Lousy Sound on Pearl Jam Avocado CD

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  • audiodave
    audiodave Posts: 1,623
    luvnmuzic wrote:
    You must have noticed the mistake on Thin Air??? Ed comments about it after the song.
    I've heard so many people talk about that...and i've never noticed anything. What specifically is it?
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  • luvnmuzic
    luvnmuzic Posts: 18
    audiodave wrote:
    I've heard so many people talk about that...and i've never noticed anything. What specifically is it?

    I happens after the first chorus when Mike and Stone do that little guitar fill. It sounds like Mike plays it in the wrong key. Listen to the album version and compare it to BH. You can't not notice it after that.
  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,462
    my favorite sounding album is Vs. it just rocks.
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  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,462
    luvnmuzic wrote:
    I happens after the first chorus when Mike and Stone do that little guitar fill. It sounds like Mike plays it in the wrong key. Listen to the album version and compare it to BH. You can't not notice it after that.

    yeah, that was very obvious. i mess it up when i play it on guitar too. just a nice weird little sequence of notes.
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  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    NC_Irie wrote:
    never noticed any "trainwreck mistakes" by stone/mike. listening to BH now and it sounds pretty flawless and fucking amazing to me.

    but what do I know? im just another obsessive PJ fan.


    All Or None:

    Even the first short, bluesy guitar lead, after the first verse and chorus; is flat. But that's not the real fuck up.

    At 3:20 of the song time display, is when Mike goes into the extended guitar solo. Horrible. Flat...out of key and he picks a few really bad notes, there. Listen at 3:20 ........3:46 .....and 3:48.


    Man Of The Hour:

    Listen for the bridge which starts a crescendo at around 2:18-2:20.

    There's this annoying high-pitched feedback that starts at a very low volume, then slowly builds and peaks at the 2:28 mark of the song's time display; then kind of subsides but lingers for another 10 seconds or so as a high frequency distortion.

    Annoying as hell! Such a beautiful song, played in an acoustically perfect venue and ruined by that:(



    Thin Air:

    Right after the first verse there's a pause (guitar break), at 0:56 on the song time display where Stone does this little riff; which leads into the next verse where Ed sings the " byzantine is reflected in our pond " verse.

    Stone completely fucks up that riff and for the most part misses it. He made what seems like a desperate effort to fill something in; then decided to just wait out the timing pace. The audience even cheers the fuck up...lol.

    Then right after the song ends, Stone actually plays the riff twice; as if to say..."See I can play it, I just fucked up...that's all" :D And Ed makes the comment about how the Hall is well known for revealing even the smallest fucks ups and that there was no way you weren't going to notice that one, lol.
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    luvnmuzic wrote:
    I happens after the first chorus when Mike and Stone do that little guitar fill. It sounds like Mike plays it in the wrong key. Listen to the album version and compare it to BH. You can't not notice it after that.


    No, not after the first chorus, after the first verse at the 0.56 mark on the song time display.
  • guertin32
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    good call...
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  • NC_Irie
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    luvnmuzic wrote:
    You must have noticed the mistake on Thin Air??? Ed comments about it after the song.

    yeah, i did hear that one. but the others must be minor.
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  • NC_Irie
    NC_Irie Posts: 270
    NMyTree wrote:
    All Or None:

    Even the first short, bluesy guitar lead, after the first verse and chorus; is flat. But that's not the real fuck up.

    At 3:20 of the song time display, is when Mike goes into the extended guitar solo. Horrible. Flat...out of key and he picks a few really bad notes, there. Listen at 3:20 ........3:46 .....and 3:48.


    Man Of The Hour:

    Listen for the bridge which starts a crescendo at around 2:18-2:20.

    There's this annoying high-pitched feedback that starts at a very low volume, then slowly builds and peaks at the 2:28 mark of the song's time display; then kind of subsides but lingers for another 10 seconds or so as a high frequency distortion.

    Annoying as hell! Such a beautiful song, played in an acoustically perfect venue and ruined by that:(



    Thin Air:

    Right after the first verse there's a pause (guitar break), at 0:56 on the song time display where Stone does this little riff; which leads into the next verse where Ed sings the " byzantine is reflected in our pond " verse.

    Stone completely fucks up that riff and for the most part misses it. He made what seems like a desperate effort to fill something in; then decided to just wait out the timing pace. The audience even cheers the fuck up...lol.

    Then right after the song ends, Stone actually plays the riff twice; as if to say..."See I can play it, I just fucked up...that's all" :D And Ed makes the comment about how the Hall is well known for revealing even the smallest fucks ups and that there was no way you weren't going to notice that one, lol.

    man, thanks for taking the time and pointing out all these fuckups! now I hate BH!

    just kidding. still think it rules.
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  • deadmosquito
    deadmosquito Posts: 729
    NMyTree wrote:
    All Or None:

    Even the first short, bluesy guitar lead, after the first verse and chorus; is flat. But that's not the real fuck up.

    At 3:20 of the song time display, is when Mike goes into the extended guitar solo. Horrible. Flat...out of key and he picks a few really bad notes, there. Listen at 3:20 ........3:46 .....and 3:48.


    Man Of The Hour:

    Listen for the bridge which starts a crescendo at around 2:18-2:20.

    There's this annoying high-pitched feedback that starts at a very low volume, then slowly builds and peaks at the 2:28 mark of the song's time display; then kind of subsides but lingers for another 10 seconds or so as a high frequency distortion.

