 'Encinoman' would you?0 -
JB210892 wrote:Re: Obama is the Anti-Christ.
by JB210892 » Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:29 pm
CHENEY is not spelled with an "A".
PROPHECY does not have an "S" in it
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It's BIGOTED. Not Biggoted. Just in case you need to use that word again. :geek:JB210892 wrote:
Watch the the most blatantly biggoted, Anti-Semite on this site shrivel into the abyss when confronted with TRUTH.0 -
This whole episode could have been avoided because Israel could have announced that they would inspect these ships and its cargo once they entered ‘terroritorial’ waters, which was their right. Then the flotilla’s occupants could have delivered the humanitarian aid even under Israeli military escort. Under those circumstances, not one person, not one country, not any politician or media outlet could have presented a negative comment on how Israel handled the situation.
That wasn’t the case, was it? Israel went to extreme measures to avoid letting the outside world into Gaza, Why?
Now that the public wants to see what is really happening in Gaza, Israel, of course starts wailing about their ‘right to exist’ and the terrorist card. Israel’s logic is that hey, we are sorry about your eye, but hell if it had been terrorists you’d be dead. Well it wasn’t terrorists, by definition, it was the Israeli military that maimed and killed people to hide the atrocities being committed in Gaza.
Gaza's government wants and needs the outside world to come into Gaza to see what is really happening.SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.0 -
ogre1213 wrote:The military said no weapons were found aboard the ships aside from knives, wooden batons and metal rods it says the activists used to ambush the naval commandos that stormed one of the ships, wounding six of them.
"There was nothing illegal and nothing that does not enter on a regular basis," Leibovitz said, adding that inspectors had not yet come across any cement.
no weapons ... yet 9 civilians are dead in a raid conducted in darkness ...ogre1213 wrote:1. a test to see what Israel would do
not really a test as this outcome was expected although the ambush was probably more aggressive than expected as lives lost was not on the agendaogre1213 wrote:2. a test to see if they can actually get away with bringing weapons or possibly wmds into gaza
there were no weapons as your article stated ... the Free Gaza movement is international - why would they risk the ultimate goal of lifting the blockade to bring in weapons?ogre1213 wrote:3. the point was to break the blockade, they asked for confrontation
yes ... the goal is to break the blockade ...ogre1213 wrote:4. to make Israel look like shit, once again , and it worked
israel looks like shit because they are acting like shit ... time to remove the pride and see things for what they are ... did you read the story about a peaceful activist who lost her left eye because a soldier blatantly shot tear gas at her head? ...0 -
puremagic wrote:This whole episode could have been avoided because Israel could have announced that they would inspect these ships and its cargo once they entered ‘terroritorial’ waters, which was their right. Then the flotilla’s occupants could have delivered the humanitarian aid even under Israeli military escort. Under those circumstances, not one person, not one country, not any politician or media outlet could have presented a negative comment on how Israel handled the situation.
That wasn’t the case, was it? Israel went to extreme measures to avoid letting the outside world into Gaza, Why?
This pretty much sums up how I feel ... The whole thing could have been handled in Israel's own waters, and the odds of a more peaceful outcome probably would have been that much greater. The Israelis could have negotiated with the powers that be on the aid ships. If I was one of those soldiers and a mob attacked me, I'd have to defend myself: emotions would take over. But there never should have been a commando raid in the first place.0
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