    Annoying as hell! Such a beautiful song, played in an acoustically perfect venue and ruined by that:(



    Thin Air:

    Right after the first verse there's a pause (guitar break), at 0:56 on the song time display where Stone does this little riff; which leads into the next verse where Ed sings the " byzantine is reflected in our pond " verse.

    Stone completely fucks up that riff and for the most part misses it. He made what seems like a desperate effort to fill something in; then decided to just wait out the timing pace. The audience even cheers the fuck up...lol.

    Then right after the song ends, Stone actually plays the riff twice; as if to say..."See I can play it, I just fucked up...that's all" :D And Ed makes the comment about how the Hall is well known for revealing even the smallest fucks ups and that there was no way you weren't going to notice that one, lol.


    not to mention how badly offcourse "Masters of War" gets
  • eyedclaar
    eyedclaar Posts: 6,980
    deadmosquito wrote:
    not to mention how badly offcourse "Masters of War" gets


    Many, many lyrical flubs on Ed's part. Counting backwards from 25 is a bitch! BH is full of flaws but I still like it.
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  • btb002
    btb002 Posts: 183
    I don't really care much for the sound quality of the cd itself. HOWEVER!!! If you have iTunes, tune the equalizer to classical and a lot of that stuff is filtered out. :)
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  • BinFrog
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    btb002 wrote:
    I don't really care much for the sound quality of the cd itself. HOWEVER!!! If you have iTunes, tune the equalizer to classical and a lot of that stuff is filtered out. :)


    You can't really filter clipping...
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  • btb002
    btb002 Posts: 183
    BinFrog wrote:
    You can't really filter clipping...

    I know. But in my opinion, and I'm using an iPod not an exotic home listening system. A lot of the extra feedback like on WWS, can be eliminated if you just use the classical setting.

    I know, I'm a main reason for songs being the way they are. But I promise, if CDs didn't get scratched so badly in my car, I'd much rather prefer the CD. Protecting the investment after all.

    And yet, I still feel ashamed. :(
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  • pc_loadletter
    pc_loadletter Posts: 164
    moonlightdrive21 wrote:
    For all you audiophiles out there (or anyone with a good ear), you will notice that the sound on the last Pearl Jam CD (Avocado) is not so great. When you put it loud, the rockers do not sound full bodied and musical and get noisy. Makes you want to turn down the volume or look to lower the treble.

    Like many modern recordings, this Pearl Jam recording suffered from the problem described here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gmex_4hreQ

    It's really sad how much sound quality has gone to shit in the music industry. I hope Pearl Jam realizes it and does not repeat this mistake again in the future. Most of their older CD's actually have much better sound in my opinion.

    is this why a lot of people state that records sound much better than cds?
  • luvnmuzic
    luvnmuzic Posts: 18
    NMyTree wrote:
    No, not after the first chorus, after the first verse at the 0.56 mark on the song time display.

    whatever
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    pc_loadletter wrote:
    is this why a lot of people state that records sound much better than cds?

    A properly mastered (from original analogue master tapes) vinyl record, played a good turntable and system; will sound so beautiful and musical.

    There's a natural....organic warmth.....richness to a well produced/high quality pressing of vinyl.

    A well mastered and produced CD will sound absoultely wonderful, too.

    There are definitely CD versions of albums (especially by Steve Hoffman) that sound so much better than the poorly produced/poorly mastered, cheaply manufactored vinyl version. Without a doubt! I have several of them!

    Sadly, most of the vinyl records they are doing now-a-days are being taken from digital sources, anyway. Which in my opinion defeats the whole purpose of doing vinyl records!!! The only reason for doing such a thing, woulf be, if the original master analogue tapes are so severely deteriated and damaged. Then I could understand.

    You really have to look around and research what you're buying. There's always ways to find out if a record was mastered from analogue or digital.
  • gobrowns19
    gobrowns19 Posts: 1,447
    I agree with the sound on Avocado. :( As long as you're not playing it too loud it sounds pretty good. But yes, really cranked it kind of lacks, but what cd doesn't today it seems like?

    I wish I could find the article, but it was talking about how 06 had so much music recorded onto CD 'loud.'
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  • Cropduster84
    Cropduster84 Posts: 1,283
    sgossard3 wrote:
    go back to brendan o'brien! (i know exactly what you're talking about)

    Thats the last thing they want to do after the shit job he's done on Bruce's Magic....although saying that, i guess again its the mastering thats the problem.....
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  • moonlightdrive2112
    moonlightdrive2112 Posts: 15
    gobrowns19 wrote:
    ... but what cd doesn't today it seems like?

    I think that the last two John Mayer CD's (John Mayer Trio - Try and Continuum), Radioheads's "In Rainbows", and the more recent Cream Reunion concert CD are all examples of excellent sounding modern recordings. Even Tool's last CD was great. Beck's stuff is usually pretty great too.

    As far as DVD concerts, I have yet to find a DVD with better sound than Eric Clapton's "One More Car, One More Driver". If you have a nice 5.1 system, this is the DVD to use when showing it off to your friends.

    On the other hand, I found Springsteen's "Magic" (although the songs/performances are awesome IMO) and the latest Velvet Revolver CD to have a lot of the sound issues we have been talkin' about in this thread.

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